71-year-old taken to the ground for questioning Paul Ryan

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by pointr97

 

Now you are calling conservatives political trolls for having an opinion here? The whole "troll" thing just gets so boring and predictable. It's so boring and predictable for people here to attack the running mate of Romney too. It shows me that people are not ready to stop the entitlement gravy train even if it's needed to bring the country back to equilibrium.

Interesting point, so what happened in your words, why are we in this situation? Did the entitlement programs cause our government to bleed money hand over fist? I don't agree with people getting a welfare check just because they reproduce, but in the large scale, is that really where our money went? Please, enlighten us, where do you think the gravy train really goes? Israel? Egypt? ......Big Banks?

reply to post by acidsweep

You're trying to turn this into a Repub vs Demo argument, and it's not.

Oh yes it is! Any fool can see that. When the liberal media establishmenet is already using every tool available to them and all the liberal talking heads are uttering their useless mud flinging, it's the same old ruse they used on Sarah Palin and suddenly everyone says oh that person is so silly and stupid and mean and whatever else they can think of. Ironically, I am not that pro Romney and I once said "anybody but Hillary" but that anybody turned out to be one of the most devastating Presidents in American history. I really don't trust any of the politicians now, but it's easy to see the liberal bias here.

Here's more liberal bias and well before Ryan is announced as running mate

newsbusters.org...

And look how the liberal media is treating Ryan to the same kind of depiction of him as messiah as Obama... the liberal media just turned it all around to suit them. It's kind of funny really.

“They think he’s [Ryan] the second coming of Christ and will support Romney more than they have previously,” said Bowen. And such increased support is not to be scoffed at, given the prospect of a Romney fundraising advantage, especially if one factors in the role of super PACs.

www.thedailybeast.com...

Here's more

www.thegatewaypundit.com...

Let's not forget ol Huffpo either
www.huffingtonpost.com...

And of course ThinkProgress, the liberal think tank is out in full force against Ryan.

thinkprogress.org...

All of that activity should show exactly what is going on here.

Originally posted by pointr97

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by pointr97

 

Now you are calling conservatives political trolls for having an opinion here? The whole "troll" thing just gets so boring and predictable. It's so boring and predictable for people here to attack the running mate of Romney too. It shows me that people are not ready to stop the entitlement gravy train even if it's needed to bring the country back to equilibrium.

Interesting point, so what happened in your words, why are we in this situation? Did the entitlement programs cause our government to bleed money hand over fist? I don't agree with people getting a welfare check just because they reproduce, but in the large scale, is that really where our money went? Please, enlighten us, where do you think the gravy train really goes? Israel? Egypt? ......Big Banks?

edit on 13-8-2012 by pointr97 because: (no reason given)

Yes, it went to lots of places. Michael Savage exposed George Bush Jr as a fiscal socialist, and I have posted before how two Skull and Bones on opposing sides ran against each other in 04, showing how the elite must be laughing at us in full Hegelian mockery. But Paul Ryan is not George Bush Jr or Sr.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by acidsweep

 

You're trying to turn this into a Repub vs Demo argument, and it's not.

Oh yes it is! Any fool can see that. When the liberal media establishmenet is already using every tool available to them and all the liberal talking heads are uttering their useless mud flinging, it's the same old ruse they used on Sarah Palin and suddenly everyone says oh that person is so silly and stupid and mean and whatever else they can think of. Ironically, I am not that pro Romney and I once said "anybody but Hillary" but that anybody turned out to be one of the most devastating Presidents in American history. I really don't trust any of the politicians now, but it's easy to see the liberal bias here.

In this thread, I' only see you trying to turn it into a D v R v L argument. Look at the man for his actions and put your politics aside.

It wouldn't matter if the guy was a D, R or L to me, if he's (or whoever else) condescending enough to make the comment he did, he doesn't deserve to be in any type of office in the US Government.

To be honest, actions like this probably pertain to many politicians, we just haven't seen it yet. But that's probably, partly the reason why our country is in the shape it's in!

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by acidsweep

 

You're trying to turn this into a Repub vs Demo argument, and it's not.

Oh yes it is! Any fool can see that. When the liberal media establishmenet is already using every tool available to them and all the liberal talking heads are uttering their useless mud flinging, it's the same old ruse they used on Sarah Palin and suddenly everyone says oh that person is so silly and stupid and mean and whatever else they can think of. Ironically, I am not that pro Romney and I once said "anybody but Hillary" but that anybody turned out to be one of the most devastating Presidents in American history. I really don't trust any of the politicians now, but it's easy to see the liberal bias here.

What is your point, because you have a lot of hate, and it is effecting your logic if you have any. This thread has nothing to do with politics, but one man's response to another's. If you wish to tell me how this is party based, please do, back it up with how this one party vs another.

reply to post by pointr97


Well, he did yell like a crazy man...

reply to post by pointr97


Hate? Boy are you out of range on this one. What hate have I shown? Because I didn't cave to the accusation being made of Ryan and his off-color remark about a man who screamed at him at a luncheon? That man showed zero decorum, so what's the big deal? Here you are accusing me of hate just because I have an opinion. Or is it that you really are a liberal and you don't like being called out?

