It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

A Challenge to Chemtrail Believers - Explain this 1969 Issue of Popular Science:

page: 24
69
<< 21  22  23    25  26  27 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 01:11 AM
link   
@OP
ATS needs more SANE yet still skeptical members like you. Now more than ever with the massive amounts of street rabble and borderlines, running rampant, spewing their nonsensical idiocy.

One of the first concise and articulate threads I have read in a good long while on ATS.

S&F for you, sir.
edit on 20-7-2012 by inivux because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-7-2012 by inivux because: (no reason given)




posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 01:11 AM
link   
reply to post by GrinchNoMore
 




But of course this is all cool and normal for ya, question nothing Deny Everything.


Actually normal for me is never seeing a contrail over my head.

And where I live certainly isn't cool, so perhaps they should be spraying over head...?

You know...SRM...geo-engineering..combating global warning...all that jazz?



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 02:41 AM
link   
My roommate is the co-pilot on a Boeing 727, he just laughs about people who believe in chemtrails, they are contrails.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 03:47 AM
link   
reply to post by Uncinus
 


Well true or false or whatever, Bill Gates think you need millions of tons of Sulphur Dioxide sprayed on you.

Bill Gates pest control

SO2 as a pollutant




edit on 20-7-2012 by Ex_MislTech because: grammar



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 04:50 AM
link   
Could it be that all this silliness is simply to distract from the real issue?

The overuse of jet aircraft has a very pronounced detrimental effect on the quality of life on the ground. I can hear a jet as I type. The grounding here during the Icelandic eruption showed clearly that the amount and quality of light reaching us is dramatically reduced by jet smog. There was much comment on the improvements to mental health across the country. The almost constant distant roar of jet engines has a detrimental effect on mental health.

Instead of these silly arguments why don't you all grow up and discuss the real issue. All those addicted to air travel in jets are failing to pay for the massive damage they are causing with their childish lifestyle choices.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 06:26 AM
link   

Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
reply to post by Uncinus
 


Well true or false or whatever, Bill Gates think you need millions of tons of Sulphur Dioxide sprayed on you.

Bill Gates pest control


Not really, they are actually doing those tests with the aim of showing that such schemes are a bad idea.
www.thecrimson.com...

The British newspaper The Guardian published a story on Tuesday that said in its first sentence that two Harvard engineers are about to “spray sun-reflecting chemical particles into the atmosphere to artificially cool the planet.”

But according to one of the two engineers, James G. Anderson, that is not at all what he and his research partner David Keith are considering doing. “The irony is we are doing the opposite of that,” Anderson said, claiming that the article “completely massacred the facts.”

Anderson, a professor of atmospheric chemistry, said that the actual project idea—though it has not even been formally proposed yet—is to spray a small amount of chemicals into the air to test their effect on free radicals that could destroy ozone, not to change the planet’s climate.

“Our primary purpose is to protect the stratosphere by developing methods that will clearly demonstrate what the response of the stratospheric system is, without affecting the ozone,” Anderson said.

Rather than spraying chemicals in an effort to change the Earth’s climate, Anderson said his experiment would likely serve to eliminate the possibility of anyone doing exactly that, because it will prove that a climate-changing chemical blast would have adverse effects.


And Gates is not actually funding that experiment.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:23 AM
link   
reply to post by Uncinus
 


Debunking is not a synonym for trolling.
I know somebody who used to work for Monsanto. I prefer first-hand information.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:29 AM
link   

Originally posted by SpittinTruth

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by SpittinTruth
Everything we think we know....is a conspiracy, in and of itself. Not sure why you're so NAIVE and GULLIBLE. This aint about paranoia, this is about REALITY. A reality you know nothing about....apparently!


lol - the ol' Unified conspiracy theory - it such a predictable fallback.

are you in the Church of the Sub-genius??


