Arab Spring run amok: 'Brotherhood' starts crucifixions

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Honestly, I'll be pretty forward.

It's the policy of this administration that attempts to say the Muslim Brotherhood is "nonviolent."

People who actually know a thing or two (or whose ignorance does not benefit islamic extremists as a matter of course . . . ) see the Muslim Brotherhood for exactly what it is; a theocratic group dedicated to a sort of manifest destiny for sharia regimes.

I'm not entirely sure if this administration believes it is somehow possible to become friends with these groups by not publicly labeling them and making overt moves against them.... or if this administration is ... treasonously ... aligned with them; but I'm really getting tired of hearing our commander in chief (and his appointed staff) try to tell us that the people lobbing mortars into bases and markets are not our enemy.

I also find it comical that our head of intelligence stated that a group titled 'The Muslim Brotherhood' is secular.

We need to fire so many people in our upper leadership positions....

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And our dark hearted demonic leaders seem to be in cohoots with all of this.

This is the really, really bad part.

Obama welcomes the MB to the White House. Within days, they see the "green light" to begin purging the non-faithful (according to their (and ours?) own interpretation of the "law").

Last year, Obama 's chief advisor in this area sat begore Congress, under oath and swore that the MB did not have a history of violence and were just a political organization.
Dir. of Nat. Intel lies to Congress or adopts politically correct stance on Muslim Brotherhood

And, Hillary and Obama agree to give away $3 billion to help this fine group of leaders for the future of the Middle East and Islam in the world!

Frightening.

jw

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This kind of thing is so horrendous I don't understand why everyone isn't in the streets screaming at the top of their lungs, banging themselvs on the head until GOD/GOODNESS stops all of it right the hell now. Because I don't know what any human being can do to stop it, BUT WE CANNOT LIVE ONE MORE MOMENT IN THIS WORLD!!!!!!

No. Our future leaders would rather look at lens flares and deny moon landings than try to get a grasp on what the world is really like. As long as the X-Box works, and mommie brings dinner and the MSM tell them they know what's best for them, they're happy to live in ignorance.

Surely, someone else will take care of them forever --this is America, after all.

jw

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Shame this doesn't happen in other countries, our leaders would think twice before screwing over the rest of the country and each other.

Originally posted by steve1709
So, putting 2 and 2 together, apparently the US, UN etc are hoping that Assad and his brutal regime are overthrown by the Syrian civilian who just so happen to be in cahoots with the MB that is crucifying people in Egypt that are against them. I am finding it difficult to fathom who is the most brutal, Assad and his cronies or the MB backed free army. I know this thread is about Egypt and what the MB are supposedly doing, but doesn't it all fit together? Seems to me that we are looking at a coin that is the same on both sides no matter which way it is looked at. Both sides seem to paint themselves as the "pure victims" and the "other side" as the "terrible villians". Sheesh, who to believe, who to support. Here's a choice. Let em fight each other and whoever is left standing after one wipes the other out will be weakened. Then, just as quickly as possible, get in and grab any WMDs before the crazy "victors" can use em or sell em to their fellow terrorists. Just a thought.

edit on 18/8/12 by steve1709 because: Had to put the s on some words. It doesn't always work

NO! You are exactly right!

Do you think that our people do not know the history of the MB, its ties to Hamas and the goals of their U.S. initiative? Call me a cynic, but this is exactly what they expected and desire.

This is the Muslim Brotherhood whose motto brays that the Koran is its law and jihad is its way. The MB whose Palestinian branch, the terrorist organization Hamas, was created for the specific purpose of destroying Israel — the goal its charter says is a religious obligation. It is the organization dedicated to the establishment of Islamicized societies and, ultimately, a global caliphate. It is an organization whose leadership says al-Qaeda’s emir, Osama bin Laden, is an honorable jihad warrior who was “close to Allah on high” in “resisting the occupation.”

www.nationalreview.com...


I hate to repeat myself, but last year I cited wjkjpedia for on of the few times ever bedcasue it had a succinct statement of their goals and US objectives:

"General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" makes the objectives of the MB clear: "The process of settlement is a 'Civilization-Jihadist Process' with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions."

en.wikipedia.org...

Hamas grew out of the Muslim Brotherhood, a religious and political organization founded in Egypt with branches throughout the Arab world.

Hamas

Clapper, Hillary and Obama know, and knew, exactly what to expect.

If not, then they should be impeached for incompetence.
If so, they should be tried for Treason.

jw

Originally posted by Aim64C
Honestly, I'll be pretty forward...Muslim Brotherhood for exactly what it is; a theocratic group dedicated to a sort of manifest destiny for sharia regimes.

You mean Salafi/Wahabi groups that want to propagate their own twisted ideology?

Like minded people come together, no wonder the US is supporting them, one persons enemy is another persons friend...modern warefare is such bollox.

