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A Challenge to Chemtrail Believers - Explain this 1969 Issue of Popular Science:

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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by SpittinTruth
[The space shuttle was an EXAMPLE!

Of what? Water falling through the atmosphere??


Perhaps you mean of atmospheric criction heating something as it falls?

If that is the case then it is not really relevant to ice and rain - they fall much too slowly to be heated by the friction.

They do sometimes evaporate before hitting the ground though - that is called virga - it is quite easy to see. The evaporation of virga is due to the temperature & humidity of the atmosphere - not atmospheric friction.


However, you still didn't answer my question...why were there NO TRAILS left behind the plane that just passed by???? 1st one all day! And no.....i'm no where CLOSE to an airport. And yes, it was APPROXIMATELY the same distance as yesterday's set of planes...that were constant...all day long!


I did answer it - I'll answer it again - if atmospheric conditions are not suitable for the formation of contrails then you do not get contrails, and when they are suitable you do get contrails.

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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by SpittinTruth


Imma just wait another year, when these chemtrails become talked about, on a for real level, and their true purpose is revealed. I mean, they've already told us..what they're doing...we just believe these are their "plans" and their "plans" have yet to come to fruition. That...makes you pretty NAIVE!


I heard that 4 years ago.

Don't you be so naive as to think that I and others haven't looked long and hard at the chemtrail phenom.

As far as 9/11 goes I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss that one, there are question marks for sure, big ones. But this thread isn't about 9/11 or eugenics etc.






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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by network dude
I see how this works now.

Debunker: "look at these thousands of scientific sources that explain why contrails are like clouds!"

Chemmie: " Your stupid, your a disinfo agent! I know what I see! i don't need your science, I have my chicken bones I can throw against the wall to find my truth!"

Clearly the chemmies have it right. Silly science.


In all seriousness, you're damn right.
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Man, please! It's a lot deeper than that. Sure, your science says one thing, while it's "researching" something else. Excuse me for being so damn skeptical, regarding the plans of the "elite", ptb, or whatever the heck you want to call them.

If "science" was so wonderful.....when do we get to enjoy it's beauty; besides with I-pods and stuff. Where is all this science being applied.........for OUR benefit??? Please do...explain? Science didn't help with my mom's cancer, it didn't help with my friend's child's autism; it hasn't helped alzheimers. It hasn't reduced starvation. It really hasn't done anything, we couldn't live without! Has it?

You know what happens to REAL scientists...like Tesla??? Need i continue?



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by petrus4
You are completely correct in making the assumption that I do not give a damn about the words of the "experts," if something is verifiable within my own direct experience.


Just curious, have you verified that the earth is round yet? Or do you hold the flat and round earth theories in equal weight, until you get round to checking it?

What about the germ theory of disease, have you verified that?

We build upon the work of others. Sure you can verify things, but you don't need to verify everything.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by SpittinTruth
You know what happens to REAL scientists...like Tesla??? Need i continue?


Exactly the point.

As I have nothing against Islam, so I have nothing against science. In the case of both, however, the majority of those who claim to be its' most ardent and fanatical disciples, are generally also those who are in fact the greatest infidels of the faith which they profess. I will no longer tolerate what I quite seriously view as science's answer to Al Qaeda.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by petrus4

I defy and repudiate you and all of your kind. I will not be cowed by you, and I will not continue to willingly be subjected to your intellectual tyranny.


That would be the intellectual tyranny of science that brings you the electricity that runs the computer...and the computer itself....that yuo wrote this on? That brings you your car, and clean water?

That says that claims need to have some good evidence to be accepted?

so you reject that - you're saying you are better off accepting unsupported assertion and unproveable claims that often result in poverty, crime, diseas and death, rather than stuff that can actually be verified and which enables you to live he life you live?

just checking if that is the tyranny you are referring to??

BTW I'm sure you won't like it - but as an atheist I have a very good idea of my own self worth - moreso I think because I do not need any magical fairy to reveal it to me.

Just sayin'



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by seabhac-rua

Originally posted by SpittinTruth


Imma just wait another year, when these chemtrails become talked about, on a for real level, and their true purpose is revealed. I mean, they've already told us..what they're doing...we just believe these are their "plans" and their "plans" have yet to come to fruition. That...makes you pretty NAIVE!


I heard that 4 years ago.

Don't you be so naive as to think that I and others haven't looked long and hard at the chemtrail phenom.

As far as 9/11 goes I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss that one, there are question marks for sure, big ones. But this thread isn't about 9/11 or eugenics etc.



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Well, chemtrails fits into the big picture of eugenics...so...let's not dismiss it. And, you may have heard it 4 years ago....but it doesn't mean it isn't already going on. Conveniently enough.....this list seemed to get buried in utter NON-SENSE. So tell me, why were they seeking Patents on ways to make clouds, fog, mist and other goodies, that have come to fruition, in 2012.

