Arab Spring run amok: 'Brotherhood' starts crucifixions

'Death fatwa' for protesters against Muslim Brotherhood

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Originally posted by RimDaas
How come no Media source besides this website provides information? I'm tired of you guys providing obscure and unreliable news sources from conspiracy sites.
And please, this is the EGYPTIAN people's revolution. They should have a say in what THEY want. I suggest if you think what they are doing is wrong, you should go to Egypt and start spewing some anti-Islamic, anti-Arab, anti-everything-to-do-with-the-Middle-East propaganda you spew on this website.

Regardless of source, the story will not change just because you don't want to believe the words of someone different from yourself.

Sometimes, the crazy guy on the corner who says the government/police/aliens are out to get us is right. When a couple of bystanders or neighbors corroborate him, the story gains more credibility. Then someone shows a picture taken or an audio or written record turns up; and, it turns out the "crazy guy" was a prophet after all.

Sorry you are trapped in a country/ideology that doesn't allow you to consider sources freely. I check sources around the world daily. I do not limit myself to the "trusted media." It is not difficult in the US to avail oneself to sites and sources of various and competing information; our only limits are the ones we create for ourselves.

I gather from your statements that you did not see or do not believe the photos and videos that are coming out of the area.

jw

reply to post by Aim64C

The support this administration has offered the "Arab spring" and the Muslim Brotherhood is quite different. It's overt, social in nature (as opposed to providing munitions and strategic advisers), and coming from the political world rather than the world of intelligence (pun not necessarily intended but enjoyable).

In the past ... contact would be severed and attempts to neutralize would be made. This is not the case we currently see.

Which makes me wonder, quite seriously, if there isn't some pro-sharia agenda being pushed by the administration (at least abroad).

WONDERFUL pun/observation! This is definitely a political strategy, although not made expressly so; it is done mostly by tacit approval and accomodation.

It will be intersting to see what is "officially" said in advance of and in connection with Mursi's upcoming visit to the White House. It will be equally intersting what is NOT said.

jw

Originally posted by imod02
Why is it that people who shout Allahu Akbar after they do some unspeakable thing think that God likes them more, and why do they think that shouting Allahu Akbar gives them the right to do it

I've had realtives deployed to the region since Desert Storm, and they are united in their assessment that these are a savage minority, guided by the writings and laws of ancient nomads. Thier beliefs and customs accept literal adoption and interpretations of lifestyles and practices that applied to primitive cultures living in the desert 2500 years ago. Those things that worked then may not apply now for the majority of Christians, Jews, Muslims, et c.; but for an empowered minority, they are a way of life.

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And the concern isn't so much that the Muslim Brotherhood is getting support from people in Egypt and is doing horrible things. It's a given with them.

The concern is that our administration has shown public and financial support for this organization, and argued that it is peaceful (when it obviously isn't).

This should be a concern for all of here as well, but it obviously isn't.

My greatest concern is that this will not be contained, but will migrate and mutate as it gathers momentum. I honestly do not beleive that these people can ever be governed according to Western standards, if governed at all. It may be that tribal warfare will become a norm in the region, with sporadic offshoots that will have to be dealt with to keep the insanity from malignantly spreading and metastasizing.

Anyone following this analogy?
jw

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This is not necessarily to you jdub......

Pics or it did'nt happen? Ok, I expect ALL of ATS members to post pics to prove their articles are 100% correct because ATS is just a drop in feed centre for articles all around the world. Some are truthful, others are not.

Yes, it DID happen and if any ATS members don't believe it then you know nothing of whats really going on in the Middle East and North Africa.

All minority groups which include the Egyptian Coptics and other Arab Christians are in deep serious danger as the Muslim Brotherhood takes over every single Arab nation. I strongly suggest they get their families out of the Middle East ASAP.

Most Western nations don't give a crap and won't give a crap until it happens on their soil to their own people - unfortunately.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Muslim Brotherhood Supporters Scourge and Crucify Secular Protesters
Read more at www.inquisitr.com...

