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A Challenge to Chemtrail Believers - Explain this 1969 Issue of Popular Science:

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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:32 PM
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The part that stands out to me on a heavy spray day, is not just the crud coming out of the jets and spreading out and lingering fairly low to the ground what sometimes only seems to be roughly 10 or 12 stories high, but the amount of sudden air travel. Like everybody got 90% off on their tickets and decide to all travel on the same day....lol. How does that not stand out to someone? Hardly a jet in the sky for 4 or 5 days, and bam, a barrage of jets in the sky, with most of their trails coincidentally starting in the same area in the sky. I can see where the trails start, and they rarely start in the centre over my town or on the way out. They usually seem to turn on just before approaching the town (coincidentally).
If you watch you can blatently see it happen.
If the jets travelling over my town where even a little bit consistant everyday it wouldn't be so obvious. Unlike a spray day, on the days of normal commercial air travel, coincidentally there seems to be a nice little contrail following behind and 99% of the time the plane is travelling in a straight line which seems normal.
On a heavy spray day a buddy and me joke around about their spray op schedule, we say, okay they started around 5:30 in the morning, they will spray until noon, and comeback to do more passes around 1:30-2:00, and a lot of the time we are right...lol. And really we arent psychic, these are patterns that we notice.
The other funny thing is when they are spraying and it starts to get windy, all of the jets leave, WOW another coincidence. Anyway, maybe these are all just coincedences, but my spidy sences tell me something isn't right when we can predict what these planes are going to do most of the time.
Just like the people who bash the 911 truthers, okay so they held drills that morning of planes flying into building's, and guys in caves totally tricked Norad from the outside, and look at all that plane debris, oops I mean just a hole in the ground, and the terrorists decided to do a crazy low flying loop to take out the furthest wall from them in the pentagon......Wake up people.....Common sense, Im getting so bored of people accepting everything and skipping over the obvious clue's. The trolls seem to be winning on this site. This is the big change I have noticed over the years on this site also. The conditioning from TPTB seem to be working on a lot of the new generation.
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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by SpittinTruth

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by SpittinTruth



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3313487 - April 11, 1967 - Cloud Seeding Apparatus
3338476 - August 29, 1967 - Heating Device For Use With Aerosol Containers - Referenced in
3990987 3410489 - November 12, 1968 - Automatically Adjustable Airfoil Spray System With Pump
3429507 - February 25, 1969 - Rainmaker

Chemtrail related patents


It's a long list - are there any I missed from here??


Some pretty crazy ideas...if you ask me. Try getting a patent for something like that....in today's world.


Boeing and Airbus are still getting some patents for strange ideas as of 2008, and at least 1 of this site's 10 wierdest inventions for 2011 is noted as being "patent pending".

edit on 19-7-2012 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)


Boeing? You mean the war machine? That Boeing? Yes, keep speaking....you're convincing me soooooo much, to believe in your "contrail" theories. lol I am......enjoying this tho'.


Yes - that Boeing - they are getting wierd patents from as late as 2008 - that WAS your point wasn't it? That you thought wierd patents won't be granted in "today's world"??


Why are you avoiding your own qquestion??



BTW: did you know that science says E=MC2 is wrong! Again, i'll let YOU figure that one out!


I'm not as smart as Einstein so I don't think I am capable of figuring it out. But I am smart enough to think that you didn't either - I bet you read it off some site somewhere.

And I bet that site is full of nutwhackery too.

Wanna take me up on that bet??



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:35 PM
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reply to post by SpittinTruth
 


As far as chemtrails go, no nothing solid, as far as people being greedy a*holes, plenty.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:35 PM
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reply to post by weknowall
 


If the aircraft is flying how can you be sure its the same aircraft?
Grissom AFB at its height had 40+ KC-135R aircraft assigned.
They flew 5-10 of them a day on local training flights.
Once its in the air, you can not tell them apart because the only difference is the tail number.
They shoot pattern work for miles around the airfield for 4 -5 hours per sortie.

My source?
Me.
I worked on KC-135 aircraft for over 20 years after growing up right next to Grissom AFB in North Central Indiana (right about where you are if im not mistaken) and watched them criss cross the skies all day as a kid.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by SpittinTruth
So, again, i ask...when does science start to benefit US? If i had to chose between, food and electricity....which do you think i'd prefer?