Nah....i go to the church of REALITY! Reality is.....our lives are controlled. Call it what you want. Thankfully, i've spent the past 6 years....working on loosing their grip of control, in my personal life. I started by TURNING OFF THE friggin' TELEVISION. Which, BTW is the biggest form of control....on the planet! What other form of medium can brainwash and hypnotize MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people???


You're like a toddler trying to bash a square peg into a round hole with his little mallet.
No matter how anybody on here tries to explain to you how stuff works or show you your logical fallacies, you just put your hands over your ears and yell LALALALALALALA.
You my friend continiously spout on about how you are know 'in the know' but in reality you're just a believer, you have a belief system, you will not stray from that belief system, nothing you see or hear will make you deviate from it, in fact you will always be looking for ways to bolster that belief system. The church analogy is a good one, the conspiracy is your god, and you have blind faith in it.
It's patently obvious to anybody who's been following this thread that you don't care what anybody says about anything regarding this subject, and probably a whole slew of other infowars-ish topics, you have your mind made up and that's it.
Why do you bother coming on here and flaunting your lack of comprehension, do you think you're fighting the good fight or something?

You don't live in the real world mate you live in LALA land.
Best of luck, as far as I'm concerned your deluded ideologies are a waste of time and energy.
Sayonara, adios, slán, toodle-do, Hej då, auf wiedersehen.



edit on 20-7-2012 by seabhac-rua because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:53 AM
link   
Chemtrails can`t be debunked with references to popular scientific magazines that are even unable to talk about physics behind WTC 7 collapse. We know how reliable those large printing houses are, some are so reliable that they even have 6 reporters going to work simultaneously on a 200 yard strip along the Pentagon so they could report a striking aeroplane; go USA Today.
I have collected a lot of suspicious videos, follow the link and study the cases. Then report back.


www.alienscientist.com.../page3
edit on 08.15.09 by Advancedboy because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 07:57 AM
link   
U.S. patents dealing with accumulation of expertize in atmospheric aerosol spraying/ cloud seeding and their affiliate science fields as a precursor of suspect malfeasance.

1338343 – April 27, 1920 – Process And Apparatus For The Production of Intense Artificial Clouds, Fogs, or Mists
1665267 – April 10, 1928 – Process of Producing Artificial Fogs
1892132 – December 27, 1932 – Atomizing Attachment For Airplane Engine Exhausts
1957075 – May 1, 1934 – Airplane Spray Equipment
2550324 – April 24, 1951 – Process For Controlling Weather
2510867 – October 9, 1951 – Method of Crystal Formation and Precipitation
2582678 – June 15, 1952 – Material Disseminating Apparatus For Airplanes
2721495 – October 25, 1955 – Method And Apparatus For Detecting Minute Crystal Forming Particles Suspended in a Gaseous Atmosphere
2908442 – October 13, 1959 – Method For Dispersing Natural Atmospheric Fogs And Clouds
2963975 – December 13, 1960 – Cloud Seeding Carbon Dioxide Bullet
3126155 – March 24, 1964 – Silver Iodide Cloud Seeding Generator – Referenced in 3990987
3127107 – March 31, 1964 – Generation of Ice-Nucleating Crystals


