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71-year-old taken to the ground for questioning Paul Ryan

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posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by HawkeyeNation
I don't get it....I just don't get how people think Ryan took a jab at the man's age. He specifically said "I hope he took his blood pressure medication". How in any way does that relate to the man being old? Oh that's right because young people are not on BP medicine...yep must be it. Blood pressure rises when people get angry...would it have been better had he say "Hope he takes a chill pill"? People are so damn sensitive these days it ridiculous.


Paul Ryan is the one who looked like a joke, and yeah, he has an ageist mentality because he showed disrespect by cracking a joke at the man being upset. He was only trying to be heard and get his legitimate questions out there. Clearly he was angry, so, why didn't Ryan take this as an opportunity to listen and respond? This could have been a great moment for him to show respect, but nope, he acted like a jerk. What else should we expect though? He's a dirty politician who is only capable of laughing off someone's concerns, so that he won't have to think of an unrehearsed response.


LOL.

Well...what else would we expect from a guy who champions spending billions and billions of dollars on surveillance blimps that the military says they don't need, don't want, and would in no way be effective in any past, present, or future military actions...and then proceeds to accuse a US Army General of TREASON for not wanting to fritter away more money on foolish weapons systems that don't work in the first place.

Link: security.blogs.cnn.com...
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posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 09:26 AM
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I don't think I have ever been so disgusted at my fellow members after reading through this thread!

How can any of you say that this man deserved to be thrown out when all he did is express himself non-violently at a function he paid to attend?

The minute he began to talk the cops were all over him, with hands on. This man had every right to resist because his rights were being violated....and not one person stood up for this man!

No respect was shown for his age, opinion and the fact that this was a Rotary meeting.

What is the Rotary club?



Rotary International (also known as the Rotary Club) is an international service club whose stated purpose is to bring together business and professional leaders in order to provide humanitarian services, encourage high ethical standards in all vocations, and help build goodwill and peace in the world.


Goodwill and peace my ass. Those other members sat there and let a fellow human being be roughed-up just because he questioned Ryan.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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There might be some hope that we will wake up. I am a boomer, 61, and I agree with you. Our parents produced too many of us after WW2 cause women did not have access to effective birth control. I never want to go back the times that my mother had to live as a woman.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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Yes. The fake Romney candidacy is designed to force the American people to accept an Obama second term, and it is working. Romney and his new boy will get about 37% of the vote, and an Obama second term will look like a mandate. Hide and watch.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by texasgirl

Originally posted by nunyadammm
Why do I see so many ATS right wingers in here defending Ryan on this?
Two years ago you were the same people defending every angry old TEA bagger that got up and screamed and yelled at any town meeting they could get into.
What happened to all that fun?
Oh, they were yelling at Democrats then, huh?



I am a Ron Paul supporter and am not defending Ryan. His response was to make a quip at the expense of the old man was in bad taste, not denying that.

The guy was a protester, spoke out of turn, and was forced out of the room. They were warned by authorities this would happen and he ignored that. Again, the video only shows a small portion so we don't really know what happened before that.


So we should arrest all protestors who "speak out of turn"...especially if they've "been warned", huh?

So it was OK to arrest or lock out all of those Ron Paul supporters at their State GOP conventions this past year, huh? It's OK with you that this guy's 1st, 4th, and 9th, Constitutional right have been blatantly violated...only to have candidate for the second highest office in the land JOKE about it? That must mean it's ALSO OK to label someone at an End the Fed rally as being a "domestic terrorist", huh? I mean...you've all been warned...right?

Ron Paul would vomit on his shoes to hear you make excuses for this neocon fascist.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by MOMof3
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There might be some hope that we will wake up. I am a boomer, 61, and I agree with you. Our parents produced too many of us after WW2 cause women did not have access to effective birth control. I never want to go back the times that my mother had to live as a woman.



Agreed. I must say, it's refreshing to hear a boomer admit that their generation (as a whole...not on the individual level) has been utterly asleep at the wheel.

As much as I HATE to see what TPTB did to this guy or that poor 84 year old woman (Dorli Rainey) who got pepper sprayed last year in Seattle...I've also come to think these are the ONLY things which will wake up the crowd with birth years prior to the 1960's.