I was reading about this last night, but was afraid to post it,for fear I would be verbally assaulted by ATS members,
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Obama knew exactly what he was doing when he unleashed this multiple headed hydra, some of us saw this coming.

edit on 073131p://bSaturday2012 by Stormdancer777 because: (no reason given)

There are still many here who do not believe this, or who are unable to understand things without being told what to think.

I have to agree with you that "Obama knew exactly what he was doing ... ."

I opined ealier that however our support came aboout it borders on incompetence or treason, but certainly not logic.

I've yet to see a reasoned opinion why what is happening ther is a good thing, or why we should stand passively by.

jw.

Topic, Please

Speaking to no one in particular, and everyone in general, let's please remember to confine our comments to the topic and refrain from personal commentary or sniping. Please alert us to problems when they occur.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Unity_99
Its our leaders that are propping up the worst things on this planet, horrendous things that are beyond belief terrible. And the bankers, corporations and elites behind them.

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And so wherever we are, HERE and NOW, we need to stand up and be outraged and refuse to participate in their world anymore.

This kind of thing is so horrendous I don't understand why everyone isn't in the streets screaming at the top of their lungs, banging themselvs on the head until GOD/GOODNESS stops all of it right the hell now.
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It seems to me, that all factions that splinter off can be manipulated in an 'the end justifies the means' type of scenario.

Infiltrate and perform actions to cause a specific group to be portrayed in the worst light possible in order to garner support.

Pit this group agains that group, rinse and repeat as needed.

Some take the bait hook line and sinker.

And some people wonder why there are problems with Religion. Religion is a good base to form prejudiced, judgmental, and often hateful ideoligies. Does it really matter whether its Jesus, Allah, Yahweh, the Great Spirit or whoever/whatever God one's belief lies in? It shouldn't as the core message is for people to behave in a virtuous manner rather than focusing on differences and spiting those that are different.

Here, fishy fishy...

Honestly, the source for this information is dubious at best. The Algemeiner website is the original source of the story and it was picked up by WND and other sites.

Even they do not have first hand information, basing the entire account on one "Sky News correspondant".

A Sky News Arabic correspondent in Cairo confirmed that protestors belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood crucified those opposing Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi naked on trees in front of the presidential palace while abusing others.

I am not saying that it didn't happen, it's just that if I don't tend to believe the media without proof, why would I believe an article based on hearsay? No other media outlets are reporting this and all trails lead back to the Algemeiner source.

Lastly, if we assume this story is true. Why are we more concerned about how Obama and Clinton fit into all this?

Seriosuly, if people were actually nailed to a tree....shouldn't that be the main point of concern? Why can we not address the human rights issues and absolute insanity of the action? No.....we need to make sure we talk about Obama somehow.

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ATS won't allow it but I could post a video of what happened to a young 12 year boy in Syria just recently....or perhaps a video of what the Islamics did to another young boy in Tunisia afew months ago......but it's WAY WAY too graphic!

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I bet there are such videos. I don't doubt it. But how would those videos prove whether or not this particular case is true?

Do you have a video of the Muslim Brotherhood crucifying these people?

Originally posted by bluemirage5
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This is not necessarily to you jdub......

Pics or it did'nt happen? Ok, I expect ALL of ATS members to post pics to prove their articles are 100% correct because ATS is just a drop in feed centre for articles all around the world. Some are truthful, others are not.

Yes, it DID happen and if any ATS members don't believe it then you know nothing of whats really going on in the Middle East and North Africa.

All minority groups which include the Egyptian Coptics and other Arab Christians are in deep serious danger as the Muslim Brotherhood takes over every single Arab nation. I strongly suggest they get their families out of the Middle East ASAP.

Most Western nations don't give a crap and won't give a crap until it happens on their soil to their own people - unfortunately.

edit on 18-8-2012 by bluemirage5 because: (no reason given)

The headline and first post in this thread are misleading. Nobody was "crucified" in Cairo. That did not happen.

