Arab Spring run amok: 'Brotherhood' starts crucifixions

Who in thier right mind didn't see this coming from the beginning?

Originally posted by Yosemite Sam
Who in thier right mind didn't see this coming from the beginning?

Most people I think DID see acts like this being a huge probability (I don't know if its been 100% confirmed as true yet), many people expect no less from these Shariah driven Radicals, no inhuman act is off the table with these barbaric animals.

Be careful before you damn me, I have made it clear its RADICALS WHO FOLLOW SHARIAH who I blame on these things. Many very nice and normal ordinary Muslims live amongst the world very peacefully and have done for a huge period of time, these are NOT the radicals I speak of, Radicals are not hard to detect, most are quite versed in threatening to cut your throat should you dare say something that offends them and boy are they very easily offended.

Fine them for bring books back to the library late and you watch the heads start rolling...

Ok, I jest but THAT is what people think when you hear Radical Islam or look at the Middle East in places where Radical Islam is in place, violence and bloodshed...

And may I say it quite disgusts me that Obama has so entrenched himself with these people, I know the saying "keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer" but this is staggeringly dangerous.

He seems to delight in dealing / absorbing known Radicals into his cabinet or keep them as 'allies' according to him yet we all know they despise the American way.

Its so blatant there are days when I wonder just who Obama is playing for especially when he starts making top secret military procedure and tactics common knowledge, putting the countries assets in danger for whatever reason.

Very odd...

He IS far more radical then most are capable of seeing. If he gets another 4 years, this country will be nothing any of us can recognise as the country we grew up in.

reply to post by Yosemite Sam

Who in thier right mind didn't see this coming from the beginning?

The same people that tried to confirm this before they rushed to judgment.

The crucifixions didn't happen.

Ronald Reagan said it best when he said: "Trust.....but verify.".

Originally posted by cyoshi
I hope no one thinks this bigot is typical of Australia....honestly mate you are a disgrace to humanity, and your attitude is what helps to make this world hard to live in. I wouldn't shed a tear if you got stuck in the desert.....yuck!

No offense mate, but like many politically correct hand wringers who defend Islam, you clearly know little to nothing about Islam.

You probably don't even know the difference between the Koran and the Hadith, yet here you are, defending what you don't understand and insulting people while you are at it.

Koran 9:29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Koran

Muhammad instructs Muslims to dominate non-Muslims by force.

Hadith Muslim 20:4681

"The gates of Paradise are under the shadows of the swords."

Muhammad

Hadith Muslim

Muhammad stated the above in a lull during one of his many battles in which he spread Islam by the sword.

Allah's Apostle said:

"I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshiped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 24

The Koran demands 91 times that Muslims imitate Mohammed in every way.

Statistical Islam

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 25

Muhammad tells his followers that jihad is second only to believing in Allah.


Muhammad, was a military warlord who spread Islam by the sword. He practiced what he preached - he conquered the Arabian peninsula before he died.

Muhammad

• Fought 8 major battles,
• Led 18 raids,
• Planned another 38 military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction.

HistoryNet

Muhammad was a man of violence. He told his followers to conquer and subjugate non-Muslims as he did himself.

Luckily, most Muslims choose to ignore Muhammad's instructions to spread Islam by the sword. A dangerous minority do not.

Originally posted by paradiselost333
another win for the cia.

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man why dont those intelligence guys use whats in there name..

Coz it's the Counter Intelligewnce Agancy: That means there's nothing Intelligent about what they do!

reply to post by ollncasino


Sadly like all religions Islam is at odds with itself in the Koran, I can't remember the verses at the moment but it actually says to look at other religions and to not kill innocents and then it defines all as kuffar who don't follow it.

Personally I detest religions and have my reasons for this, I don't begrudge some one their faith but faith for me means a pleasant non threatening peaceful existence which Radical Islam is clearly NOT. And just as sadly they follow these man made hadiths and other man made laws / guidance (make that strict law) which differ from the words of the book.

Even the Muslim community get their words wrong, Jihad isn't a word for Islamic allowed killing, it technically means struggle / resistance, I hear some of these young fools around here going on about joining Allahs Jihad and the original text was meant to say join his struggle to be something through Islam.

Now its taken as instant blood shed..

Don't get me wrong, I detest Radical Islam, these Wuhabbists and their 3rd world ways and views disgust me, violence being their answer to every thing, if you don't like it burn it down and destroy it. It amazes me how they managed to get this nonsense as far as it has but people must not make the mistake of taking these people as mad men or uneducated thugs, while many are that exactly they are carefully moved and brainwashed by the Saudi empire.