3274035 – September 20, 1966 – Metallic Composition For Production of Hydroscopic Smoke
3300721 – January 24, 1967 – Means For Communication Through a Layer of Ionized Gases
3313487 – April 11, 1967 – Cloud Seeding Apparatus
3338476 – August 29, 1967 – Heating Device For Use With Aerosol Containers – Referenced in 3990987
3410489 – November 12, 1968 – Automatically Adjustable Airfoil Spray System With Pump
3429507 – February 25, 1969 – Rainmaker
3432208 – November 7, 1967 – Fluidized Particle Dispenser
3441214 – April 29, 1969 – Method And Apparatus For Seeding Clouds
3456880 – July 22, 1969 – Method Of Producing Precipitation From The Atmosphere
3518670 June 30, 1970 – Artificial Ion Cloud
3534906 – October 20, 1970 – Control of Atmospheric Particles
3545677 – December 8, 1970 – Method of Cloud Seeding
3587966 – June 28, 1971 – Freezing Nucleation
3608820 – September 20, 1971 – Treatment of Atmospheric Conditions by Intermittent Dispensing of Materials Therein
3613992 – October 19, 1971 – Weather Modification Method
3630950 – December 28, 1971 – Combustible Compositions For Generating Aerosols, Particularly Suitable For Cloud Modification And Weather Control And Aerosolization Process
USRE29142 – This patent is a reissue of patent US3630950 – Combustible compositions for generating aerosols, particularly suitable for cloud modification and weather control and aerosolization process
3659785 – December 8, 1971 – Weather Modification Utilizing Microencapsulated Material
3666176 – March 3, 1972 – Solar Temperature Inversion Device
3677840 – July 18, 1972 – Pyrotechnics Comprising Oxide of Silver For Weather Modification Use
3785557 – January 15, 1974 – Cloud Seeding System
3795626 – March 5, 1974 – Weather Modification Process
3808595 – April 30, 1974 – Chaff Dispensing System
3813875 – June 4, 1974 – Rocket Having Barium Release System to Create Ion Clouds In The Upper Atmopsphere
3835059 – September 10, 1974 – Methods of Generating Ice Nuclei Smoke Particles For Weather Modification And Apparatus Therefore
3896993 – July 29, 1975 – Process For Local Modification of Fog And Clouds For Triggering Their Precipitation And For Hindering The Development of Hail Producing Clouds
3899129 – August 12, 1975 – Apparatus for generating ice nuclei smoke particles for weather modification
3899144 – August 12, 1975 – Powder contrail generation
3940059 – February 24, 1976 – Method For Fog Dispersion
4042196 – August 16, 1977 – Method and apparatus for triggering a substantial change in earth characteristics and measuring earth changes
RE29,142 – February 22, 1977 – Reissue of: 03630950 – Combustible compositions for generating aerosols, particularly suitable for cloud modification and weather control and aerosolization process
4096005 – June 20, 1978 – Pyrotechnic Cloud Seeding Composition
4129252 – December 12, 1978 – Method and apparatus for production of seeding materials
4141274 – February 27, 1979 – Weather modification automatic cartridge dispenser
4167008 – September 4, 1979 – Fluid bed chaff dispenser
4347284 – August 31, 1982 – White cover sheet material capable of reflecting ultraviolet rays
4362271 – December 7, 1982 – Procedure for the artificial modification of atmospheric precipitation as well as compounds with a dimethyl sulfoxide base for use in carrying out said procedure
4412654 – November 1, 1983 – Laminar microjet atomizer and method of aerial spraying of liquids
4415265 – November 15, 1983 – Method and apparatus for aerosol particle absorption spectroscopy
4470544 – September 11, 1984 – Method of and Means for weather modification
4475927 – October 9, 1984 – Bipolar Fog Abatement System
4600147 – July 15, 1986 – Liquid propane generator for cloud seeding apparatus
4633714 – January 6, 1987 – Aerosol particle charge and size analyzer
4653690 – March 31, 1987 – Method of producing cumulus clouds
4686605 – August 11, 1987 – Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth’s atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere
4744919 – May 17, 1988 – Method of dispersing particulate aerosol tracer
4766725 – August 30, 1988 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor
4836086 – June 6, 1989 – Apparatus and method for the mixing and diffusion of warm and cold air for dissolving fog
4948050 – August 14, 1990 – Liquid atomizing apparatus for aerial spraying
4999637 – March 12, 1991 – Creation of artificial ionization clouds above the earth
5003186 – March 26, 1991 – Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming
5005355 – April 9, 1991 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor
5038664 – August 13, 1991 – Method for producing a shell of relativistic particles at an altitude above the earths surface
5104069 – April 14, 1992 – Apparatus and method for ejecting matter from an aircraft
5110502 – May 5, 1992 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor
5174498 – December 29, 1992 – Cloud Seeding
5148173 – September 15, 1992 – Millimeter wave screening cloud and method
5286979 – February 15, 1994 – Process for absorbing ultraviolet radiation using dispersed melanin
5357865 – October 25, 1994 – Method of cloud seeding
5360162 – November 1, 1994 – Method and composition for precipitation of atmospheric water
5434667 – July 18, 1995 – Characterization of particles by modulated dynamic light scattering
5441200 – August 15, 1995 – Tropical cyclone disruption
5556029 – September 17, 1996 – Method of hydrometeor dissipation (clouds)
5628455 – May 13, 1997 – Method and apparatus for modification of supercooled fog
5912396 – June 15, 1999 – System and method for remediation of selected atmospheric conditions
5922976 – July 13, 1999 – Method of measuring aerosol particles using automated mobility-classified aerosol detector
5984239 – November 16, 1999 – Weather modification by artificial satellite
6025402 – February 15, 2000 – Chemical composition for effectuating a reduction of visibility obscuration, and a detoxifixation of fumes and chemical fogs in spaces of fire origin
6056203 – May 2, 2000 – Method and apparatus for modifying supercooled clouds
6110590 – August 29, 2000 – Synthetically spun silk nanofibers and a process for making the same
6263744 – July 24, 2001 – Automated mobility-classified-aerosol detector
6315213 – November 13, 2001 – Method of modifying weather
6382526 – May 7, 2002 – Process and apparatus for the production of nanofibers
6520425 – February 18, 2003 – Process and apparatus for the production of nanofibers