What did happen, though, was the owner of a private television station showed the video (linked to further down from the original post) during a television program, asking if that is what Egypt has to look forward to with the MB in power. As a result, his television station has been shut down and he's been arrested.

I knew about the shut down and the arrest, but I didn't know why. So, in a way, I have to thank the OP and those that followed up for teaching me something.

There is a mass demonstration, which some are calling a second revolution, schedule for August 24th in front of the Presidential Palace.

This is what I mean. Something damning to the Brotherhood gets reported, and then people come on, relying on this huge gulf of ocean and us not being privy to their news, and tells us its not true, here is the pink fairy version instead. . Pats on the head, there there, nothing to worry about.

I don't believe ya! Get it!

Once again:

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Raymond Ibrahim, a Middle East and Islam specialist, is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center and an Associate Fellow at the Middle East Forum. A widely published author, he is best known for his book, The Al Qaeda Reader . Mr. Ibrahim's dual-background—born and raised in the U.S. by Egyptian parents —has provided him with unique advantages to understanding of the Western and Middle Eastern mindsets.

This article appeared originally on the Investigative Project on Terrorism

Now as to what this man has written.

Last week in Egypt, when Muslim Brotherhood supporters terrorized the secular media, several Arabic websites—including Arab News, Al Khabar News, Dostor Watany, and Egypt Now—reported that people were literally being crucified. The relevant excerpt follows in translation:

A Sky News Arabic correspondent in Cairo confirmed that protestors belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood crucified those opposing Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi naked on trees in front of the presidential palace while abusing others...


Most of the aforementioned Arabic sites point out that these attacks are part of the Muslim Brotherhood's campaign to intimidate and thus censor Egypt's secular media from exposing the group's Islamist agenda, which Youm 7, On TV and Okasha do daily. (Note: Okasha's channel was recently shut down, despite Morsi's previous reassurances that "no station or media will be shut down in my era.")

These threats are not new. Back in April, an organization called the "Jihad Group to Cleanse the Country" threatened these media with "painful and severe punishments." Apparently now that Morsi has become master of Egypt, these threats are becoming reality, just as promises are being broken.

I repeat I DON'T BELIEVE YA!!!!

And I've pdf'd it!!!

What I don't get is why we are pretending that the MB doesn't have some things going on that we (U.S.) find disturbing. We give them aid before they change any of their political beliefs. Where's the incentive for them to moderate their policies? We should have withheld most of our funding contingent of the Egyptians putting real democratic reforms in place and the MB forming a true coalition Government. Now we are left with little to no influence over events.

Originally posted by pavil
What I don't get is why we are pretending that the MB doesn't have some things going on that we (U.S.) find disturbing. We give them aid before they change any of their political beliefs. Where's the incentive for them to moderate their policies? We should have withheld most of our funding contingent of the Egyptians putting real democratic reforms in place and the MB forming a true coalition Government. Now we are left with little to no influence over events.

Think about it.
I am afraid to tell you.

well we won't have much use for the experts of the middle east soon, it's going to be common knowledge as soon as your wife is shuffling around the banana store wearing a burkah while you are faced east and pray on your mat or get nailed to a tree. If this can happen in one place it can happen anywhere and yes i am very afraid.
Muslims are already free to protest whatever they want over here and while we let them do it, they are killing people for the opposite reason. Numbers are growing.

Crucifixion WTF the worst possible way to die, this is as bad as it gets torture wise.

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This is not necessarily to you jdub......

Pics or it did'nt happen?

Yes, it is, since your post says "in reply to post by jdub297."

If you read the thread, you'll see the pick I posted and the link to video of a live slaughter.
If you follow the links I gave, you would have access to all the pics anyone would need.
If you google images for this topic, you'd see others as they came online.
Since I am not in Cairo, my resources are somewhat limited.

If you didn't mean to address this to me, do not address it to me.

jw

I followed the link. Where are the pictures of these poor people who were crucified?
Pics (of the crucifixions) or it didn't happen
Pics or it's standard propaganda