They have learnt how to play the game, to feign democracy and to use it as a weapon against those they despise and we must be wary of that, they have a law that allows them to appear to get along with the enemy and lie as long as its going to push the Radical cause and put Islam in charge.

It is my opinion that the White House either is working towards or has achieved some sort of secret pact with the Muslim Brotherhood with regard to Israel and surrounding territories and is strategically aligned with the US interests and that's why this crap is being ignored by the West.

There is something bigger going on and perhaps for the first time, it gets all of the US government interests in a row. Hard to say though. Just a hunch.

when bush and company hit iraq, they neglected to secure sadams weapons, and well of course, our "enemies" didn't neglect to check them out, find them ungaurded and pick themselves up some new guns and ammo!!

my theory is this......
the ptb know that strong religious institutions aligned with them (who cares what religion they are preaching) can be a great help when it comes to controlling the people. so, they are more inclined to want those strong authoritarian groups (a little brutality is advantagous) in control and aligned with them. so, well, we got the chirstian right pushing for their agendas to be gov't policies, we got the jewish right actively pushing, and we got the islamic hardliners working in that direction.
let's face it, we have done more to help these hardliners in the islamic faith get control that we have to put them under control!!! so much so, that I would have to say, they can't be that dumb!! it's planned....
who cares what the religion is, just as long as they can help the ptb subjugate the masses enough to allow tpb to do their will without so many headaches!!!

The signs you are looking for are coming down as outlined in Matthew 24. THE generation that sees Israel become a nation is the last generation before Christ rules the Earth. Before this happens, we will see the Tables of the Moneychangers turned over. This has happened. The Bankers previously held peace together with money. The 3 Billion Hillary gave is an example.

The next sign is that the benches of the ones selling doves are overturned. Do the peacemakers have any rest? No, their money is failing them. Debt is what they have left.

These two acts were the first things Jesus did when entering the temple on Passover. This was symbolic of what would happen when the fig tree finally blooms. Mark my words, the Fig tree has been blooming since 1948. One generation is the precession of the Earth divided by the circle. 26000 years divided by 360 is 72.2222. Jesus said the days would be cut short. We can safely take this number to the Hebrew traditional generation of 70 years, 10 years for each day of life in a symbolic week. 1948 + 70 is 2018. Subtract 7 years for tribulation and you see clearly. The end of 2012 is the start of a 3.5 year march to the Antichrist being revealed. Watch for a soon coming peace plan. This is a mystery, so I could be wrong.

Lastly, we see this happening:

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

What you see in Egypt and elsewhere is reflective of what is coming. Posts like this is spreading the word that Christ has a Gospel. This word is networking across the globe thanks to websites like this. The Gospel of Christ is the message from the messenger to Islam. He has a Gospel and when known, it reveals that the Quran is the book of judgment for the unbeliever. Who is this? The radical Muslims themselves.

If they fail to love their brother Israel and their neighbor the Christians, they have taken the name of God in vain. Taking the name requires the character. This character is love. I assume there are many Muslims who know the true Christ and are hiding it in their hearts.

Finally, what is the ONE thing that will bring all three together: Christians, Muslims and Jews? Christ appearing. What happens to the NWO when we are all unified in truth?

When faith becomes a unified fact, the Earth will be changed in a day; in a moment; in a twinkling of an eye. Not by might. Not by strength. It's by the Spirit appearing. Nothing ore. Christ will reign and the Earth will once again bloom like a flower.

would that be enoch powell ? enochwasright?

"Christ will reign and the Earth will once again bloom like a flower. "

yeah yeah , sounds just like "Allah will reign and earth will once again bloom like a flower...."

so all religions want to be the ruler eh?

how does this happen without a struggle or jihad?jihad meaning struggle or resistance.....

"I assume there are many Muslims who know the true Christ and are hiding it in their hearts. "......
Really! I could say there are many Christians who know the true Allah and are hiding it in their hearts..."
It doesnt necessarily mean its true.....

the bible also has gospels promoting war or an eye for an eye does it not?or promoting that you do not deny the lord even in the darkest struggle with non believers?

reply to post by sheepslayer247

And it really doesn't change the problem - being that our administration supports these radicals.

Really? Did Obama come out and say to the White House Press Core: "I support the MB and the crucifixion of people that disagree with them."? It's hard to sell me on the idea that Obama is supporting "radicals", when the entire story may be fake! The entire argument hinges on potential lie.

Perhaps, if you paid better attention to the reality of what is happening, you would know that the White House is very close to the MB.