Well if it was a binary choice with no other considerations tehn not staving to death is certainly an attractive proposition.



And, how EXACTLY has science helped solve today's hunger problems? There's still people, all around the world...dying of starvation. Where is all this SCIENCE, you speak of?


It is on every western farm, and many in 3rd world countries too.

The economic system that allows science to increase food production so there is more than enough to feed everyone, and yet stops the food from beign distributed to al those who need it is the problem here - not eth science.


OH, i forgot.........they work for Monsanto. My bad!

Some of you people are so ignorant, it's sickening!!! WE can spend Trillions of dollars to send our fancy satellites up in space, to take pictures; and we still can't even feed hungry people. Yeah....thumbs up, to us EARTHLINGS!


as I said - we produce plenty of food - it is the people who dont' like the idea of distributing it to those who need it that are the problem - apparently it is more important to maintain prices to farmers and that sort of thing than to feed starving millions.

After all giving food to the needy is so socialist......whereas price support for western farmers isn't...somehow......


We should be depopulated with that mentality!


Indeed


Ok...let me try to break it down for you. See, it goes like this: TPTB look for the smartest people on the planet. They employ them in one of there "shadow" companies, tell them they're doing it for the good of the people, use them, throw them away; with their ideas, research, and hard work left behind, for the POWERS they work for. Top scientist are HAND PICKED. They aren't there by accident.

Let me take it a step further....research TESLA. See what happened to him and his technology, then, come back and let's discuss this matter further. Indeed, science CAN and has helped....but it's not being allowed to help us 100%. TPTB just like throwing us a bone or 2; while they keep the entire carcass.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by SpittinTruth

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by SpittinTruth



- etc

3313487 - April 11, 1967 - Cloud Seeding Apparatus
3338476 - August 29, 1967 - Heating Device For Use With Aerosol Containers - Referenced in
3990987 3410489 - November 12, 1968 - Automatically Adjustable Airfoil Spray System With Pump
3429507 - February 25, 1969 - Rainmaker

Chemtrail related patents


It's a long list - are there any I missed from here??


Some pretty crazy ideas...if you ask me. Try getting a patent for something like that....in today's world.


Boeing and Airbus are still getting some patents for strange ideas as of 2008, and at least 1 of this site's 10 wierdest inventions for 2011 is noted as being "patent pending".

edit on 19-7-2012 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)


Boeing? You mean the war machine? That Boeing? Yes, keep speaking....you're convincing me soooooo much, to believe in your "contrail" theories. lol I am......enjoying this tho'.


Yes - that Boeing - they are getting wierd patents from as late as 2008 - that WAS your point wasn't it? That you thought wierd patents won't be granted in "today's world"??


Why are you avoiding your own qquestion??



BTW: did you know that science says E=MC2 is wrong! Again, i'll let YOU figure that one out!


I'm not as smart as Einstein so I don't think I am capable of figuring it out. But I am smart enough to think that you didn't either - I bet you read it off some site somewhere.

And I bet that site is full of nutwhackery too.

Wanna take me up on that bet??


Try to keep up...will you? Boeing is owned by who? The same people that give patents. hahahahaha You dont' know how the game works yet?

BTW: E=MC2 was proven wrong on 9-11. It's the law of physics.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by SpittinTruth
 


People demonize science because of the semantical connotations its brings into their minds, and that's a damn shame. The human race needs science, it's what we do, science is our brains at work.


As I have said; I do not demonise Islam. I demonise probably 50% of its' adherents, whose behaviour is reprehensible, and which adheres only to the latter, violent, abbrogated, and fundamentally non-divine elements of the Qu'ran.

Likewise, I do not demonise science. To the contrary. I demonise those skeptical materialists who think that they own science, and who refuse to accept the word of anyone about anything, unless said word comes from a specific group of individuals, who they have decided, completely arbitrarily, are the sole intellectual authorities in existence.

If I hated science, I would not hate skeptical materialism at all. I would probably even be a materialist myself.
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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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reply to post by petrus4
 


No, you pretty much just lump all atheists into the same basket...

And you're right, the staff here do have integrity and hopefully now that I've brought you to their attention, they will remove another venom spitting bigot from this website.

