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Define Christianity as Hate - The New Homosexual Agenda

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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by EndlessFire
Think about this, why would Jesus have needed to come and teach people how things should be done and how to live ones life if the books of the old testament were true?



Jesus tells us why he came,



Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. KJV Matthew 5:17







The OT is all about everybody going to hell and unreachable goals of how to live and be. But Jesus spoke of forgiveness, love, charity. How can the two be so vastly different if they are indeed about the same god?


The preacher tells us exactly why there appear to be contradictions at times,



To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

== KJV Ecclesiastes 3:1-8



All the answers to every question you could possibly want to know are already in the Bible.




The only rule you really need to follow, but the one that requires the most amount of thought, is, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.


That's not the rule. Jesus said very clearly, that the primary rule you need to follow is,



Master, which is the great commandment in the law? KJV Matthew 22:36

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. KJV Matthew 22:37

This is the first and great commandment. KJV Matthew 22:38


SOURCE: bible.cc...


That's the first law, to LOVE GOD. Without that, all the rest are meaningless.

The reason is very clear. It is God that tells you how to love your neighbor, you can't make up your own kind of love for your neighbor. So if you don't love God first, then what kind of love is it, that you have for your neighbor?





Now taking that rule into account, are you truly treating others the way you want to be treated by trying to force them to live their lives the way you want instead of the way they want? If you are going to be a true christian then you need to follow Jesus' teachings.


We treat others the way God says we should, not the way we think we should. We don't make up our own rules. We read the scripture, to get guidance, and follow the word of God, not our own word.





Can you honestly reconcile, do unto others, and do not judge with the way you currently try to force others to live by your standards? Is that what Jesus would do?


We're not creating the standards, nor changing them, but following the standards set by God.

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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Agoyahtah

Jesus tells us why he came,


There is nothing that proves Mythical Biblical Jesus ever existed.

If something extraordinary actually happened - - - - man of that time explained it in earthly terms that made sense to him.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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Did you miss the part where I said people made the bible(on the instruction of a Roman king) and people lie? Everything else was just me trying to get you to open your mind a little and think for yourself. You are obviously one of those people who will follow blindly the traditions and teachings of your parents and ancestors without question.

If there is a god, he gave you a brain that can do some pretty amazing things, and we only use a small percentage of that brain power. Didn't your bible also say that Jesus said you don't really need a church but just to pray? You have to remember, the bible came hundreds of years after Jesus died. If I told you what my great-great grandfather said because my mother told me and her mother told her and her father told her, would you honestly think that I knew the whole story and got every part of it correct?



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Agoyahtah

All the answers to every question you could possibly want to know are already in the Bible.


No they're not.

At best - - the original writings were earthly man trying to explain something he did not fully understand.

Then there were the scribes - - mostly novice priests - - translating everything from the perspective of an omnipotent God. Hardly unbiased transcripts.

If the bible was so straight forward - - - there would be no need to classify the 1500 Christian faith groups in North America alone. www.religioustolerance.org...



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by Agoyahtah

Originally posted by nunyadammm

Then you have no clue what you or I are talking about.
If you are closing your eyes and imagining, what are you imagining? Something that excites you? Are you closing your eyes and picturing the wall?



I'm controlling my body, my emotions, and my mind, with my will.

I'm not flitting about hither and thither on the winds of change like a feather in the wind that knowest not where it goeth.



So you cannot answer my very simple question?
What are you thinking about that gets you excited while you are looking at that wall with your eyes closed?
If it is not the wall, then you killed your own argument.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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All the answers to every question you could possibly want to know are already in the Bible.

Really? I have a few questions, perhaps you could point out chapter and verse where I can find the answers?

1. Why are there multiple Gods in the Bible, and most wish to be called "Lord?"
Some of the Gods Mentioned in the Bible

2. In Hebrew, the Rabbi's name is Yeshua. Why was a name made up for the Rabbi, one that had a new letter just 500 years ago, the "J," and Vowels which are not in the Hebrew language at all?

3. Why was the Rabbi made into a God, when clearly God commanded his people not to have any other Gods before him?

a. If the Rabbi, a flesh and blood human male, could become a God, then why do Christians say a man cannot ever be a God?

4. What does the Bible itself say about its own "infallibility"?

a. The Bible often says, "Thus sayeth the Lord...," but no one was around at the time to hear what was said. Doesn't things such as this bother a Christian?

