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The Living Bible is a History Book

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posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:22 PM
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...ah, thank you. You just reminded me why my head hurts so badly.




posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by Murgatroid

Originally posted by MrXYZ
We know that a lot of things in the bible are scientifically incorrect. For example, we know for a FACT that a global flood never happened.


Your "FACTS" are LIES...

Here are the FACTS: "Science" is nothing but an Illuminati front used as another means of Mind Control to brainwash civilization.


By their very definition facts can't be lies


And when I said it's a FACT that a global flood never happened, that's what I meant. There is ZERO geological evidence for a global flood, and an event of that magnitude would leave evidence behind. Also, today's biodiversity wouldn't be possible if just a few thousand years all but 2 of each species would have died. And lastly, there isn't enough water on earth to submerge everything in the first place.

In short, a global flood simply never happened and you'd have to be incredibly brainwashed to ignore that FACT.

Local floods, sure...global floods, not a chance.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by Murgatroid

Originally posted by MrXYZ
We know that a lot of things in the bible are scientifically incorrect. For example, we know for a FACT that a global flood never happened.


Your "FACTS" are LIES...

Here are the FACTS: "Science" is nothing but an Illuminati front used as another means of Mind Control to brainwash civilization.


LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes. And religion doesn't brainwash people. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thanks for the laugh. That may be the funniest thing I have ever read.

Religious people are insane...



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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They are also fighting a losing battle because objective evidence and facts are on the side of science.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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Watched the video, you claim proves that Moses parted the Red Sea. It doesn't.

The first half of it concentrated on the far reaching premise that Joseph, the son of Jacob, was Imhotep. Egyptian history doesn't support that claim.


Imhotep may have been born in Ankhtowë, a suburb of Memphis early in Egyptian history. However, other classical writers suggested that he was from the village of Gebelein, south of ancient Thebes. His father might have been an architect named Kanofer. His mother could have been Khreduonkh, who probably belonged to the province of Mendes, and he may have had a wife named Ronfrenofert but none of this is by any means certain. As a commoner at birth, he rose through the ranks quickly due to his genius, natural talents and dedication.
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Even though Imhoteps' family origins it isn't certain, there is no claim that he was brought to Egypt as a slave by the Ismaelites, as the Bible suggests of Joseph.

Imhoteps was know for his medical texts. Biblical Joseph is not credited with any sort of healing or medical talents whatsoever.



Imhotep's best known writings were medical text. As a physician, Imhotep is believed to have been the author of the Edwin Smith Papyrus in which more than 90 anatomical terms and 48 injuries are described. He may have also founded a school of medicine in Memphis, a part of his cult center possibly known as "Asklepion, which remained famous for two thousand years. All of this occurred some 2,200 years before the Western Father of Medicine Hippocrates was born.

Sir William Osler tells us that Imhotep was the:

"..first figure of a physician to stand out clearly from the mists of antiquity." Imhotep diagnosed and treated over 200 diseases, 15 diseases of the abdomen, 11 of the bladder, 10 of the rectum, 29 of the eyes, and 18 of the skin, hair, nails and tongue. Imhotep treated tuberculosis, gallstones, appendicitis, gout and arthritis. He also performed surgery and practiced some dentistry. Imhotep extracted medicine from plants. He also knew the position and function of the vital organs and circulation of the blood system. The Encyclopedia Britannica says, "The evidence afforded by Egyptian and Greek texts support the view that Imhotep's reputation was very respected in early times. His prestige increased with the lapse of centuries and his temples in Greek times were the centers of medical teachings."



Clearly the Biblical character, Joseph and Imhotep are 2 different people.

Also, the first half of the video you present concerns itself with assuming the Moses was Senmut, and later referred to as Tutmosis II. Egyptian records do not validate that argument either.