GenX and later have been subjected to all sorts of this treatment for YEARS. The "war on drugs" was really little more than a "war on youth". Likewise...remember the big push in the mid-90's for curfews on teenagers? I thought the right to travel freely was considered both Constitutional and INALIENABLE?

Remember when Kurt Cobain & Courtney Love weren't even permitted to take their child home from the hospital BECAUSE OF A MAGAZINE RUMOR in Vanity Fair that they were "bad parents"? Could you imagine the OUTRAGE if known herion addict and patron saint of 'boomer culture John Lennon wasn't allowed to take young Julian home from the hospital because of hearsay written in The National Enquirer?

I can recall more than one occasion in the early and mid-90's when the cops broke up our high school beer bashes WITH K9 UNITS AND HELICOPTERS...in the big, dangerous, "city" of Manitowoc, WI...(population 32,000 located at the intersection of "Bumblef^ck & Outer Mongolia"). In fact...the pigs used TRACK THE KIDS WHO RAN AWAY THROUGH THE WOODS WITH GERMAN SHEPARDS AND SCENT HOUNDS AS THOUGH THEY WERE ESCAPED CONVICTS. Yes...to protect and serve...god help us if teenagers are celebrating a homecoming victory or (gasp!) trying to make-out with their high school sweethearts.

Somehow this sort of thing was always excused with some sort of "tough love" or "family values" rhetoric...not all 'boomers of course...I'm just talking about the generation as a demographic whole.

We've been living with this sort of bullsh^t since the mid-80's.

Welcome...we've been expecting you.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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Wow, I always thought Paul Ryan was a jerk(he has a kind of jerkish "wise guy" kind of look. Kinda of like an office sleazeball).

Remember the Republican's haven't officially chosen Romney and Ryan to run yet, but inno, just seems like politic's is becoming more and more like the WCW or something....



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by HawkeyeNation
I don't get it....I just don't get how people think Ryan took a jab at the man's age. He specifically said "I hope he took his blood pressure medication". How in any way does that relate to the man being old? Oh that's right because young people are not on BP medicine...yep must be it. Blood pressure rises when people get angry...would it have been better had he say "Hope he takes a chill pill"? People are so damn sensitive these days it ridiculous.


No...it would have been better to say "Officer's!! Stop and let my constituent speak so that I may address is concerns. After all... I AM LEGALLY OBLIGATED AND SWORN TO REPRESENT the voter's of this district and YOU ALL contribute to paying my salary with your tax dollars. Perhaps, this citizen wouldn't feel compelled to yell and interrupt if historically his elected representatives had listened to him in the past".

Just an idea...it might be better than just being an arrogant douchebag and cracking jokes about his blood pressure meds which Ryan's own proposed budget cuts will probably make it impossible for him to attain.

It's sorta like how "Let them eat cake" wasn't a terribly tactful response to widespread famine.

History tells us that such blatant disregard for the peasantry usually has very, very, bad results for peasant and potentate alike.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
I don't think I have ever been so disgusted at my fellow members after reading through this thread!

How can any of you say that this man deserved to be thrown out when all he did is express himself non-violently at a function he paid to attend?

The minute he began to talk the cops were all over him, with hands on. This man had every right to resist because his rights were being violated....and not one person stood up for this man!

No respect was shown for his age, opinion and the fact that this was a Rotary meeting.

What is the Rotary club?



Rotary International (also known as the Rotary Club) is an international service club whose stated purpose is to bring together business and professional leaders in order to provide humanitarian services, encourage high ethical standards in all vocations, and help build goodwill and peace in the world.


Goodwill and peace my ass. Those other members sat there and let a fellow human being be roughed-up just because he questioned Ryan.



Yes...it's amazing how many people excuse fascism when it comes from "their side" of the aisle...isn't it?

Silly peasants. You would think by now they would realize that the serfs don't have a "side" of the aisle to stand on since they have clearly been left out in the cold for quite some time now.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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I'm glad he was given an opportunity to even be in the same room/zip code as Ryan. I remember the "free speech zones" during the 2008 DNC. I guess if you cage people up like the Democrats do, you won't have any protesters to take to the ground.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 10:47 AM
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We can't make a stand when we are too afraid of being punished, hurt, or killed because of it.