5. Christians often say, "The prophecies in the Bible prove its authority as the word of God.” But then there is no basis at all to assume that all the events described in the Bible ever occurred in actual history. Isn't this what a Myth is?

6. Christians often say that Satan, meaning the Serpent of Eden, it seems, is a "Murderer from the Beginning, and the Father of all Lies," based solely on what is said in John 8:44?

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

And yet, the Bible records only two questionable deaths attributed to Satan, and not a single lie? With so little real evidence that the passage in John is True, why is it widely believed? Could this be the effects of Born Again Brainwashing?

I will go now, and allow you to process these questions, and see if you can provide adequate answers. If you are so inclined, I have about a 100 more questions. And know this, the reason I left the Church was they could not answer my questions.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Well, sadly Christian fundamentalists are the most vocal Christians...and they spread hate (against gays, against other religions, against those not conforming to their laughable dogmas, etc.), so no wonder that's the view people have.

Those Christian hate mongers make it really easy for people to stop taking their entire religion seriously



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by autowrench
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All the answers to every question you could possibly want to know are already in the Bible.

Really? I have a few questions, perhaps you could point out chapter and verse where I can find the answers?

1. Why are there multiple Gods in the Bible, and most wish to be called "Lord?"
Some of the Gods Mentioned in the Bible



Yes, there are many Lords, they are all called "Lord", but yet there is only one LORD that made them all.



For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel,
... KJV Isaiah 43:3


Even every one that is called by my name: for I have
created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
KJV Isaiah 43:7


So, you see, the Bible acknowledges multiple Lords, but in Isaiah He tell us clearly that all these beings called by his name "Lord" were created, formed, and made by him the LORD.




2. In Hebrew, the Rabbi's name is Yeshua. Why was a name made up for the Rabbi, one that had a new letter just 500 years ago, the "J," and Vowels which are not in the Hebrew language at all?


Because then in English, JESUS == MESSIAH, when you add the letters, A=1, B=2, C=3,...Z=26. It's gematria. The truths are confirmed by the numbers. Sorry, there are no particular verses for this. You just have to see it. Everything is ordered according to the numbers, like Jesus says, even your hair,



But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. KJV Matthew 10:30


This is just to confirm that Jesus is the same Messiah that the Jews were waiting for.



3. Why was the Rabbi made into a God, when clearly God commanded his people not to have any other Gods before him?


The Rabbi doesn't "replace God". When Jesus was asked who should people worship, how should they pray, he said this,



And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. KJV Luke 11:2



Jesus never said, "forget God the Father, now bow down and pray to Me instead."



a. If the Rabbi, a flesh and blood human male, could become a God, then why do Christians say a man cannot ever be a God?


Man is already part of God. But, he is not the WHOLE GOD.



Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? KVJ 1 Corinthians 3:16

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. KJV John 10:33

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? KJV John 10:34

If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; KJV John 10:35



So, all beings with divine spark don't have all the same equal powers.




4. What does the Bible itself say about its own "infallibility"?


I know of no faults in the Bible.


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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by nunyadammm

What are you thinking about that gets you excited while you are looking at that wall with your eyes closed?
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It's my thought. I know of nothing else. There is only one thing that produces one effect.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Agoyahtah

Jesus tells us why he came,


There is nothing that proves Mythical Biblical Jesus ever existed.

If something extraordinary actually happened - - - - man of that time explained it in earthly terms that made sense to him.



Something extraordinary must have happened, you're thinking about him You know the name Jesus. How many other people who lived 2000 years ago do you also know by name?



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by Agoyahtah

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Agoyahtah

Jesus tells us why he came,


There is nothing that proves Mythical Biblical Jesus ever existed.

If something extraordinary actually happened - - - - man of that time explained it in earthly terms that made sense to him.



Something extraordinary must have happened, you're thinking about him


No I am not. Do not attempt to put words in my mouth.


You know the name Jesus.


I was raised Christian.


How many other people who lived 2000 years ago do you also know by name?


You mean people where there is actual proof of their existence?

List of philosophers born in the centuries BC: en.wikipedia.org...








posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by EndlessFire

Did you miss the part where I said people made the bible(on the instruction of a Roman king) and people lie? Everything else was just me trying to get you to open your mind a little and think for yourself. You are obviously one of those people who will follow blindly the traditions and teachings of your parents and ancestors without question.