My apologies to the thread for going off topic, won't happen again.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:46 PM
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edit: completley off topic meanderings, sorry.
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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:46 PM
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What aircraft are they outfitting with these sprayers?
If you are so set in your ways that you cant let go of a conspiracy theory that has been proven to be nothing, surely you can give us something to look at.
I have seen picture after picture on here of aircraft flying and contrails streaming from the engine as is normal when there is moisture in the air at altitudes.
If we are to believe that special sprayers have been fitted to aircraft i need to know exactly what type of aircraft you believe has been fitted.
Are they airliners? are we to believe there are no people working for the airlines that wouldnt speak out if this was true?
The military?
That too would be interesting, i for one would blow it wide open if i knew it were happening and there are thousands in the military that would do the same today.
I have read through 22 pages of people giving perfect examples of what contrails are, they have explained why they are always different shapes, sizes, and duration of cloud.
Every answer that has been given can be verified on the internet at over 100 different sites.

The least those of you who are convinced of this plot can do is explain the type of aircraft, the type of sprayer system installed, and where these aircraft are flying out of.
I have seen ZERO proof and tons of denial.
I wont comment on the HAARP because i am an aircraft guy, not a radio frequency guy and i DONT TRUST THE GOVT. but the chemtrails i can speak on because trusting the govt or not, i know for a fact that it isnt happening.
I believe in a lot of conspiracy theories out there, but not this one.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by CaptAmerika
reply to post by squad51
 


What aircraft are they outfitting with these sprayers?
If you are so set in your ways that you cant let go of a conspiracy theory that has been proven to be nothing, surely you can give us something to look at.
I have seen picture after picture on here of aircraft flying and contrails streaming from the engine as is normal when there is moisture in the air at altitudes.
If we are to believe that special sprayers have been fitted to aircraft i need to know exactly what type of aircraft you believe has been fitted.
Are they airliners? are we to believe there are no people working for the airlines that wouldnt speak out if this was true?
The military?
That too would be interesting, i for one would blow it wide open if i knew it were happening and there are thousands in the military that would do the same today.
I have read through 22 pages of people giving perfect examples of what contrails are, they have explained why they are always different shapes, sizes, and duration of cloud.
Every answer that has been given can be verified on the internet at over 100 different sites.

The least those of you who are convinced of this plot can do is explain the type of aircraft, the type of sprayer system installed, and where these aircraft are flying out of.
I have seen ZERO proof and tons of denial.
I wont comment on the HAARP because i am an aircraft guy, not a radio frequency guy and i DONT TRUST THE GOVT. but the chemtrails i can speak on because trusting the govt or not, i know for a fact that it isnt happening.
I believe in a lot of conspiracy theories out there, but not this one.


Why do they need to add parts...when they just have to add stuff to the fuel? You do realize, your old car....could run on water, right? Sure, you need to convert a few parts...but you don't need to rip apart an entire engine, to modify it. And diesel cars, can practically run on garbage.

Speaking of cars.....have you ever seen one, completely built out of hemp????
Yeah, hemp. So much for 'science'. Again, we live on a CONTROLLED planet; from the food you eat, the clothes you wear, and the t.v. shows you apparently are 'tuned' into!



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by SpittinTruth
BTW: did you know that science says E=MC2 is wrong! Again, i'll let YOU figure that one out!


I'm not as smart as Einstein so I don't think I am capable of figuring it out. But I am smart enough to think that you didn't either - I bet you read it off some site somewhere.

And I bet that site is full of nutwhackery too.

Wanna take me up on that bet??


Try to keep up...will you? Boeing is owned by who? The same people that give patents. hahahahaha You dont' know how the game works yet?


so it's a game for you now?

Yeah I guess it is - I can see how it goes: You post something, get an answer, ignore it and wander off at a tangent declaiming how clever you are for ignoring information and posting drivel.

what do I get as first prize??


And how does Boeings ownership affect tehm getting patents for wierd stuff? Or the other ones I listed?


BTW: E=MC2 was proven wrong on 9-11. It's the law of physics.


And how is that then?

(I've got the popcorn & beer...this should be entertaining....
)


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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by SpittinTruth
 


As far as chemtrails go, no nothing solid, as far as people being greedy a*holes, plenty.


You mean, the same "greedy a*holes" running our planet....depriving us of real technology? Again, i say to you, TESLA should be example enough...of the evil that runs a muck on our planet!