Sweeping statements like "Sharia Regimes" might sound nice but are not factually correct. Yes you have a hard lined element that is taking over the middle east, funded and propped up by the US to cause the downfall of the majority Sunni Muslims (who do not share the same extreme views).

This is a game of chess, fund the Alawites in Syria to cause havoc there and destroy the country, but also prop up other regimes like MB to ensure you can kill two birds with one US made ordnance.

How come no Media source besides this website provides information? I'm tired of you guys providing obscure and unreliable news sources from conspiracy sites.
And please, this is the EGYPTIAN people's revolution. They should have a say in what THEY want. I suggest if you think what they are doing is wrong, you should go to Egypt and start spewing some anti-Islamic, anti-Arab, anti-everything-to-do-with-the-Middle-East propaganda you spew on this website.

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Like minded people come together, no wonder the US is supporting them, one persons enemy is another persons friend...modern warefare is such bollox.

Sweeping statements like "Sharia Regimes" might sound nice but are not factually correct. Yes you have a hard lined element that is taking over the middle east, funded and propped up by the US to cause the downfall of the majority Sunni Muslims (who do not share the same extreme views).

Speaking of sweeping generalizations:

I do not believe it is the policy of the U.S.

There are groups everywhere with various agendas - and there are many individuals subject to being manipulated or blinded to benefit these agendas.

Now - I'm typically skeptical of "shadow government" or "our president is a baby eating reptilian" type conspiracies... but if you look at past support for various warlords and activist groups by the CIA - much of that support was not publicized and done so as a means to spite the USSR.

The support this administration has offered the "Arab spring" and the Muslim Brotherhood is quite different. It's overt, social in nature (as opposed to providing munitions and strategic advisers), and coming from the political world rather than the world of intelligence (pun not necessarily intended but enjoyable).

In the past - when CIA sponsored elements would go rogue and turn hostile - contact would be severed and attempts to neutralize would be made. This is not the case we currently see.

Which makes me wonder, quite seriously, if there isn't some pro-sharia agenda being pushed by the administration (at least abroad).

To what ends - I can only speculate.

Kind of like how the current deficit spending program is, in a way, economic warfare with China. By inflating our currency we decrease the value of their held debt and devalue their currency backed by it. We can, at least for now, take the economic hit that they are struggling to absorb. They'll collapse into riots long before we hit the same bottom.

Though it seems a bit like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face... so I think there are better strategies to dealing with China than inflation.

I know from personal experience that most in the military and intelligence community consider the Muslim Brotherhood a supporter of terrorism and a threat.

It's the people who draft the paperwork that sends us to hostile environments whose motives are in question.

Originally posted by RimDaas
How come no Media source besides this website provides information? I'm tired of you guys providing obscure and unreliable news sources from conspiracy sites.
And please, this is the EGYPTIAN people's revolution. They should have a say in what THEY want. I suggest if you think what they are doing is wrong, you should go to Egypt and start spewing some anti-Islamic, anti-Arab, anti-everything-to-do-with-the-Middle-East propaganda you spew on this website.

What on earth are you talking about? It's their revolution so crucifixion is justified, or what should I make of your ramblings?

This garbage post doesn't make any sense whatsoever, if we don't agree with what is going on there, we should head over there to insult people, because you assume that is what we love doing???

Good God there are some REALLY strange people on ATS, thankfully most of them stay under their bridge most of the time.

Why is it that people who shout Allahu Akbar after they do some unspeakable thing think that God likes them more, and why do they think that shouting Allahu Akbar gives them the right to do it

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And please, this is the EGYPTIAN people's revolution. They should have a say in what THEY want. I suggest if you think what they are doing is wrong, you should go to Egypt and start spewing some anti-Islamic, anti-Arab, anti-everything-to-do-with-the-Middle-East propaganda you spew on this website.

Hey, currently here (the middle east, that is).

Of course - I'm not anti-islam. And the Muslims here are, largely, not anti-american. They're not violent around here and everyone gets along fairly well.

And the concern isn't so much that the Muslim Brotherhood is getting support from people in Egypt and is doing horrible things. It's a given with them.

The concern is that our administration has shown public and financial support for this organization, and argued that it is peaceful (when it obviously isn't).

Egypt is a # hole that, frankly, I couldn't care less what they do there. If we get involved it should be to glass them and that's it. The same with the rest of these problem areas around here. Even in the friendly countries - there's nothing worth fighting over, here. Every bit of it is a barren #ing wasteland.

Nice people and I admire their tenacity for living here. Doesn't make it an enjoyable or sensible place to try and live. I prefer places where water falls from the sky on a somewhat regular occasion and green things grow without having to be on life support contraptions. And where the air is normally ten degrees or more below my body temperature.

