The true story behind the bible

reply to post by randyvs


Yeah, it's big problem and the source of many of our worldly woes. Not to mention the attempt of these deluded individuals to infiltrate our schools, health care and court rooms and legislate laws around this nonsense.

reply to post by windword

Yeah, it's big problem and the source of many of our worldly woes.

What are you whining about ? Lets hear some of your worldly woes ?

reply to post by CherubBaby


You still have not presented those 'facts' you promised in your original post.

What do you mean by receiving light? What are you referring to as 'light' in that context?

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by windword

 

Yeah, it's big problem and the source of many of our worldly woes.

What are you whining about ? Lets hear some of your worldly woes ?

edit on 20-7-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

Here's a start, images of Biblically inspired savagery, by the "chosen ones" of Israel against the Palestinians.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here's another one.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by windword


Mans inhumanity to man ? A blood feud ? Really ?

reply to post by randyvs


The Bible is full of inhumanity commanded and condoned by GOD!

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by randyvs

 

The Bible is full of inhumanity commanded and condoned by GOD!

So. Does that bother you ?

Don't feed the troll.

reply to post by randyvs


The question is, "Why doesn't it bother you?"

reply to post by randyvs


Are you here for a reason, or just to instigate?

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Yes, the story of Lucifer being cast into hell for becoming too greedy is a metaphor for humans being cast into hell on Earth by becoming greedy. Lucifer was gods greatest angel, humans are gods greatest creation. Lucifer became greedy, humans became greedy. Lucifer was cast into hell, humans were cast into hell by turning heaven on Earth into hell on Earth. ETA: This is just my opinion on the subject just in case anybody accuses me of claiming to 'know' this is correct.

Hi 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I am trying to make sure I completely understand your position on Lucifer.

Lucifer was gods greatest angel, humans are gods greatest creation

So as you said earlier we are all angels (Am I correct you said that?). So do you mean Lucifer is not a separate angel but a metaphor representing all the greedy angels here on earth?

Maybe it will be helpful if I share a few things about Lucifer that I understand ok.. It might be easier for you to catch an error in how I come to my conclusions and just explain how I might have misunderstood who Lucifer is ok?

1. I understand Lucifer as a Anti-CHRIST... I understand anti-christ to be defined as opposed to Christ.
Common definition: "an·ti" prep.........Opposed to; against. So in my understanding everything Lucifer represents or endorses would be directly contrary to Christ. Like the opposite of Christ. Would you agree that is fair to say?

Example:
Lucifer is greedy (Greedy= Excessively desirous of acquiring or possessing, especially wishing to possess more than what one needs or deserves, he is selfish, "avaricious and will do anything for money"; "casting covetous eyes on his neighbor's fields"; "a grasping old miser"; "grasping commercialism"; "greedy for money and power";an acquisitive society in which the craving for material things seems never satisfied"; "prehensile employers stingy with raises for their employees"). Correct?

and Christ is generous (Generous - willing to give and share unstintingly; full of love and generosity; "charitable to the poor"; "a charitable trust', not petty in character and mind; "unusually generous in his judgment of people", unselfish - disregarding your own advantages and welfare over those of others). Correct?
(These definitions are taken from "The free dictionary" by, Farlex).

If you agree, then I think so far we both agree that Lucifer is greedy.... correct?

Do you believe Lucifer is a anti-Christ then? Again I described above what "anti" means in our dictionary... it is one in opposition. If he is greedy he is against everything generous yes?

Please reply and let me know if there is anything that you disagree with what I defined here so far? Thank you

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by randyvs

 

The question is, "Why doesn't it bother you?"

Because there isn't anything I can do about it.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


I'm having trouble putting all of these metaphors of mankind's many egregious errors in chronological order...

reply to post by ScatterBrain


Yes, I agree with the definitions you provided.

I believe most humans on Earth are greedy in some way because we all desire more money, bigger paychecks, we are all focused on our financial situation e.g. house payments, car payments, cell phone payments, etc.

It is no fault of our own though because that is the way the world is set up, and the way TV and movies portray beauty and money only adds to this desire for money because we think 'Man, wouldn't it be nice to look like him/her and have all the stuff he/she has?'

Don't get me wrong, not everyone is like this, I myself am part of this minority because I see past the illusion and desire money nor fame. Jesus was part of this group as wellbecause he gave to the needy and the poor and taught not to desire material things but to respect one another and do good for one another.