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by SpittinTruth
Update: i just looked outside my window...and a plane is flying by...same altitude as yesterday's activity...and not a drop of 'trail' being left behind. Not 1 little speck. Why????? Not cold enough, way up there? And yes....i CAN see it! It's not hard seeing white plane in front of a blue-background!


Close, temp may be the same but the water vapor in the air is likely much lower.
You dont notice aircraft flying overhead on days that have low moisture content because they just flow from one area to another with no tell tale signs.
unless you spend all day staring straight up.
These answers are available for you to read about on 100's of different sites explaining weather and aviation.
No one can help you though if you choose to ignore the facts for your misguided opinions.
If you want to believe they are spraying you i suggest wearing a hat.
I for one will continue to not worry about a conspiracy theory that was put to rest years ago.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by petrus4
 


No, you pretty much just lump all atheists into the same basket...

And you're right, the staff here do have integrity and hopefully now that I've brought you to their attention, they will remove another venom spitting bigot from this website.

My apologies to the thread for going off topic, won't happen again.


Show me where I have engaged in sufficient, direct ad hominem, of a specific individual within this forum, that it would violate the terms and conditions, and I will agree with you that I deserve to be banned. I'm confident that you won't be able to do that.

I've made objections to a particular type of attitude, in general terms, and have also said that I reject that attitude and those who adhere to it. I have not engaged, however, in direct personal attacks towards anyone. Claims that I have engaged in "hate speech," as far as I'm concerned, demonstrate exactly the kind of lack of integrity, to which I was objecting in the first place.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by SpittinTruth

Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by SpittinTruth
 


As far as chemtrails go, no nothing solid, as far as people being greedy a*holes, plenty.


You mean, the same "greedy a*holes" running our planet....depriving us of real technology? Again, i say to you, TESLA should be example enough...of the evil that runs a muck on our planet!


I agree about Tesla and the greedy folk.
But the chemtrails conspiracy has been played out.
Its only followed now by people who refuse to accept facts.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul



Originally posted by SpittinTruth
BTW: did you know that science says E=MC2 is wrong! Again, i'll let YOU figure that one out!


I'm not as smart as Einstein so I don't think I am capable of figuring it out. But I am smart enough to think that you didn't either - I bet you read it off some site somewhere.

And I bet that site is full of nutwhackery too.

Wanna take me up on that bet??


Try to keep up...will you? Boeing is owned by who? The same people that give patents. hahahahaha You dont' know how the game works yet?


so it's a game for you now?

Yeah I guess it is - I can see how it goes: You post something, get an answer, ignore it and wander off at a tangent declaiming how clever you are for ignoring information and posting drivel.

what do I get as first prize??


And how does Boeings ownership affect tehm getting patents for wierd stuff? Or the other ones I listed?


BTW: E=MC2 was proven wrong on 9-11. It's the law of physics.


And how is that then?

(I've got the popcorn & beer...this should be entertaining....
)


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A game to me? Is that what you assume? It's not a game to me, but we are pawns in their game.

How is what? How did 9-11 change the laws of physics? I guess the fact that the buildings fell in 11 seconds... free fall speed...without resistance. What removed that resistance? According to the "official report"....the building "collapsed"? If it did "collapse" it would have taken longer than 11 seconds to do so...considering each floor would have slowed the process.

I thought you people were so 'smart'. Can't tell!!!!



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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I lost all faith with Popular Mechanics when they took the offensive for the Governments 911 conspiracy theory.

It is not that they agreed with it, it is the fact that they belittled those who questioned the story.

That is not science, that is bias.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by Uncinus

Just curious, have you verified that the earth is round yet? Or do you hold the flat and round earth theories in equal weight, until you get round to checking it?


Yes, I do consider the Earth to be round. I've seen photographs of the Earth from space, and some of said photographs dated from a time before photographic tampering was easily achievable.


What - the 1850's??



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by CaptAmerika

Originally posted by SpittinTruth

Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by SpittinTruth
 


As far as chemtrails go, no nothing solid, as far as people being greedy a*holes, plenty.


You mean, the same "greedy a*holes" running our planet....depriving us of real technology? Again, i say to you, TESLA should be example enough...of the evil that runs a muck on our planet!


I agree about Tesla and the greedy folk.
But the chemtrails conspiracy has been played out.
Its only followed now by people who refuse to accept facts.


Here's what you APPARENTLY miss: BOTH sides have facts. So, who's facts are right, and who's facts are wrong??? Therein lies the real dilemma!



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