The White House spokesman said “we have broadened our engagement” by hosting the Islamist group that seeded al Qaeda and Hamas, praises Iran’s Hezbollah, and will transform Egypt into a Shari’a compliant state that seeks Israel’s destruction and creates a new terrorist sanctuary.

White House huddles with Muslim Brotherhood

The White House is downplaying the significance of a meeting between administration officials and envoys from Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood this week.

White House downplays meeting with Muslim Brotherhood

The Obama administration is defending its decision to meet with members of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood earlier this week.

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney called the meeting "the appropriate and right thing to do.”

"The kind of engagement that we are participating in with Egypt and with its post-revolution leadership and with the emerging political actors on the scene is the right way to enhance our bilateral relationship," he said Thursday.

White House meets with Muslim Brotherhood

President Barack Obama has invited Egypt's newly elected Islamist president Mohamed Morsi to the US, it emerged on Sunday as Washington pledged a "new partnership" with the Arab nation.

The move reflects attempts by the White House to cultivate new ties between Washington and the country's ruling Islamists following the recent election.

Mohamed Morsi to visit US as White House pledges 'new partnership'

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton arrived in Cairo on Saturday, in what will be the first meeting of a U.S. official with newly-elected President Mohamed Morsi, Egyptian state media reported.

She also delivered U.S. President Barack Obama’s invitation to Morsi to visit the United States next September.

Clinton delivers invitation for Morsi to visit US in September

The cozy relationship between the United States government and the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood should be cause for concern both to Americans and to Israelis. U.S. lawmakers are calling for an investigation into President Barack Obama's administration to determine whether some associations with Islamists could be detrimental to the security of the United States.

Morsi, whose first official state visit was to Saudi Arabia, is expected to get needed financial aid to help Egypt's ailing economy. He also welcomes U.S. aid, but not in a way that will interfere with his ideology. Obama seems to be ignoring this fact, hoping that U.S. influence will work in Egypt. He recently invited Morsi to visit him in September.

Obama Administration Draws Closer to Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood

Egypt's "full transition to civilian rule," long sought by the Obama administration, has finally come to fruition. But it is neither liberal nor democratic.

On Sunday, having purged top military officials, Muslim Brotherhood veteran and new President Mohammed Morsi issued a sweeping constitutional declaration. It grants him complete executive and legislative power, plus the authority to select the writers of Egypt's new constitution. Eighteen months after Hosni Mubarak's ouster, Egypt has a new dictator—and the way in which Mr. Morsi grabbed power says much about what he will do with it.

Egypt's New President Moves Against Democracy

Have we put to rest any question about wqhere Obama stands, here?

deny ignorance

jw

reply to post by jdub297


By no means has anyone's concerns with which our President stands on issues regarding the Muslim Brotherhood been overlooked. But there is more at a stake and going on for the Region and the occupying powers that are forming than most war hawks and nay sayers want to admit. There does indeed need to be some checks and balances within the White House and it's strategies though.

reply to post by jdub297


Obama and the MB are all buddy-buddy aren't they?

Ever heard of diplomacy with other nations when it may be advantageous to US interests? This is the same fit the NeoCons threw when Obama had the rapper 'Common' at the WH. You guys get outraged at everything but never stop to think how weak your argument is.

By the way, those crucifixions happen yet, or are we still waiting for that to happen?

Deny ignorance? You're the one basing your entire argument on something that never happened....is that ignorance or just wishful thinking?

Originally posted by Flint2011
reply to post by jdub297

 

By no means has anyone's concerns with which our President stands on issues regarding the Muslim Brotherhood been overlooked. But there is more at a stake and going on for the Region and the occupying powers that are forming than most war hawks and nay sayers want to admit. There does indeed need to be some checks and balances within the White House and it's strategies though.

edit on 8-19-2012 by Flint2011 because: Typos

The problem is that Obama's shift from forward-thining stategy to Islamic appeasement has cost us opportunities to at least maintain a stabilizing presence, if not influence the processes; instead of swing toward one extreme or the other.

When Obama went to Cairo, his stated agenda was to cater to Muslims; " ... I’ve come here ... to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world ... ."
www.thedailybeast.com...

Since then, we've abandoned a burgeoning opposition in Iran (2009 elections), dithered in Egypt (1st calling for Mubarak to step down, then calling for "orderly transition), abandoned Iraq to looming civil war, done nothing in Syria except promise aid to others providing direct aid), watches Yemen struggle to keep from going backwards, and opened negotiations with the Taliban, leding to civil war there, too after 2014.

Where is the coherence? Where are our interests in regional stability being protected?

jw

reply to post by sheepslayer247

You're the one basing your entire argument on something that never happened....is that ignorance or just wishful thinking?

