UFO Fleet 2012 Starting From Alien Moonbase

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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by Human_Alien

Originally posted by AlphaHawk
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You can't see the far side of the moon from earth.

It's tidally locked to us so we see the same side all the time. (give or take a few degrees of latitude, depending on the cycle.)
edit on 16-9-2012 by AlphaHawk because: (no reason given)



What are you talking about?????

The far (dark) side is exposed to us when it's a new Moon. The dark side appears dark to us that's why we STILL can't see it.


Why doesn't every one realize this???????????
It's so basic.
It's so simple.
It's so 5th grade-ish.

The Moon rotates but it's timed in a tidal lock so it's rotating at the same speed as it's orbiting us.

Good gawd I wish I didn't have to go into this every other month on here.
Someone please....help me to help them.

The. Moon. Rotates.





FAIL




posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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A 5 year old could figure this out.
Enough is enough.
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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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The Youtube poster has a ton of videos with the same little white specs. Isn't that enough to call it?



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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There is no reason to post these anymore.

All of these videos, no matter how many real/fake ones are posted are always going to be debunked to be "particle effect" or "ice particles in space" or "camera bug". There is really no real explanation..



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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You should all know by now that most threads posted by Human_Alien are of poor quality. Usually consisting of YouTube, or some personal blog as a source of credibility. I wouldn't chalk them up to be much.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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looks like birds to me too but what kind of birds can live in the moon?


if it's fake it's a good one.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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I suppose the only defense to hold beliefs intact is that it is fake.

I see something coming out of or from the moons surface, moving very fast and giving of light.
it looks authentic, i have heard people use the argument that you'd think astronomers would of caught something by now, is this it?

I have no idea, is it fake because it IS fake or is it fake because there is no other answer to what it is and therefore people might have to either accept or admit there is something more to it.

I am unsure which it is.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:14 PM
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If you are used to working with After Effects or Maya and are used to some standard particle effects, yes it's easy to look at these and say that. I could point to many issues with the video (for example, the zoom renders the terminator of the mood a bit blurry but the "crafts" are sharp) but after about 3 seconds of seeing the motion I can tell it's cgi. It's annoying and there might be legit videos out there, but most of what's on YouTube is manufactured. If you were used to working with these applications you'd probably conclude the same.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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These are clearly birds--if you look close you can easily see their wings flapping. Kind of strange since there is no atmosphere around the moon. Does the term hoax ring a bell?



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Particle effects in either Motion or After Effects.


Please dump this thread into the bin with the rest of hoaxes. Thanks.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:52 PM
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The OP of the closed thread made a very useful post how such UFOs can be made with Adobe After Effect, Ofc that doesn't mean there arent real objects flying around the Earth or the Moon but those are rather space junk than UFOs.. while these like in the video are SFX...



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by RoyBatty
reply to post by Patrik
 


If you are used to working with After Effects or Maya and are used to some standard particle effects, yes it's easy to look at these and say that. I could point to many issues with the video (for example, the zoom renders the terminator of the mood a bit blurry but the "crafts" are sharp) but after about 3 seconds of seeing the motion I can tell it's cgi. It's annoying and there might be legit videos out there, but most of what's on YouTube is manufactured. If you were used to working with these applications you'd probably conclude the same.


The ONLY sane way to go about this and to do research if you say:

* It can be faked easily, therefore it should be considered fake, hoax, etc.

Yes, there will always be the ones who will reply: "Yes, it could be faked, but couldn't it be legit as well?"-
But this is a philosophy which won't get you far, you will only end up with 1000s of 1000s of videos/cases which "could be faked" or "might possible be legit"..and you will likely NEVER find out whether it's a legit video or not, instead having wasted a lot of time and ignoring the REAL good cases in the process.

A "good" case or footage is where there is NO rational explanation, where there is no easy explanation or possible way to fake or CGI it. ONLY THEN you can quickly and easily eliminate the 99% of hoaxes etc. and look at the 1% remaining which are really worth investigating.

As a rule...if it can be faked, looks fake..it is very, very likely fake.