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 08:13 AM
link   

Originally posted by petrus4
Quoting a single article by a single academic, has absolutely no relevance whatsoever, to individuals who have directly seen chemtrails themselves.

This highlights, again, the primary difference between debunkers and the genuinely intelligent. Those who maintain a truly scientific attitude towards such things ...


This is a gem. A scientific attitude? What scientific evidence do you have that what you see is not a contrail? Do you have direct air samples from these contrails? Do you have direct fuel samples from the tanks of these suspected planes? What tangible evidence do you have Mr. Scientist?



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 08:33 AM
link   

Originally posted by weknowall
Now if you could come up with … exact procedures from airline industries explaining the reason for one plane to repeatedly spray tic-tac-toe boards in the skies above - which I have seen several times here in INDIANA - for no apparent reason at all. Do you got something like that????
No?


You don't know it's one plane. Do you have tail numbers? Do you have call signs? Flight plans? Publicly available FAA tracking data? Copies of publicly available air traffic controller communications? What do you have? Or do you simply look up and say, "They have two wings, they're up there, must be the same plane"?

Are you familiar with the The National Airspace System (NAS)? Are you familiar with Upper Winds? Put the two together and you have your explanation for "tic-tac-toe boards" and/or parallel lines of contrails.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 08:56 AM
link   
Like I have stated in another thread,

Here is an open Challenge to Contrailers.

Prove to us that these have the exact same composition as everyday normal CLOUDS.

Why is it, that you appear to have taken this so far as to make it seem that these are entirely harmless "Clouds"...yet these "Clouds" have been created artificially, WITHOUT ?!!?! chemicals and garbage...oh yes you admit to SOOT...(perfectly normal conditions a cloud is created in) and perhaps some other pollutants...(I bet a cigarette is worse to most of you).

You almost trumpet the beauty of these ugly lines in the sky, that can be all size , and all distorting, and never look like any of the other clouds , or we sure would not see them as CONTRAILS now would we ??

You also claim to know everything about conditions at whatever elevations you they "Form" at.. and all the science behind how the burnt FUEL interacts with cold AIR and humidity conditions... Show how you could possibly know that as well...and please tell us how you know what every plane is using for fuel.

Also, explain how knewer better more modern engines are saving FUEL and CREATING BEAUTIFUL PRISTINE CLOUDS for us all to enjoy, while delivering us from the evils of slow MAIL and car travel... (You know, the polluting kind) whilst consoling us that conspiracies generally NEVER happen...

