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If he'd have NOT filed for tax exempt status, I'd have still supported him. But now?
I see a lot of potential cult members on this thread, who because a leader claims to be christian, run to their side to defend them under the name of freedom, everyone else be damned. These people are total Manson fodder.
The way I see it, he benefitted from the tax exempt status.
The thread title is misleading - a pastor was not jailed for bible study, he was jailed for knowingly building a church in a neighborhood where he wasn't allowed to build one. No one is being unduly prosecuted here. If this man wants to start a church then he needs to find an appropriate place for it. Why should the rules change for him?
We the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution.
Section 1. A frequent recurrence to fundamental principles is essential to the security of individual rights and the perpetuity of free government.
Section 2. All political power is inherent in the people, and governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and are established to protect and maintain individual rights.
Section 3. The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the land.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Your argument speaks to the broader picture, re; tax exempt status and what the "state" defines as a church. But it also is up to the individual, is it not, to what he calls it?
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
No prohibitions to the free exercise of religion.
These are the rules and the fundamental principles by which every state within this Union have an obligation to uphold, protect, and defend. All subsequent statutes, codes and ordinances must be harmonious with these fundamental principles if they are to have any weight or force of law. These are the rules.
Your argument speaks to the broader picture, re; tax exempt status and what the "state" defines as a church. But it also is up to the individual, is it not, to what he calls it?
The AZ pastor could have called his room anything he wanted and used it accordingly. But since he officially called it a church, he supplied the ammunition for his own ambush.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
The simple fact of the matter, and I say this as a point of Law, is that neither you, I, or anyone else in this thread has any lawful authority to make a church subject to this ever so and increasingly odious "income" tax.
That he applied for this 501c3 status, which the IRS charges a ridiculous fee as a condition of acceptance, is hardly enough evidence to condemn a man over a tax law not a single goddamned soul understands.
But he vouluntarily applied for this status knowing that caveats would be introduced with this change. Should a simple line on an IRS form dictate the status? No.
Originally posted by otherpotato
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Given that he was trying to work the tax system to his advantage I'm not sure he would welcome your defense. I'm just sayin.'
At any rate I see where you are trying to go but this is not a subject I feel like debating today.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by beezzer
But he vouluntarily applied for this status knowing that caveats would be introduced with this change. Should a simple line on an IRS form dictate the status? No.
He's not in jail or in any trouble because of any IRS status. You know that. You've withdrawn your support of this man over the IRS status.