2510867 - October 9, 1951 - Method of Crystal Formation and Precipitation
2582678 - June 15, 1952 - Material Disseminating Apparatus For Airplanes
2591988 - April 8, 1952 - Production of TiO2 Pigments - Referenced in 3899144
2614083 - October 14, 1952 - Metal Chloride Screening Smoke Mixture
2633455 - March 31, 1953 - Smoke Generator
2688069 - August 31, 1954 - Steam Generator - Referenced in 3990987
2721495 - October 25, 1955 - Method And Apparatus For Detecting Minute Crystal Forming Particles Suspended in a Gaseous Atmosphere
2730402 - January 10, 1956 - Controllable Dispersal Device
2801322 - July 30, 1957 - Decomposition Chamber for Monopropellant Fuel - Referenced in 3990987
2881335 - April 7, 1959 - Generation of Electrical Fields
2908442 - October 13, 1959 - Method For Dispersing Natural Atmospheric Fogs And Clouds
2986360 - May 30, 1962 - Aerial Insecticide Dusting Device 2963975 - December 13, 1960 - Cloud Seeding Carbon Dioxide Bullet 3126155 - March 24, 1964 - Silver Iodide Cloud Seeding Generator - Referenced in 3990987
3127107 - March 31, 1964 - Generation of Ice-Nucleating Crystals
3131131 - April 28, 1964 - Electrostatic Mixing in Microbial Conversions
3174150 - March 16, 1965 - Self-Focusing Antenna System
3234357 - February 8, 1966 - Electrically Heated Smoke Producing Device
3274035 - September 20, 1966 - Metallic Composition For Production of Hydroscopic Smoke
3300721 - January 24, 1967 - Means For Communication Through a Layer of Ionized Gases
3313487 - April 11, 1967 - Cloud Seeding Apparatus
3338476 - August 29, 1967 - Heating Device For Use With Aerosol Containers - Referenced in
3990987 3410489 - November 12, 1968 - Automatically Adjustable Airfoil Spray System With Pump
3429507 - February 25, 1969 - Rainmaker

Chemtrail related patents

Some pretty crazy ideas...if you ask me. Try getting a patent for something like that....in today's world.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:15 PM
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Dude, science is anything involved with understanding the world around us.

There are as much good things science has given us as there are bad things, it depends on your perspective.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by Uncinus

Just curious, have you verified that the earth is round yet? Or do you hold the flat and round earth theories in equal weight, until you get round to checking it?


Yes, I do consider the Earth to be round. I've seen photographs of the Earth from space, and some of said photographs dated from a time before photographic tampering was easily achievable.

However, it is not merely a case of accepting it on the basis of someone else's photographs. My own reason tells me that the Earth would have to be round; if it were not, I would have expected to hear or see accounts of ships and other things falling off the edge of it.

It can also be verified by looking at a number of the other natural objects that we've been able to see; spiral galaxies, as one example, to see that the circular shape (or the torus) is one of the fundamental shapes which Nature uses, for the design of things. The Moon is circular, and if you look into meteorology at all, you will quickly see how a circular shape is necessary for the circulation of the air and water around the planet.

I cannot see how our weather system would be possible, if the Earth were a flat plane, and I truthfully cannot even see how that theory is compatible with what is directly observable on the ground. Are mountains and vallies flat? They are not; so truthfully, the flat Earth does not really exist anywhere at all.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:21 PM
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I heard of chemtrails a long time before that. And like I said I've been paying attention, I live here too.

So far, I don't see anything solid, but that's me. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence and so on.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by petrus4

I defy and repudiate you and all of your kind. I will not be cowed by you, and I will not continue to willingly be subjected to your intellectual tyranny.


That would be the intellectual tyranny of science that brings you the electricity that runs the computer...and the computer itself....that yuo wrote this on? That brings you your car, and clean water?

That says that claims need to have some good evidence to be accepted?

so you reject that - you're saying you are better off accepting unsupported assertion and unproveable claims that often result in poverty, crime, diseas and death, rather than stuff that can actually be verified and which enables you to live he life you live?

just checking if that is the tyranny you are referring to??

BTW I'm sure you won't like it - but as an atheist I have a very good idea of my own self worth - moreso I think because I do not need any magical fairy to reveal it to me.

Just sayin'


Boy, i'm sorry...i didn't know we couldn't live without electricity. Yup...science at it's best. Hey, i got a computer...but no food on the table. hahahahahaha friggin' today's moron.

So, again, i ask...when does science start to benefit US? If i had to chose between, food and electricity....which do you think i'd prefer? And, how EXACTLY has science helped solve today's hunger problems? There's still people, all around the world...dying of starvation. Where is all this SCIENCE, you speak of?

OH, i forgot.........they work for Monsanto. My bad!

Some of you people are so ignorant, it's sickening!!! WE can spend Trillions of dollars to send our fancy satellites up in space, to take pictures; and we still can't even feed hungry people. Yeah....thumbs up, to us EARTHLINGS!

We should be depopulated with that mentality!