Over half way there, the post count was at 333 before I posted

The antichrist could be one of many things, including the so called Lucifer, but my money is on organized religion, which can also be considered Lucifer because organized religion is the most greedy institution on Earth, in my opinion.

They say they promote peace and love, yet at the same time it teaches its followers to be bigoted and be ok with people going to a place where there is no peace, only torture.

They are tax-exempt, they collects millions or maybe even billions of dollars a year in just donations, they do nothing good for the world except for deceive its followersabout the truth and yet still rake in the money, all while being exempt from paying taxes (which in itself proves just how greedy they are).

So religion and its leaders are where I would put my money when talking about the antichrist.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Adam and Eve = first humans to gain self-awareness

Garden of Eden = Earth before self-awareness

Forbidden fruit = self-awareness (that's why they cover themselves after eating the fruit)

God = the universe and everything within it

Angels = all humans and animals on Earth (and any alien species that resides outside of Earth)

Lucifer = those angels who become greedy and desire too much (humans in general)

Heaven = the universe

Hell = Earth as a result of humans gaining self-awareness and becoming greedy and manipulative and the destruction of nature

This isn't exactly in chronological order but I'm sure you can put the pieces together if you try. I may have left some out, but these are the main ones I could think of off the top of my head.

ETA: Jesus = the sun ( the sun is our only way into heaven ((the universe)) because without it, life on Earth and Earth itself would not exist)

Jesus' 12 disciples = the 12 constellations

The crucifixion/ressurection = the winter solstice where there is no sun for 3 days in the north until after the third day, the sun rises (or is 'ressurected')

The 3 kings/wise men = Orions belt which point to where the sun rises after the winter solstice

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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Self-awareness was the start of hell on Earth because it leads to the manipulation and corruption in the world.

I disagree. Do you think other beings of high dimensions do not have awareness of themselves? Yes, they function as a collective in the higher dimensions but they are still themselves. Even if you feel like you are one with all things - it is YOU that is one with all things. Your personality / soul - infused with all things.

By the way, self-awareness does not lead to manipulation because if you were truly self aware you'd understand that you are perfect as you are and you do not need to take from anyone to be better.

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You see where self-awareness has gotten us so far, no? What other animal takes advantage of its peers and destroys nature only to make a buck? None, because we are the only ones to have self-awareness, or the ability and intelligence to ask ourselves where we came from.

If interdimensional beings really do exist (which I'm not sure about that) then they have, as a species, reached enlightenment and see that there is no need for manipulation.

Self-awareness does lead to manipulation, if not self-awareness then what?

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Yes, the story of Lucifer being cast into hell for becoming too greedy

Although I agree that Lucifer is greedy, I understand that the reason Lucifer was cast down was because of the pride in his heart.


Psalm 10:2
The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.

Psalm 10:4
The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.

Proverbs 29:23
A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.

Psalm 59:12
For the sin of their mouth and the words of their lips let them even be taken in their pride: and for cursing and lying which they speak.

(In the bible, "pride" is mentioned 49 times...It provides many examples and it's characteristics).

Example: There are two equally beautiful girls. God created both girls, the girls did not create themselves. They did nothing to deserve their beauty they were created that way...(like a gift you got that was just given to you for free).

One of these girls sees this beauty, has pride in her heart so didn't receive the blessing with gratitude. She has bad manners, ill will towards others, selfish....mean, without grace (prideful). Her behavior reflects what is in her heart. Even though our eyes see her beauty, there is pride inside her. So even though she appears beautiful, she is not what she appears to be (a deception).

The other girl has true beauty. She is humble and grateful of the blessing. She has a generous spirit,polite, mannerly, charming, gracious, civil, courteous, and well-mannered (humble). Her behavior reflects what's in her heart. This girl not only is beautiful on the outside, she is also the gracious on the inside (she is as she appears =genuine).

Lucifer is beautiful on the outside but his heart is full of pride (he is not what he appears to be = a deception).


Pride:
Pride includes an excessive self-esteem (an unreasonable high opinion of oneself; vanity); conceit (overly high opinion of one's own abilities or worth; the best of a group or class (an inexcusably sense of superiority above others); gains pleasure in self-indulgence (gratifying his own desire and impulses, beyond his necessities). pride of place the most important position.

Would you not agree that greed comes out of pride? So because of the attributes of pride one believes he has "rights" to have more than what he deserves and therefore is greedy. Is not that correct?