So that man can scream all he wants and you defend him, I speak my mind in a forum and suddenly it's hate. I can assure you that I was not screaming over my keyboard either.


And by the way, where is your support of free speech? Is it only free speech when some liberal is screaming at a conservative?

Perhaps you haven't yet digested my post on Kerry and Bush running as hegelian opposites in 04 or my mention of Michael Savage's analysis of Bush spending.
We need to get control of govt spending but I don't see too many people embracing what is necessary. Instead it's partisan fearmongering. You know it's true.

corptocracy thugs.

So quick to judge. You need to look at all aspects of the situation. You do realize how infuriated a lot of people are at Ryan right. To have an outburst like that with yelling and what not can be looked as a danger to his life. There is a lot of hate for this man.

reply to post by pointr97


Typical American Over-reaction.....so much for Land of the Free!

Originally posted by pointr97
I guess this sets the tone for what we should expect. Are we really surprised? The old man didn't exactly use tact by expressing his view...He was not aggressive, just loud...

Well which is it? The man in the video came out with all "guns" blaring interrupting a speaker yet you think that the speaker should have communicated with him? Both sides didn't show any tact but you only want to point out and defend the side that fits your narrative. The man was aggressive in the sense that he decided that was the moment to start on his argument. He himself could have chosen his battle a bit more wisely in my opinion.

Originally posted by elitegamer23
why was this man arrested?

cant you speak your mind freely in the country anymore?
at least he wasnt assaulted with a taser.

yet he WAS assaulted... just for being "uppity"

Those rent a cops are lucky that guy wasn't a vet - they might have been picking their teeth up off the floor.

I know if that would have been me that's exactly what would have happened.

As soon as they laid hand on him, they were in the wrong.

Originally posted by ownbestenemy

Originally posted by pointr97
I guess this sets the tone for what we should expect. Are we really surprised? The old man didn't exactly use tact by expressing his view...He was not aggressive, just loud...

Well which is it? The man in the video came out with all "guns" blaring interrupting a speaker yet you think that the speaker should have communicated with him? Both sides didn't show any tact but you only want to point out and defend the side that fits your narrative. The man was aggressive in the sense that he decided that was the moment to start on his argument. He himself could have chosen his battle a bit more wisely in my opinion.

Do you honestly think a guy who openly and publicly makes fun of senior citizens (as evidenced by his own remarks) is going to listen to a senior citizens opinions??

Come on.....

They guy was pissed off and had a right to stand up and be [snip] HEARD. Not assaulted by cops and physically removed, and then LAUGHED AT.

reply to post by elitegamer23
Then you dont know what an arse kicking is. I have had my head slammed into the hood of a cop car for somthing I didnt do(bloody my nose) and that still isnt an arse kicking. An arse kicking is when your on the ground and you have 6 bikers putting the boots to you. You need to get out more. Oh and the op said both parties not just Republicans as you stated in an earlier comment.

Originally posted by HIWATT
Come on.....

Where are we going?

They guy was pissed off and had a right to stand up and be [snip] HEARD. Not assaulted by cops and physically removed, and then LAUGHED AT.

Ah but Rep. Ryan was speaking does he not have the right to be heard and not interrupted? The older gentleman's (for lack of a better word given his outburst) attempt at "communicating" was childish, albeit understandable. Yet you want to defend his actions because they fit your views. Fair enough. I am not defending anyone here except the fact that someone couldn't respect another person enough to keep their trap shut while they were speaking. Don't like the message? Than why attend? I am pissed off about a lot of things but have no desire to interrupt or disrupt a peaceful event to "get my voice heard".

Originally posted by HIWATT
As soon as they laid hand on him, they were in the wrong.

Looking over the video, that is spliced and edited by the way, it is okay for him to infringe according to you? Damn those you disagree with your voice is much more important right?

His argument and point became moot as soon as he engaged in his disruptive behavior. Civil discourse is a two-way street.

Does the gentleman have a valid argument? Possibly but the execution was sorely inappropriate and at a private event.

Let the attacks begin. It seems that some just sat around salivating, waiting to attack whomever was picked. Some may be best suited to keep their eyes on Team Obama and never mind Romney-Ryan.

reply to post by DaTroof
I agree: "He was being aggressively loud and boisterous, and interrupting a speech. That gets anyone taken away".

Originally posted by yeahright
Act like a disruptive fool, be treated like one. And honestly, the thing that troubles me the most is that everyone doesn't see that.

I'm troubled by that and several other things.

The video cuts from him being taken from the room to him being on the ground and cuffed. We see nothing in between, yet so many are willing to accept his word (and the word of the video-author) that he was slammed to the ground for no reason. Him being on the ground is not proof that anything happened, except that he was on the ground. In a world where so many are willing to lie or at least be untruthful, in particular when it comes to politics, in order to manipulate us, why should we take anything at face-value without evidence?

That people are so willing to accept the clearly manipulative claim that he was "taken down" for "questioning" Ryan. It wasn't because he "questioned" Ryan. He was taken out of the room because he was being disruptive.

Yes, he does have freedom of speech but that does not mean he has the freedom to be disruptive. I find it troubling that some people believe that his right to freedom of speech trumps the rights of everyone else. I find it troubling that people are willing to accept a perversion of freedom of speech when it comes to politicians they do not like.