These facts are known and used against us our entire lives.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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SInce when is it legal to standup and interrupt and disrupt? THey did the right thing!



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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Do you see how you are being made to choose sides? You are blaming Paul Ryan for someone who spoke up during a meeting and was escorted out, when he did not calm down he was put in cuffs. You are talking as if Paul Ryan said "get that motherfu$%$ out of here so I can talk!!!"...but he was simply trying to give a speech.

Then, he cracked a joke about blood pressure medicine? Really. How is this attacking the so called protester. Lighten up people...he also offers someone back the 15 bucks they were crying they spent.

Here is the whole story...it was a pay for seat meeting. So, these poor people who are jobless all coughed up 15 bucks to what..get kicked out. They should have given the money to a local homeless center where it may help. I mena, buy giving money to get in an protest is supported what they are against. Gotta love that thinking...

These people paid 15 bucks to get in but all interrupt. Do you see how they ask the first guy to leave when he speaks out of turn...and they walk him out. No issue....then it happens again...and again...again...yes, spoke out of turn and just disrupting. If you watch the video below this was a planned well in advance protest and really had nothing to do with the current VP pick, he was just the one there at the time. No one cared 2 shots before but now something from a year ago is big news?? Why could they not wait for a Q&A when it was over? Because it was not about asking the right questions it was simply about trying to ruin someone else's meeting.


www.politicususa.com...

The current administration has not passed a budget in 3 years...how about they go get upset about that. I don't blame Obama, I blame the people he trusted to get him elected. You don't elect the man, you elect his donors.


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posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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Paul Ryan is a nightmare candidate!



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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Spare me please, the right has been going out of it's way to heckle Obama at public functions. Did the Daily Caller reporter get taken to the floor by goons? No. In fact Obama politely talked to the a-hole, while he continued to heckle him. (What's behind dissing of the president?).

This 71-yr old asked a question at an event he paid to be at. He couldn't even get a complete sentence out before hauled off and taken down to the floor. And then Ryan decided to heckle him. What harm would there have been in hearing the old guy out? He CLEARLY posed no threat.

Obama has had protestors crash events, shout protest slogans, hold up signs, and they STILL weren't treated like this old guy. Protesters disrupt Obama speech at Dem fundraiser - every time the protestors crashed in, Obama addressed them and answered their question.

The difference is, when a protestor or group of protestors crash an event, shout slogans, then I think it is necessary to remove them - without resorting to violent means. That would go for Dem or Repub event. But this 71-yr old guy wasn't a protestor, he had a legitimate question, and they tackled him to the floor rather than let him ask his question. Would it have hurt Ryan to at least HEAR his concern? Of course not. But then to so callously dismiss his concern and joke about him in the process - bad form.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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The threat of instant death is a very powerful motivator!



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 11:04 AM
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No, he does not have the right to be heard. He has the right to speak but no one is forced to listen. His right to speak is not (necessarily) a right to be disruptive. His right to be speak does not trump the rights of others. They do not have to sit there and listen to him. They have the right to hear the person they came to see speak, in other words to gather in peace without someone being there to purposefully disrupt that. His right to be heard is not a demand that others be silent.

True...but this doesn't have anything to do with who was speaking, listening, or interrupting. The question lies in whether or not the government has the right to physically remove an individual from peaceably petitioning his government for a redress of grievances. The First Amendement to the United States Constitution says that they do not. Remember...it WASN'T this guys fellow citizens in the rotary club that ran they guy out...it was THE GOVERNMENT. Similarly, we might also want to consider that the very existence of a municipal police force which is (arguably) ALSO unconstitutional. The structure, form, function, and activities of British soldiers in colonial America closely mirrors what the modern municipal police force of today is tasked with....WITHOUT HAVING ANY ELECTED EXECUTIVE (unlike the county Sheriff). I believe the Constitution DOES have something to say about standing armies, if memory serves.


We don't know he was assaulted. We have a claim but no evidence to back it up.