Get over your naysaying, or move on.
T&Cs require posting into "Breaking Alternative News to follow the subject article, as published; not as you would like it to be.
Has anyone read those to you? Like the part that says an article's title must be quoted verbatim?

I've given links, alternative sources and photos or links to video.

Regardless of whether you believe the foreign reports from Egypt, the truth is that:
Mosri has assumed power he said he wouldn't,
has removed military leadership from control of the military,
is selecting his own parliament and writing the new constitution himself
all after vowing during the election tht his administration would be 100% Sharia.

His most fervent supporters have beaten opposition press, closed opposition media, and called for the punishment, including torture and crucifixion, of opposition and Christians.

When foreign media/press reported confirmation of and action upon those threats, it got posted.

deny ignorance

jw

reply to post by sheepslayer247

Ever heard of diplomacy with other nations when it may be advantageous to US interests?

Please describe the advanteges in allowing the Iranian opposition to be crushed.

What did we gain by calling for Mubarak's ouster, then backing off and calling for "orderly transition?"

What have we gained so far in Syria?

And things are just going swimmingly in Iraq today, except for the daily or more often bombings, aren't they?

What is the advantage in negotiating with the Taliban while they brag about infiltration and kill our trainers soldiers?

deny ignorance

jw

reply to post by jdub297

Get over your naysaying, or move on.

How am I being a naysayer? Because I point out the fact, as have many others, that THIS DID NOT HAPPEN?

You posted all kinds of links to pics and videos but not one of them show a crucifixion as stated in the OP. Then you want to give me some crap about T&C? It looks as though you are the one trying to divert attention from the fact that nothing in the OP can be confirmed....at all.

Regardless of whether you believe the foreign reports from Egypt, the truth is that: Mosri has assumed power he said he wouldn't, has removed military leadership from control of the military, is selecting his own parliament and writing the new constitution himself all after vowing during the election tht his administration would be 100% Sharia.

Ok even if that is all true, I am sticking to the topic that you brought to our attention in the OP.

That topic is crucifixions in Egypt.

If you didn't want to talk about crucifixions specifically , then why did you post this instead of creating an thread about the "atrocities" in Egypt?

And you can say "deny ignorance" all you want. It does not in any way add validity to your OP, nor does it change the fact that you are purposefully changing the subject.

Deny ignorance? I say accept reality.

ETA: I have been doing some searching on the interwebs, reading forums and opinions on this false story.

Funny enough, the very links, videos and comments you and others on this thread have posted match exactly what these other sites and forum posts have been saying. Some of the comments are verbatim.

Looks as though we have been part of an orchestrated disinformation campaign. Are you part of this, or are you going to break the cycle and address the issue finally?

reply to post by sheepslayer247

How am I being a naysayer? Because I point out the fact, as have many others, that THIS DID NOT HAPPEN?

The problem here is that you're trying to prove a negative - which is very difficult to do.

The other problem is that you are basing this around crucifixion. The attacks did happen - people were killed. Exactly how is up for debate, and I'm sure we can all agree it happened in a number of different ways. The subject method of crucifixion is, actually, not all that uncommon in this part of the world - and its occurrence is not seen as being symbolic to any religion.

So, what you are effectively saying is: "Oh, all of your arguments about the Muslim Brotherhood are just silly because they didn't kill anyone by crucifying them."

If you didn't want to talk about crucifixions specifically , then why did you post this instead of creating an thread about the "atrocities" in Egypt?

Because the way the forum works, when you come across a news article, the headline must be part of your thread title. That's part of the rules.

Then, when others try to say it didn't happen - you are going to counter the argument. Which is going to bias the entire discussion toward the subject of crucifixions - as that's the buzz-word that everyone focuses on.

Looks as though we have been part of an orchestrated disinformation campaign. Are you part of this, or are you going to break the cycle and address the issue finally?

All I see is the usual - media outlets copy each other verbatim and the discussions ultimately link back to a few sites that make their own links.

It's classic node architecture common in any natural system.

You'll find the same phenomena with any news story. I'll pick two events I was personally close to - the USNS Rappahannock incident and the DDG 78 USS Porter incident. You see the exact same pattern of citing and discussion. And it's interesting to see what people get right and what people get wrong.

At this point - I'm willing to bet that people were beaten and mutilated to death and a few of them pinned to a tree afterward (classic "head on a stake" behavior). This later ended up being interpreted as crucifixion (as true crucifixion can take several hours to longer than a day).

Either way - when our nation's leadership is giving such groups aid and trying to make the argument that they are secular and peaceful groups... there's cause for concern.