I don't follow anything without question. If I can't understand why it is, I simply ignore it. I only follow those rules that I understand. When you read the verses in the scripture, either you will understand them, or you won't.

Christians don't try to get other people to understand the scriptures. They may reveal their own understanding. But, basically, the only job the Christian has is to make others aware that the scriptures exist, and to point to the verses themselves. The all powerful God can make anyone understand the verse, or not. It's his will.

A man has no power to make another man understand.

The only power a man has is a "voice" to make the words heard.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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Pretending the bible is flawless and answering everything isn't rational given that it is proven to be scientifically wrong in hundreds of cases.

Now, everyone has the right to believe whatever they want...there's only a problem if believers try to force others to follow their beliefs. Like preventing others to marry based on their sexuality, or preventing women what they can or cannot do without any scientific rational basis for it, and so on.

Sadly a lot of Christians (the vocal ones at least) do just that. And those actions are hateful. They might not see it as hateful, but given that their actions lack any sort of rationality makes it dogmatic and draconian.
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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

No I am not. Do not attempt to put words in my mouth.



Before your hand can type the word Jesus, into a post here, your mind must hold the thought "Jesus" at least for a short time.

I did not say you spent all day long thinking about the Lord Jesus. Only that you must think about him, to talk about him, so he occupies your mind already. Therefore you have begun to worship him.

To "WORSHIP" means to dwell upon, to rest your mind on that thing, to give it your "attention".

For example, some people spend most of their time "worshiping money".

That's what they spend most of their day on. Thoughts of how to make money, save money, earn interest, invest, spend money, etc..it's worship.

Some people worship sex. That's what they spend their time on. Looking at girls, or guys, fantasizing about encounters, reading romance novels, viewing porno movies, and adult magazines, etc..it's worship.

Others worship science. That's what they spend they day on. Measuring things, reading scientific journals and articles, designing experiments, writing up papers on their scientific discoveries, etc..it's worship.

The Christians put aside one day of the week, usually Sunday, to turn all their worshiping towards the Lord only.

On that day they just worship him. They talk about the Lord, they read the scriptures, they discuss the historical Jesus, they pray, etc..it's worship.

Some people worship the president, or his image. Every time the president appears on TV they rush to turn on the TV set, to give all their attention to what he has to say,



And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. KJV Revelation 13:15


they worship the image. etc...

So, the few times you held the name Jesus in your mind, you worshiped him, perhaps without realizing it.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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To "WORSHIP" means to dwell upon, to rest your mind on that thing, to give it your "attention".


It really doesn't...




wor·ship   [wur-ship] Show IPA noun, verb, wor·shiped, wor·ship·ing or ( especially British ) wor·shipped, wor·ship·ping.
noun
1.
reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
2.
formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
3.
adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
4.
the object of adoring reverence or regard.
5.
( initial capital letter ) British . a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station (usually preceded by Your, His, or Her ).


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And no, simply thinking about something doesn't automatically mean you worship it. If I think about Jesus I don't automatically worship him, just like I don't automatically worship unicorns if I think about them.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by Agoyahtah

Originally posted by Annee

No I am not. Do not attempt to put words in my mouth.



Before your hand can type the word Jesus, into a post here, your mind must hold the thought "Jesus" at least for a short time.


My post: If something extraordinary actually happened - - - - man of that time explained it in earthly terms that made sense to him.

No Jesus mentioned.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by Agoyahtah

I did not say you spent all day long thinking about the Lord Jesus. Only that you must think about him, to talk about him, so he occupies your mind already. Therefore you have begun to worship him.


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I am not focusing on Jesus. I can assure you of that.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ

And no, simply thinking about something doesn't automatically mean you worship it. If I think about Jesus I don't automatically worship him, just like I don't automatically worship unicorns if I think about them.


Perhaps you can tell me then, how is your worship different?



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

I am not focusing on Jesus. I can assure you of that.



Every time you mention the name Jesus, he blesses you. You're on your way.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by Agoyahtah

Originally posted by MrXYZ

And no, simply thinking about something doesn't automatically mean you worship it. If I think about Jesus I don't automatically worship him, just like I don't automatically worship unicorns if I think about them.


Perhaps you can tell me then, how is your worship different?



I posted the definition, that should make it pretty clear why your definition is wrong




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