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Originally posted by r2d246
reply to post by randyvs
"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." Matthew 7:6
Originally posted by Murgatroid
Originally posted by MrXYZ
We know that a lot of things in the bible are scientifically incorrect. For example, we know for a FACT that a global flood never happened.
Your "FACTS" are LIES...
Here are the FACTS: "Science" is nothing but an Illuminati front used as another means of Mind Control to brainwash civilization.
Originally posted by AlreadyGone
reply to post by jiggerj
So... we agree that there is historical fact in the Bible. Our difference is that I say it is from a Jewish and Christian perspective and you say it is fiction set against a backdrop of history... thus, it is a matter of faith.
The history it is played against is fact... Herod, Ceasar, Egypt, Assyrria, etc
Another one of my favorite examples of history being found to be fact... In what was the ancient Assyrian Empire, small ancient clay tablets were found. They were receipts between the Assyrians and the Issakesseni or House of Issac... the 10 exiled tribes of the Northern Kingdom of Israel... circa 780bc.
Was it devine or just one countryy pitted against another?... leave that to faith.
Did it happen?... archeology and history say Yes.
Moses split the rock with his staff and water gushed from the rock abundantly. So the red sea wasn't the only thing being divided at the time.
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by olliemc84
How many wars do you think could have been avoided....how many lives lost do you think could have been saved if there was no "God"? You do realize that most conflicts arise during a dispute over whos "God" is better, right? Crusades, Inquisition, Spanish entering the New World,....all that over religious beliefs. So give it a rest. Here's an idea...maybe the "God" that you think created this wonderful world was a complete idiot. That makes more sense to me then what you claim "God" is.
Who are you to say who is an idiot at anytime during your short inexperienced existence ? My word and you say Christians are arrogant. Look at yourself you really are one step below humorous with your insults. I think my perspective will ring true when the bell trolls.
Back on topic If you please lest we turn this into another pantomime.edit on 21-8-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
Religion was the excuse used in order to grab land, gold, slaves...
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by randyvs
*yawn* Is it over yet?
I can, in five minutes, corroborate more facts in any of the Harry Potter stories than you could in your Bible. Because quoting the Bible does NOT count as proof that it's true.
And in case I'm unclear here, I am talking about the Biblical conversations. I couldn't care less about the rest...it's the dialogue that's important. And you can't prove a single word of those really important conversations actually happened.edit on 21-8-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Nice that you're claiming science for God when most other religious nuts decry it as the work of Satan. I have to say, I think you'd have had a more appreciative audience had you created a thread that was less strident and super smug as this thread is. The shark wasn't so much jumped as flown over Dukes of Hazzard-style the minute you started calling anyone who didn't kiss your ass in this thread crackpot trolls. Being a huge history fan, I'd have really appreciated a serious, informative and educational thread like the title promises. Whether I believe in God or not, I'd have lapped it right up. Instead, you've just created a self-indulgent mess that proves nothing. While I'm hugely disappointed, it's always good to know the posters whose threads I should avoid in future, safe in the knowledge that I'm not missing anything.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by DeadSeraph
What was my agenda?
I have watched every debate Craig has on Youtube as well already
I posted something on topic. Hitchens discusses historical accuracy in that video clip... That's the topic no?
If you want to illustrate key points from that debate you just posted I will gladly partake. I actually like Craig... but I don't think he "won" the debate.edit on 22-8-2012 by Lucid Lunacy because: (no reason given)
Hitchens is clearly biased. I replied in kind with another video to present a more balanced position (that being 2 very different view points, as opposed to one singular view point which corroborates your own).
It's refreshing to know that you have at the very least, sought to dig deep on the issue of whether or not God exists.
Unfortunately I feel this is not the issue of the OP (and Hitchens tended to let his emotions cloud his views by making emotional appeals to his audiences to stress his views).
I feel the OP is in regards to the historical validity of the bible.
(The bible is most certainly NOT a history book), many parts of the bible ARE confirmed by archaeology.