What video were you watching? I saw the one where the cops physically laid hands on this guy just for speaking his mind. "Assaulted" doesn't mean "beaten".


No, he does not. If he is being disruptive, he does not possess any such right.


The US Constitution, Federal, State, and local laws, and the highly-disruptive, riot-inciting, tax-evading, vandals we lovingly refer to collectively as the "The Founding Fathers" very much disagree with you....at least when it comes to matters of governance, that is.

However, had this outburst disrupted some sort of private gathering between citizens or disrupted non-governmental commerce you would be correct as THEN it would have become a matter of Common Law upon which much of Western culture is based and which has descended to us from Alfred the Great c. 871-899 AD.

However, being that this American citizen was SPECIFICALLY petitioning his government for a redress of his grievances...you are absolutely, categorically, and emphatically WRONG. In fact, not only does he have a RIGHT to be disruptive...but there is also an impressive body of writing from the very signers of Declaration of Ind., the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution of the United States which could very realistically be argued in a court of law that he has a DUTY to do so, albeit a moral one...not a legal one.


He especially does not have the right to not be laughed at.


Correct. He doesn't have a RIGHT not to be laughed at or mocked. In fact, if his fellow citizens and rotary club members choose to do so...more power to them.

However, given that Paul Ryan is citizen and resident of Wisconsin and that this meeting took place in Wisconsin, Paul Ryan DOES HAVE a LEGAL OBLIGATION to act in good faith in all matters of contract whether they be written, verbal, or implied. Given that Ryan receives compensation from taxpayer funds, he is thus legally obligated at the state level to provide the services for which he is being compensated...such as representing his constituency. While it is certainly preposterous to think that Ryan would have a legal obligation to field one-on-one questions from every voter in his district...it's equally preposterous to think that when such questions arise in the course of Ryan's normal contact with the public that he fails to act in good faith and at least listen to or acknowledge the concerns he is being informed of as HE IS BEING PAID FOR.

However, Ryan's contractual obligation to his constituency notwithstanding...Ryan has also violated his oath to uphold the US Constitution by being complicit in the subversion of this mans rights pursuant to the 1st & 9th Amendment, and presumably the 4th Amendment as well provided that the cops did a normal pat down when he was illegally arrested and prevented from petitioning his government for a redress of grievances.

That being said...I'm right with you on the whole ridicule thing IF IT HAD COME from his peers and fellow citizens. However, we have this whole thing backwards. We vote for people based upon what their plan or policy is. We the people are supposed to have the plan and policy...and then vote for someone who will follow our instructions in Washington.

We really need to change our thinking about who the "government" really is.

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posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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How did he do with this guy?

www.telegraph.co.uk...

What they tried to do here...wait till I am done, the speaker who the other 100 people paid to see also, not you, the protester.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
I'm glad he was given an opportunity to even be in the same room/zip code as Ryan. I remember the "free speech zones" during the 2008 DNC. I guess if you cage people up like the Democrats do, you won't have any protesters to take to the ground.


Oh please...it's not "like the democrats do" or "like the republicans do". It's "like the aristocracy does to the peasantry".

A statement like the one you made above is like making excuses for Stalin because at least he wasn't Hitler. Who cares? They were both a^^holes.

We really gotta stop making excuses for these two parties like this. With rare exception, almost any vote for a republican or a democrat is a wasted vote..at least in my opinion.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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Thank you for this conversation. I remember when smoking pot was not a big deal. Then Nixon started the war on drugs because he thought it contributed to the protests against the Viet Nam War. I remember in 1968 during the civil rights protests, my high school was invaded by protestors and the parking lot was rioted and we had to leave school. I remember when Martin Luther King was killed and how afraid everyone was of more riots. I remember when JFK was killed and the tears poured, I was living in Dallas then, 11 yrs old. I remember when my brothers were drafted to Viet Nam, after Johnson increased the troop levels, and had no way out like the wealthy and powerful. I remember my mother sitting by the tv every night, hoping to get a glimpse of her sons. In those days, they covered the war right on tv. Mostly, I remember my father getting drunk every night crying about his experiences in WW2, and it made him a violent father and husband. There were no domestic violence laws then. I NEVER want to go back to those days.




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