Senmut (sometimes written Senenmut) was the son of Ramose and Hatnofret. Senmut's maternal grand-mother is known to be a lady named Sat-Djehuty. Senmut had several brothers: Amenemhet (Priest of the Barque of Amun), Min-hotep (Priest of Amun), and Pairi (Overseer of the Cattle). And he also had at least two sisters: Ah-hotep and Nofret-hor. His parents were reburied in Senmut's tomb. Senmut had two tombs in Thebes: TT71 and TT353.
euler.slu.edu...

Senenmut was of low commoner birth, born to literate provincial parents, Ramose and Hatnofer (or "Hatnefret") from Iuny (modern Armant). Senenmut is known to have had 3 brothers—Amenemhet, Minhotep and Pairy—and 2 sisters—Ahhotep and Nofrethor respectively. However, only Minhotep is named outside chapel TT71 and tomb TT353 in an inventory on the lid of a chest found in the burial chamber of Ramose and Hatnofer.[3] More information is known about Senenmut than many other non-royal Egyptians because the joint tomb of his parents (the construction of which Senemut supervised himself) was discovered intact by the Metropolitan Museum in the mid-1930s and preserved. Christine Meyer has offered compelling evidence to show that Senenmut was a bachelor for his entire life: for instance, Senenmut is portrayed alone with his parents in the funerary stelae of his tombs; he was depicted alone, rather than with a wife, in the vignette of Chapter 110 from the Book of the Dead in tomb 353 and, finally, it was one of Senenmut's own brothers, and not one of his sons, who was charged with the execution of Senenmut's funerary rites.
www.touregypt.net...


Not the history Moses!


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posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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Tutmoses II is not Senmut, as your video suggests, and can't be Moses either. The history doesn't match.


Thutmose II (sometimes read as Thutmosis, or Tuthmosis II and meaning Born of Thoth, probably pronounced during his lifetime as Djhutymose) was the fourth Pharaoh of the Eighteenth dynasty of Egypt. He built some minor monuments and initiated at least two minor campaigns but did little else during his rule and was probably strongly influenced by his wife, Hatshepsut. His reign is generally dated from 1493 to 1479 BC. Thutmose II's body was found in the Deir el-Bahri Cache above the Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut and can be viewed today in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.


According to Bible, Moses died in the wilderness, and his grave never was found.


So Moses went up from the plain where the people were camping by the Jordan, to the top of Mount Nebo. Pisgah seems to be another name for Nebo, perhaps for the top of Nebo. It was opposite Jericho, across the meadows and the Jordan. From there the Lord showed Moses the land, to the north and west and south, where the tribes would soon find their homes. It was a wonderful view -the land which the Lord had promised to the people, to which he had been leading them; the good land of hills and valleys watered by the rain of heaven, the land of springs and streams, of wheat and vines and olives. "A land which the Lord thy God careth for. The eyes of the Lord thy God are always upon it, from the beginning of the year even unto the, end of the year." (Dent. 11:12) The land was so blessed because it was a picture of heaven.

So Moses died in the mountain, in the Lord's care, and his grave was not known to anyone. He was old, but clear of sight and strong. The people mourned for Moses thirty days.
www.swedenborgdigitallibrary.org...


The fact that most archaeologists deny that Hebrews were ever slaves in Egypt, and doubt the Exodus story in the first place, doesn't help the case for proof of Moses parting the Red Sea.

You video is bad science and a really bad attempt to credit Biblical characters with, and to usurp the contribution of real historic people.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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The fact that most archaeologists deny that Hebrews were ever slaves in Egypt, and doubt the Exodus story in the first place


Where's your sources for this?



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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The fact that most archaeologists deny that Hebrews were ever slaves in Egypt, and doubt the Exodus story in the first place


Where's your sources for this?


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We know the exodus story didn't take place as told in the bible because the numbers simply don't stack up. Using the numbers in the bible it would equal 75% of all people in Egypt living at that time to take the trek...which of course is nonsense.