AND tell us how every single one of you believe 9/11 HOOK LINE AND SINKER.


The common theme of all of this is beyond fascinating indeed.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 09:05 AM
link   
reply to post by Advancedboy
 



U.S. patents dealing with accumulation of expertize in atmospheric aerosol spraying/ cloud seeding and their affiliate science fields as a precursor of suspect malfeasance.


Please explain how each individual patent is relevant. A quick summary of each one and how it is being applied by commercial airliners will suffice.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 09:18 AM
link   
reply to post by GrinchNoMore
 



Prove to us that these have the exact same composition as everyday normal CLOUDS.


You can start here:

ciresweb.colorado.edu...

That article dates to 1972, back when there were allegedly no contrails in a pristine sky. You can then follow up with these:

adsabs.harvard.edu...

www.opticsinfobase.org...

elib.dlr.de...

adsabs.harvard.edu...

I could go on, but you will no doubt reject all this scientific research as disinformation. Before you do, please note that there is genuine concern among these scientists as to the environmental impact of contrails. They just don't think that aircraft are spraying morgellons into the atmosphere to appease Jewish bankers.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 09:30 AM
link   
reply to post by GrinchNoMore
 


It's a moronic concept to believe that people who question the chemtrail theories are in denial about anything other than the chemtrail theories.
These issues are not black and white, it's not us verses you, it's looking at the cold hard facts, something that chemmies repeatedly do not do. And when somebody who has some knowledge or experience in this area makes their views clear to a chemmie then the typical retort is "gov disinfo agent" etc. It seems that making the crass assumptions about motives, materials, processes, logistics, applications etc that chemmies make also extends to the people they address and debate with regarding this matter.
This is ridiculous.
I have not seen one shred of evidence on this thread that solidly supports the chemtrail theories, not friggin one.

The onus is on you to provide irrefutable evidence, if you can't then ask yourself why do you believe chemtrails are real.




edit on 20-7-2012 by seabhac-rua because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 09:33 AM
link   

Originally posted by SpittinTruthNah....i go to the church of REALITY! Reality is.....our lives are controlled. Call it what you want. Thankfully, i've spent the past 6 years....working on loosing their grip of control, in my personal life. I started by TURNING OFF THE friggin' TELEVISION. Which, BTW is the biggest form of control....on the planet! What other form of medium can brainwash and hypnotize MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people???
But you apparently have not figured out how to turn off your computer, which ultimately is the biggest and worst type of mind control.

-saige-



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 10:54 AM
link   
I like how a Popular Science article from the 60's is supposed to be the killing blow to the chemtrail theory! Couldn't the existence of natural persistent contrails be proven with real science?
edit on 20-7-2012 by hololeap because: Typo



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 11:02 AM
link   

Originally posted by hololeap
I like how a Popular Science article from the 60's is supposed to be the killing blow to the chemtrail theory! Couldn't the existence of natural persistent contrails be proven with real science?


Oh yes, and I've tried that. I post links to scientific papers, I explain the science. But that just gets met with cries of "fake". I'm using this as it's obviously not a fake, it's a real magazine that anyone can verify is real, and it really said this in 1969. So now the chemtrails are forced to either say that hundreds of thousands of scientists and all the science books this century are part of some 100-year old scheme to spray chemicals that did not even get started until in 1996, or they can drop this whole "contrails quickly fade away" nonsense.



posted on Jul, 20 2012 @ 11:09 AM
link   

Originally posted by beerbaron2002
My roommate is the co-pilot on a Boeing 727, he just laughs about people who believe in chemtrails, they are contrails.


So why is it there have been studies, especially in California where they have found high levels of aluminum oxide, barium, and ammonia in the ground where there are high levels of air traffic?



new topics

top topics



 
69
<< 21  22  23    25  26  27 >>

log in

join