Perhaps that's why these people are nice and mostly friendly. They have air conditioning and running, potable water. I'd be perpetually pissed at the world if I had to live in this heat all the time. Probably why early judeo-christian portrayals of God are so vindictive and spiteful. Can't say I'd feel any different if this was where I lived.

Originally posted by RimDaas
How come no Media source besides this website provides information? I'm tired of you guys providing obscure and unreliable news sources from conspiracy sites.
And please, this is the EGYPTIAN people's revolution. They should have a say in what THEY want. I suggest if you think what they are doing is wrong, you should go to Egypt and start spewing some anti-Islamic, anti-Arab, anti-everything-to-do-with-the-Middle-East propaganda you spew on this website.

Don't have to go over there, we have heaps of Packis Afganis and a sh1t load of other ME morons trying to sneak here through Indonesia then onto a boat and doing the victim thing of "help! come and save me my boat is sinking! (because I put a hole in it)" then when picked up by merchant vessels and on the way to some other country, threaten self harm to FORCE the captain to bring em here. Sh1t! They're the types we DON'T want here! And regarding Egyptians should be able to do what THEY want, SURE, I AGREE! But as long as they keep their garbage attitudes over there and NOT try to sleeze their way out here. We can do quite well WITHOUT their culture. It ads NOTHING, NIL ZIP NADA to our great country, so re Egypt, we agree!!!!!

Muslim Brotherhood Supporters Scourge and Crucify Secular Protesters
Read more at www.inquisitr.com...

I was reading about this last night, but was afraid to post it,for fear I would be verbally assaulted by ATS members,

Muslim Brotherhood Supporters Scourge and Crucify Secular Protesters

According to Middle Eastern scholar and Inquisitr contributor, Raymond Ibrahim, the violence against opponents of Muslim Brotherhood is justified by explicit teaching in the Qur’an. Mr. Ibrahim stated in a recent article, “Moreover, those alleged to have been crucified in Egypt certainly fit the Koran’s description of who deserves to be crucified. According to Allah, “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this: that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off…” (Koran 5:33). Making mischief in the land” is precisely what the secular media is being accused of, by constantly exposing the Muslim Brotherhood and prompting the people to protest. Even the Jihad Group to Cleanse the Country, which threatens to “liquidate” many secular media, accuses them of “creating chaos to implement the American and Zionist agenda.”

Obama knew exactly what he was doing when he unleashed this multiple headed hydra, some of us saw this coming.

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Which makes me wonder, quite seriously, if there isn't some pro-sharia agenda being pushed by the administration (at least abroad).

Yes there is something going on, I wondered as well, what exactly are they trying to do, remember this is political chess we are witnessing.

One view could be that they are creating an opportunity to act out a response or more likely, they want to keep a constant state of tension.

Mohammed Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood candidate competing against Ahmed Shafiq in a runoff election to become Egypt's first elected president in 60 years, has allegedly said that the Coptic Christian population should "convert, pay tribute, or leave" the predominantly Muslim country.

The Egyptian news website El Bashayer quoted the presidential candidate as allegedly telling a journalist in the context of a private meeting that he will "achieve the Islamic conquest of Egypt for the second time, and make all Christians convert to Islam, or else pay the 'jizya' (Islamic tax)," according to an article by Raymond Ibrahim of the Gatestone Institute, a nonprofit policy organization.
Read more at global.christianpost.com... oEribC4.99

The Muslim Brotherhood are crucifying people according to several prominent Arabic News agencies including Arab News, Al Khabar News, Dostor Watany, and Egypt Now. Christians are warned to leave Egypt.

It's going to get much worse

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One view could be that they are creating an opportunity to act out a response or more likely, they want to keep a constant state of tension.

I really don't think this is it.

Overthinking is just as dangerous as underthinking. Keeping things in a state of tension doesn't make sense. Nor does "setting them up to be the next enemy." They would do that on their own, and without any outside help.

Further, Obama is very vote oriented. For him to go out and support a group that most in the intelligence and foreign affairs community know supports terrorism (and for him to so blatantly claim they were not)... he either has to be a complete and total imbecile (which, while I find him to have disagreeable opinions and believe myself intellectually superior to the vast majority of human beings - I do not think Obama is that stupid) - or he stands to gain something greater by supporting them than the White House.

For a socialist, he's got a lot of personal ambition he wishes to see through.

Ultimately - I think it's come back around to bite him in the ass and his support of them will ultimately be considered a mistake by himself. I think he had a slightly different idea of what events would transpire following his support of them - but this one certainly stands to compromise his bid for the White House.

I give it another 12 hours before this gets processed and displayed to the public on the MSM. They aren't ignoring it - but making sure they have a riveting story to tell along with lining up Obama quotes to go with it.

It's too good of an opportunity to pass up. Ratings will go through the roof.

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I wouldn't call it ignorance at all, there is an Islamic agenda, they are just trying to wash this over. Nothing to see here - Islam, religion of peace.