It's simple really...the bible is proof of what people back then BELIEVED, and NOT what really happened. Given how much in the bible is demonstrably wrong, it would be silly to consider it historically (or scientifically) accurate.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:54 PM
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It's pretty simple really. The old testament is just a Hebrew adaptation to the ancient myths and folktales in Mesopotamia. Epic of Gilgamesh gets a redux and Hammurabi's laws turns into the Ten Commandments.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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Sorry, I should have addressed that better.


The consensus among biblical scholars today is that there was never any exodus of the proportions described in the Bible,[12] and that the story is best seen as theology, a story illustrating how the god of Israel acted to save and strengthen his chosen people, and not as history.[13] Nevertheless, the discussion of the historical reality of the exodus has a long history, and continues to attract attention.

Archaeology
A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[22] and most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit".[11] A number of theories have been put forward to account for the origins of the Israelites, and despite differing details they agree on Israel's Canaanite origins.[25] The culture of the earliest Israelite settlements is Canaanite, their cult-objects are those of the Canaanite god El, the pottery remains in the local Canaanite tradition, and the alphabet used is early Canaanite, and almost the sole marker distinguishing the "Israelite" villages from Canaanite sites is an absence of pig bones, although whether even this is an ethnic marker or is due to other factors remains a matter of dispute.[26] There is archeological evidence of the Caananite Hyksos people moving into and out of northern Egypt, though the relation of their dates to the biblical account is debated by scholars.

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Some historians have been attracted by the name of the store-city Raamses built by the Israelites before the Exodus. They have drawn connections to the best known Pharaoh of that name, Ramses II, or Ramses the Great, and set the Exodus around his time, roughly 1134 BCE (g.a.d. 1300 BCE [2]). In order to do this, they had to reduce the time between the Exodus and the destruction of the Temple by 180 years, which they did by reinterpreting the 480 years between the Exodus and the building of the Temple (I Kings 6:1) as twelve generations of forty years. By "correcting" the Bible and setting a generation equal to twenty five years, these imaginary twelve generations become 300 years.

Aside from the fact that such "adjustments" of the biblical text imply that the Bible cannot be trusted, in which case there is no reason to accept that there ever was an Exodus, Ramses II was a conqueror second only to Thutmose III. And as in the case of Thutmose III, the Egyptian records make it clear that nothing even remotely resembling the Exodus happened anywhere near his time of history.

We appear to be at a standstill. The only options are to relegate the Exodus to the status of myth, or to conclude that there is something seriously wrong with the generally accepted dates for Egyptian history.


www.starways.net...




posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by DeadSeraph

Originally posted by SplitInfinity

Originally posted by windword
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I have read the Bible from cover t cover, a few times. It doesn't scare me nor do I find profound truth coursing through it.


Although I respect anyone's Religious Beliefs we are debating here and there are many Mistranslations in the Bible such as Moses did not part the RED SEA....He and his people crossed the REED SEA...a Marshy Tidal Area near the Med and as Low Tide occurred...they crossed and as the Egyptian Army chased them...the Egyptians were caught as the tide came in and swamped their chariots. THIS is the actual Translation of the original text and the Various Leaders including the Vatican are aware of this and have admitted as much but have not changed the Bible as giving the reason that even though the text was not properly translated...we feel a change of the Bible at this time could confuse the Faithful. This is but ONE of MANY instances in the Bible that are not true events. Split Infinity


NOT true events?


Oh ya see it's like this.... SplitInfinity .. is actually a time traveller. He actually has a time machine and bounces around. that's why he knows it was a reed sea. He's also a bible scholar with a dortoral in theology so he can carefully explain to all of us the translations. He knows greek latin and hebrew so to him it's like reading a kids book. ....duh


I say it was exactly as described.and the underwater land bridge at Nuweiba Egypt is where God brought the ground up to the surface so the people would have a bridge to go across as well as parting the water. If he didn't bring the ground up to the surface and just parted the water they'd still have the task as great as climbing down to the bottom of the grand canyon, then back up again when they reached the other side. This way they could walk straight across. Besides most these arguments are completely pointless, I believe because if you're eyes (or spirit) isn't open to the truth then no amount of explanation or proof will be enough. People always throw out these arguments that the bibles transalations has changed over the years. It's such a lie. It's been completely accurate since day one, with no changes or alterations what so ever in the JKV.
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posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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I believe


That's all you needed to say. Belief doesn't explain gravity, facts do.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
By their very definition facts can't be lies


Nor can LIES be FACTS...


