Originally posted by PsykoOps
If you wanna do the typical "this man said so" routine go ahead. I'd expect higher standards from people but it's not like we haven't seen that before. "A retarted boy from australia said the moon landing was a hoax" is recurring theme here.

The Apollo Myth is built upon a thousand lies.

Lies, such as, Neil Armstrong's "One Small Step..." speech. Little lies.

All these little lies add up. They add up to a bigger lie. The Apollo moon landings are a lie.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Originally posted by PsykoOps
If you wanna do the typical "this man said so" routine go ahead. I'd expect higher standards from people but it's not like we haven't seen that before. "A retarted boy from australia said the moon landing was a hoax" is recurring theme here.

The Apollo Myth is built upon a thousand lies.

Lies, such as, Neil Armstrong's "One Small Step..." speech. Little lies.

All these little lies add up. They add up to a bigger lie. The Apollo moon landings are a lie.

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The landings are a lie, huh? So let me get this straight.....

Those who calculated how much combustible fuel we needed...the ones that fueled the rockets....the ones who painstakingly worked out the math to calculate what it took to leave the atmosphere ...Those who worked out the math to try to predict the speed, time and angle of re-entry for the capsule.....those who went out to fetch the capsule and the astronauts....they all lied? They all work for alien grays? Aliens of which no credible proof of their existence.....exists? Or maybe the government made it up, right?

Get effing real. People worked hard to make that happen. Just because it is beyond your limited understanding does not mean it was not possible and it did not happen.

When I recently became interested in the Alien & UFO phenomenon, I started out by watching documentaries on NetFlix.

After browsing through most of the popular UFO websites (I was just recently linked here by a friend that shares this interest), I began to notice that a lot of the things on these sites I had seen in these documentaries. What really caught my eye though were the things that I have never seen mentioned in a documentary, such as the Battle of Los Angeles in 1942, I have seen the video of that event used as the back drop of the transitional scenes in a documentary but never have a seen a documentary where they actually talk about it.

This has led me to believe that most of the books/documentaries out there are probably part of the misinformation machine. I rarely pay attention to any of the cases brought up in those any longer and instead focus on the cases that I find that are completely unheard of (my grandmother was actually born in 1942 and had never heard of the Battle of Los Angeles before I had found it and showed it to her).

Another subject I have recently become interested in is ether (sometimes referred to as Aether) physics as it is also something I have never heard mention of in any documentary, theory (disproven in the 1600s, but I find it very hard to believe that they could actually disprove it, especially since a friend has proven it to me since I have mentioned it to him) that basically explains how to circumvent the limitations of the speed of light set in Einstein's theories, which would allow our extraterrestrial visitors to be from outside of this galaxy as most believe, without having to travel through time to visit us (most disbelievers say that since they are so far away it's unlikely they would ever make it here in their lifetimes, but they base this off of OUR space exploration limitations).

Since I have brought up that my friend proved this theory for me, I'll go ahead and elaborate. He works as core support for a highly popular Internet site to their top secret research program (I'll refrain from mentioning which, but I'm sure you can assume correctly). He is not allowed, and will not tell me anything top secret sadly, and when I asked him where he got this information he said that it is a publicly available video by their founder, although I failed to get a link (will try to get the link from him and edit this thread to include it). Basically, he told me that there is a machine that they can mount onto the front of a space shuttle that "vibrates" the space in front of them in a way that creates a vacuum in front of the shuttle, where technically they're no longer in space (free from frictional forces, etc), as the vacuum closes behind the shuttle it is pushing the shuttle faster and faster forward until eventually it breaks the speed of light and judging by how he explained it to me, I'd reasonably guess, could reach an almost infinite amount of speed.

Back on topic, I completely agree with you that this guy is just out to make a quick buck and only doing actual Ufologists/normal people interested in the subject a disservice (but most likely doing our government one hell of a service). It saddens me because most likely (unless aliens decide to just land in every major city on Earth and reveal themselves to the public), we will never be able to find out the truth of the subject because there is so much misinformation being spread to throw us off the real trail...

Steven Greer is no figure head, where did you get that one from? He is a media whore and is dodgy as it gets. He won't admit his past and where is 'actually studied' which raises questions about him and who he really his. His Sirius documentary is starting to fall apart because people are starting to realise that he should not be trusted. In the UK most ufologists are ignoring him now and won't entertain him at all.

Originally posted by SkuzzleButt
is this you Jim in this video? your quite famous lol

It is me, and 'notorious' is another adjective that's been applied.

Do we have any more insight into whether the claim of 'secret Apollo-11 radio conversations' is at all credible?

Best i could tell, they originated in a story in a super market weekly tabloid, a la National Enquirer. Has anybody ever encountered a more trustworthy source?

Originally posted by Unidentified_Objective Those who calculated how much combustible fuel we needed...the ones that fueled the rockets....the ones who painstakingly worked out the math to calculate what it took to leave the atmosphere ...Those who worked out the math to try to predict the speed, time and angle of re-entry for the capsule.....those who went out to fetch the capsule and the astronauts....they all lied?

U_O, thanks for bringing what I like to call "The 400,000 Fallacy" to this thread.

There are only 12 men who walked on the moon but you want to bring all the engineers, scientists, planners, mathmeticians, all 400,000 NASA employees and contractors, etc, into the same godly realm as those 12 men? You can't do that because that's a flipping logical fallacy.

12 men and 12 men only.

One of those 12 men, Neil Armstrong, has a brother, who says Neil made up the myth about how he devised the "One small step..." speech during a game of Risk months before the launch.

But that's not what Neil said in his biography, is it?

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
... But that's not what Neil said in his biography, is it?

Sure it was -- the biography said he had several suggestions in the months leading to the flight but he didn't concentrate on picking which one until after he had actually made the landing. Seems a reasonable prioritization to me.

There are many liars about Armstrong's moon mission out there, and some near hereabouts, but Armstrong was never one of them.

Typical Greer money grab. And the allegation doesn't make sense? Armstrong is told that he has to keep quiet because, let me see if I got it, if he goes public, and makes an incredible claim that puts the integrity of the government at stake, his entire family will be killed.

Now, what exactly would killing him and his family so in that circumstance other than 100% confirm in the minds of most everyone that his claims were true.

IF the landings were faked -- there would be a huge smear campaign on anyone thought to be a risk to speak. Could the USG have it in them to try and undermine the sanity of someone in this position -- sure -- we saw a willingness to expose persons to drugs without consent in MK Ultra for example. The basis of Greer's claim doesn't make sense, and seems like an especially lazy fabrication. That's just my opinion.

Originally posted by jpkmets
...The basis of Greer's claim doesn't make sense, and seems like an especially lazy fabrication. That's just my opinion.

You've hit the core of the contradiction.

When I debated Greer at Purdue in 1999, we went out for pizza later, and actually had a pleasant time not discussing UFOs.

But towards the end of the evening I had to ask the ultimate question: "If you're right about the all-mighty conspiracy that you're exposing, why are you still alive?"

He just gazed off wistfully and replied, slowly and candidly, "I - don't - know."

An honest moment.