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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It's ok, most skeptics aren't bigots like yourself and are able to take on any and all opinions regardless of their religious beliefs.

You can't.

You are filled with hate and repugnance towards anyone atheist and you somehow continue to get away with it despite the fact that ATS has been cracking down on hate speech...



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by petrus4

I defy and repudiate you and all of your kind. I will not be cowed by you, and I will not continue to willingly be subjected to your intellectual tyranny.


That would be the intellectual tyranny of science that brings you the electricity that runs the computer...and the computer itself....that yuo wrote this on? That brings you your car, and clean water?


This is sarcasm, again intended as a form of condescension, and it is again rejected.

It is entirely because of the fact that I am aware of what happened to at least some of the individuals who were responsible for these inventions, that I reject the circle jerk.

You confuse the gnat swallowing pedantry, the worship of academia, and the relentless lack of integrity of insectoid, narrow minded, armchair atheists, with actual science. The two things are fundamentally unrelated.

For most atheists to attempt to wrap themselves in the proverbial flag of science, is as much a hollow, vile, hypocritical farce, as it is for most Christians, who in an argument, will insist on equating disagreement with them, and fundamental disagreement with and rejection of God.
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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by SpittinTruth



- etc

3313487 - April 11, 1967 - Cloud Seeding Apparatus
3338476 - August 29, 1967 - Heating Device For Use With Aerosol Containers - Referenced in
3990987 3410489 - November 12, 1968 - Automatically Adjustable Airfoil Spray System With Pump
3429507 - February 25, 1969 - Rainmaker

Chemtrail related patents


It's a long list - are there any I missed from here??


Some pretty crazy ideas...if you ask me. Try getting a patent for something like that....in today's world.


Boeing and Airbus are still getting some patents for strange ideas as of 2008, and at least 1 of this site's 10 wierdest inventions for 2011 is noted as being "patent pending".

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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by seabhac-rua
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I heard of chemtrails a long time before that. And like I said I've been paying attention, I live here too.

So far, I don't see anything solid, but that's me. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence and so on.



You've seen nothing "solid"...and you live on this planet?
Didn't 26 states declare a drought recently? What's that got to do with Chemtrails?
You'll figure it out.

PS....He that controls the weather, rules the world! Question is: can we control the weather? Answer: ABSOLUTELY! Science my friend, science! It's a double edged sword.

PSS...if TPTB cared.....we would all have free electricity. But, they don't give a sh*t about you or your family. I guess that's not solid enough, right?



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by SpittinTruth



- etc

3313487 - April 11, 1967 - Cloud Seeding Apparatus
3338476 - August 29, 1967 - Heating Device For Use With Aerosol Containers - Referenced in
3990987 3410489 - November 12, 1968 - Automatically Adjustable Airfoil Spray System With Pump
3429507 - February 25, 1969 - Rainmaker

Chemtrail related patents


It's a long list - are there any I missed from here??


Some pretty crazy ideas...if you ask me. Try getting a patent for something like that....in today's world.


Boeing and Airbus are still getting some patents for strange ideas as of 2008, and at least 1 of this site's 10 wierdest inventions for 2011 is noted as being "patent pending".

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Boeing? You mean the war machine? That Boeing? Yes, keep speaking....you're convincing me soooooo much, to believe in your "contrail" theories. lol I am......enjoying this tho'.

BTW: did you know that science says E=MC2 is wrong! Again, i'll let YOU figure that one out!



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by SpittinTruth
So, again, i ask...when does science start to benefit US? If i had to chose between, food and electricity....which do you think i'd prefer?


Well if it was a binary choice with no other considerations tehn not staving to death is certainly an attractive proposition.



And, how EXACTLY has science helped solve today's hunger problems? There's still people, all around the world...dying of starvation. Where is all this SCIENCE, you speak of?


It is on every western farm, and many in 3rd world countries too.

The economic system that allows science to increase food production so there is more than enough to feed everyone, and yet stops the food from beign distributed to al those who need it is the problem here - not eth science.


OH, i forgot.........they work for Monsanto. My bad!

Some of you people are so ignorant, it's sickening!!! WE can spend Trillions of dollars to send our fancy satellites up in space, to take pictures; and we still can't even feed hungry people. Yeah....thumbs up, to us EARTHLINGS!


as I said - we produce plenty of food - it is the people who dont' like the idea of distributing it to those who need it that are the problem - apparently it is more important to maintain prices to farmers and that sort of thing than to feed starving millions.

After all giving food to the needy is so socialist......whereas price support for western farmers isn't...somehow......


We should be depopulated with that mentality!


Indeed



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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:32 PM
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Alright try this: instead of the word 'science' use the word 'understand'.

If you're on a ship it's our understanding(science) of buoyancy that keeps that big hunk of steel from sinking and you having to swim for your dinner.

If you're on a plane...well you know what I mean.

People demonize science because of the semantical connotations its brings into their minds, and that's a damn shame. The human race needs science, it's what we do, science is our brains at work.



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