I suppose you did notice the quotes surrounding the word "FACTS"


They are also fighting a losing battle because objective evidence and facts are on the side of science.


The real mystery to me is that people actually believe the people hiding behind this deception called "Science", when in reality there's nothing but fraud behind it.

The stealth Luciferian agenda is SO obvious but people don't see it because they have believed LIE after LIE!:


"One excellent example of cover-up that still has tremendous political implications is in what the Bible says about Abraham. In the early 20th century experts in the field of archaeology insisted that no civilization even existed in UR of the Chaldeans when the Bible records that Abraham lived there. On the basis that no evidence was currently available they declared Abraham a mythical character.

20th century evidence however has proven beyond any question the existence of an advanced civilization in UR of the Chaldeans during the 21st and 20th centuries B.C. That was Abraham's day! Abraham's historicity is also confirmed by ancient inscriptions that bear the names of almost very town mentioned in Ch. 12-14 of Genesis and one even has his father's name. Archeological discoveries also show these towns were in existence until about 2,000 B.C.- but not later!"

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posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by Murgatroid

Originally posted by MrXYZ
By their very definition facts can't be lies


Nor can LIES be FACTS...


I suppose you did notice the quotes surrounding the word "FACTS"


They are also fighting a losing battle because objective evidence and facts are on the side of science.


The real mystery to me is that people actually believe the people hiding behind this deception called "Science", when in reality there's nothing but fraud behind it.

The stealth Luciferian agenda is SO obvious but people don't see it because they have believed LIE after LIE!:


"One excellent example of cover-up that still has tremendous political implications is in what the Bible says about Abraham. In the early 20th century experts in the field of archaeology insisted that no civilization even existed in UR of the Chaldeans when the Bible records that Abraham lived there. On the basis that no evidence was currently available they declared Abraham a mythical character.

20th century evidence however has proven beyond any question the existence of an advanced civilization in UR of the Chaldeans during the 21st and 20th centuries B.C. That was Abraham's day! Abraham's historicity is also confirmed by ancient inscriptions that bear the names of almost very town mentioned in Ch. 12-14 of Genesis and one even has his father's name. Archeological discoveries also show these towns were in existence until about 2,000 B.C.- but not later!"

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Your "source" is garbage! Why? Because even if a village was accurately described in the bible it still wouldn't prove the other claims about Abraham.

Harry Potter does a pretty good job at describing London...but that doesn't mean people finding that book in 2k years should believe we flew around on brooms


And as I said, there's TONS of stuff in the bible that is DEMONSTRABLY WRONG...not just unproven. That global flood is a great example, or the claim that humans just popped up as they are today and then procreated from 2 specimen. We know for a FACT that those things are wrong.

The thing is, instead of posting real evidence that your claims are true, you simply keep on screaming your "omgomg, it's a conspiiiiiiiiiiracy!". I suggest you dig up some real evidence or admit your belief is just that..a belief...one not backed up by objective evidence.

Also, I have to ask...when you need a doctor, do you go see a car mechanic instead? Because that's how you seem to conduct your "research". Here's the front page of the "historic source" you linked:



ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
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posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
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They are also fighting a losing battle because objective evidence and facts are on the side of science.


A losing battle ? X you are only imagining a battle. As for this discussion you are still imagining something that isn't happening.



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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Here is a link to back up everything Murgatroid is
saying. I made it myself special for this occasion..



posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 03:16 PM
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Yes, but have they managed to locate Nazareth?



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