Same goes for UFO videos or ghost videos etc...i cannot take a ghost video seriously where all it would take is a piece of string to move an object and them film it - DESPITE someone claiming that the object is moved "by a ghost"..even if it would be extremely, extremely simple to make the same video using a simple piece of string.

If we want EVIDENCE or PROOF...we need to look at the video and tell ourselves what real evidence is actual on the video?

A moving piece of furniture is NOT proof for a ghost, it is a piece of moving furniture, nothing more.
A light in the sky is NOT proof for an UFO, it's only a light in the sky.

And so forth and so forth. And especially in an age where everyone with a PC can fake really good videos of all sorts, we have to raise standards and be more critical. As easy as that.
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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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Does anyone know the general area that we can look at in google maps moon?



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 06:44 PM
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i want to start a new thread but it wouldnt let me yet-- I think they are here already - I have also seen stuff through my scopes- 4 in refractor and 18 inch reflector

but this was weird

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posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by OnionHead

Originally posted by Human_Alien

Originally posted by AlphaHawk
reply to post by Human_Alien
 


You can't see the far side of the moon from earth.

It's tidally locked to us so we see the same side all the time. (give or take a few degrees of latitude, depending on the cycle.)
edit on 16-9-2012 by AlphaHawk because: (no reason given)



What are you talking about?????

The far (dark) side is exposed to us when it's a new Moon. The dark side appears dark to us that's why we STILL can't see it.


Why doesn't every one realize this???????????
It's so basic.
It's so simple.
It's so 5th grade-ish.

The Moon rotates but it's timed in a tidal lock so it's rotating at the same speed as it's orbiting us.

Good gawd I wish I didn't have to go into this every other month on here.
Someone please....help me to help them.

The. Moon. Rotates.





FAIL



the moon does rotate but it takes an entire lunar cycle(28 days) to do so- the same side faces us all the time- there is no "dark side of the moon" but there is a far side that we can only see when we send orbiting lunar satellites there-- I am an amateur astronomer and I assure you- we always see the same face of the moon...so who knows what lurks on the farside...



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by Human_Alien

Originally posted by AlphaHawk
reply to post by Human_Alien
 


You can't see the far side of the moon from earth.

It's tidally locked to us so we see the same side all the time. (give or take a few degrees of latitude, depending on the cycle.)
edit on 16-9-2012 by AlphaHawk because: (no reason given)



What are you talking about?????

The far (dark) side is exposed to us when it's a new Moon. The dark side appears dark to us that's why we STILL can't see it.


Why doesn't every one realize this???????????
It's so basic.
It's so simple.
It's so 5th grade-ish.

The Moon rotates but it's timed in a tidal lock so it's rotating at the same speed as it's orbiting us.

Good gawd I wish I didn't have to go into this every other month on here.
Someone please....help me to help them.

The. Moon. Rotates.





a new moon simply is when the face that faces us is not lit from the sun- the far side is always the far side and never visible to earth- one side faces us all the time- it is true- however there is no "dark Side" the whole moon gets sunlight- however only one side faces us- you should stop correcting people who are right and read some astronomy texts...



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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How can you post so many hoax threads and not be punished for it by now?



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 08:35 PM
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Hey Human Alien!

Some major forum sliding going on with this thread, I'm on a couple of times a day and only noticed this thread as it was linked in another thread!

If it weren't for all the Middle East scripted drama playing out and those related threads, this would be the most flagged thread of the last week or so.



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by TheLegend
How can you post so many hoax threads and not be punished for it by now?


Ya, all the chemtrail threads are hoaxes.............why do you come to a conspiracy site if you don't want to hear about conspiracies? By definition most conspiracies are difficult or impossible to prove or disprove............thus ATS. Maybe you should be punished for insignificant posts?



posted on Sep, 17 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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From where did this "original footage" originate?
How are we to know this is legitimate?
What is the source?
How do we know this isn't just CGI, which could have done this in one day?
edit on 17-9-2012 by Phenomium because: (no reason given)





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