Geoengineering research began as a war tactic in the 1940s for the US and the Soviet Union during the Cold War.[49] During the Vietnam War, the US used geoengineering to flood certain areas. Then in 1976, 85 countries signed the U.N. Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques.[47]
The Environmental Modification Convention generally prohibits weaponising geoengineering techniques. However, this does not eliminate the risk. Geoengineering techniques may serve as weapons of mass destruction, creating droughts or famines designed to destroy or disable an enemy.[76] They could also be used simply to make battlefield conditions more favourable to one side or the other in a war[77] (such as in Operation Popeye). For example, laser-guided weapons are confounded by clouds, and thus switching off cloud machines would favour forces using such weapons, and switching them on would favour ground forces defending against them.[78]
Whilst laws or treaties may prevent the manipulation of the climate as a weapon of war,[79] it could be argued that geoengineering is itself a manipulation, and thus destroying or disabling the geoengineering structures is not prohibited. A new legal framework may be necessary in the event that large-scale geoengineering becomes established.[original research?]
Carnegie's Ken Caldeira said, "It will make it harder to achieve broad consensus on developing and governing these technologies if there is suspicion that gaining military advantage is an underlying motivation for its development..."[80]



So... A magazine with an agenda says they are fine. That means you believe it?

EDIT: I am living in the new dustbowl (Indiana) and i witness these trails killing clouds on a daily basis. I have timelapsed pictures that show how when clouds reach a particular altitude, they just dessipate and die. The chemicals are kept at a specific altitude, just as oxygen is kept to a particular altitude as governed by our earth's unseen forces. Once clouds reach the elevation of the chemicals, manmade science unfolds.

Originally posted by chadderson
So... A magazine with an agenda says they are fine. That means you believe it?

It's not at all about saying it is fine - in fact the article says these contrails cirrus might be quite a problem. It's about saying that natural jet contrails persist and spread, and always have.

The science in 1969 says they did. Do you claim the science in 1969 was fake, or propaganda? 30 years before anyone noticed "chemtrails", you think they were trying to tell people it was okay by publishing things that anyone could see were untrue?

Now i argue neither for nor against the chem-trails, however do not dumb down chemtrail believers to rednecks with to much time, just like the mainstream labels us tin foil hats.

I agree, there are videos on youtube, that make the whole chem trail scenario seam implausible, and in some cases videos where they are blatantly claiming contrails to be "chemtrails", and those who claim every thing is a chemtrail. But lets be honest, i can find videos completely miss representing pretty much any theory on here, making is sound like utter BS.

However, i can tell you, that those who truly believe in chem trails and went done their research believe along these lines :

1. First of, only a few, unmarked and specially fitted airplanes spread the Chemicals
2. Contrails are normal, and can cause cloud cover
3. Will refer to instances, when the unmarked planes, did checker patterns back and forth (with multiple visible U turns, just back and fourth)
4. Incidents, where after checkered sky, local epidemics start (Only very few of these)

So they do NOT believe, that every single aircraft is part of a depopulation conspiracy, nor do they deny contrails, or the lasting effect of them. They are claiming a conspiracy, where the military or private companies, are flying with specially fitted passenger planes which have been fitted with chem tanks instead.

Deny Ignorance

Namaste

Originally posted by chadderson
You realize that your claim that "most believers think X" is a completely relative, and otherwise baseless statement.

I'm basing that on my interactions with the believers. I've talked with a lot of them, in real life and online. I've also conducted an online survey. Based on that, most of them seem to believe in the "contrails always dissipate" hoax.

I do see what your intent here was. It is to prove that "normal" jet trails can create clouds.

And also to demonstrate that the chemtrail promoters are spreading deliberate untruths. There's no way they can study this to the extent that they make their living from it, and not have found out by now that their science is bogus. They deliberately choose to not tell the truth.

Originally posted by WiseThinker
Yet this conversations keeps getting thrashed by stupid arguments like do Contrails persist or not, when there are videos of unmarked planes, suddenly having a contrail, then not, and then again, at the same altitude.

It's hardly a stupid argument if it's the basis of the chemtrail theory, that 90% of the chemtrail believers think it's true, and yet it's wrong.

And on/off contrails are also covered perfectly by the science, another thing the promoters ignore.

Then it is settled. Jet trails can cause clouds, and jet trails can also dessipate entirely. I guess i began spouting on for no real reason as you never indicated any disagreement.

Yeah...well....today, the planes were out, in force...1 after another. I saw 6 planes within 1/2 hour. Even recorded it on my digital camera. You know the strange part? They haven't been out in 2 months. Even stranger??? They were spraying non-stop on Christmas...and just about every day since....til about 2 months ago...when they stopped. And now, they're back. This, i would looooooove to hear an 'excuse' for.

You know what else is strange? All of a sudden...there have been 2 posts TODAY...regarding chemtrails/geo-engineering. What's up with that??? Why....today? Why the planes....why the discussion regarding these mysterious streaks you call: "lingering con-trails". All just a coincidence, right?

"They" probably caused this drought. Now, they're gonna make it rain. Maybe, that's why music industry artists, call TPTB, "rain-man".