Marconi Alien, 25 Suspicious Scientists Suicides & Star Wars Defense

Thanx for posting a link to surf.to/dangerousdave, it was web designer Kirstin Law's idea to make it a non www address.
The old woman who tried to shoot a BBC TV producer actually travelled from Blackpool, surf.to/dangerousdave was all done from memory in one go, me sitting at a computer in an internet cafe that Kirstin was the manageress for.
I went into that in much more detail in phonedupnshutup.com, if you wanna post a link to that, great. It interested me that quite a lot of mysterious deaths of famous TV people, and radio people, happened roundabout the time this "crazy old woman" tried to kill a BBC TV producer, have never found out which one.

I do think the mysterious deaths are connected with the US botching up alien contact at USAF Bentwaters, a lot of heavy trouble rippled out from that moment in time, December 1980 - Jenny Randles mentions that the locals always knew of mysterious deaths occurring very frequently, (always seen floating offshore) the bodies seen appearing floating in the sea just off from where a "BBC TV/Marconi" complex is located - and that is quite close to USAF Bentwaters - she said locals were aware of this occurring in the mid-1950s. Bye for now.

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How do you mean "botching up", exactly?

That "Threy" are trying to prevent ET's from arriving, or the opposite?

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One of my jobs while in the Corps was working in the CMS vault. I held a top secret clearance and was responsible for the confidential material. I worked in a small concrete room, no windows, and the door was doubled...one door was a steel cage, the other a steel door so no one could see in. Inside were several safes that required combos to get to the confidential material.

I'm also finding the story a little hard to believe with the security guard walking into a secure area with glass walls.

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Awrsome job on the research Martin. Especially communicating with Tony about his book and gaining more insight on the supposed suicides & disappearances! You know of a way in which I could contact him these days? Id very much like to pick his brain and perhaps pickup the investigation wherever he left off. Im sure the families of the dead scientists might have learned lots more relevant information since 1990 when Tonys book came out & are willing to share said information especially if it leads to answers for them pertaining to the truth behind the suicides (Murders).

Id like to speak with as many of them as possible, gain any new information and then report back here & share it with all of you here at ATS.

-Anathema

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No worries Martin, all your posts have been right on topic and very informative. As I said before thank you for sharing your research findings here with us. Keep digging for the truth and dont forget to share it here after you find it!

-Anathema

Originally posted by anathema777
www.crowdedskies.com...

Just found the source material for that. It was published in 2006 magazine. (UFO DATA) The pdf is here:


www.ufo-data.co.uk... Magazine 1-6/USAIssue-03.pdf

Go to page 12 and there is a lot more information with a photo of lady recounting the story.

Originally posted by Debunkology
Just found the source material for that.

If you quote my post you should see the link in full. (since it's not displaying correctly)


She recounts seeing orbs, and UFO activity also around the area and actually has drawings.

Originally posted by anathema777
Marconi Alien, 25 Suspicious
Scientists Suicides & Star Wars
Defense

Thanks man, looks interesting.

Originally posted by Debunkology

Originally posted by anathema777
www.crowdedskies.com...

Just found the source material for that. It was published in 2006 magazine. (UFO DATA) The pdf is here:


www.ufo-data.co.uk... Magazine 1-6/USAIssue-03.pdf

Go to page 12 and there is a lot more information with a photo of lady recounting the story.

If real, shocking.

Originally posted by anathema777
Bottom line is that those scientists most likely were killed for the following reasons which when examined it becomes clear as to why they were killed.

1. They worked on Top Secret Defense Programs
2. Fear of them divulging said info to the public
3. Possibility of a foreign country using them to replicate said technology
4. Bottim line they must destroy any avenue of said info or tech getting out into the world weather by word of mouth or by replication of the tech

-Anathema

I know these are time-honored movie themes, which are patently bogus. I work in this sort of industry. No, I can't send you to a webpage that proves it. So I'll try to explain it.

1) There are a LOT of people with TS or TS/SCI clearances of various levels, or DOE clearances of similar rank. I've had both. I no longer have Q clearance because I don't work for DOE any more and haven't for some time. But I do have an SCI single scope at present. Depending on what you're working on that can get jacked up to a poly.

I'm not that unique. I can tell you that there are other active posters on here that do as well, or have in the past. Given who the Amigos say visit, we're way outnumbered by the visitors who lurk. According to DNI, in 2010 about 667,000 people had TS, SCI or Q clearances. Every year, about 200,000 downgrade and about 220,000 more are cleared. That's not unusual either - you can get there the hard way by losing it to a major derog, but mostly you complete the project, don't start another at that clearance level, and shortly you downgrade to match the new requirement. Or you quit. Either way, it doesn't last forever. Heck, DOE bounces them up and down like jumping beans - it's not unheard of for your sigma level to bounce up and down every few months. You see guys at LANL looking at their badges and saying "what am I this week - hang on".

These people all have that level clearance because the job requires it at some level. Grant you, most of the 'secret', 'restricted' and 'confidential' stuff I see is totally boring #. Someone gets off on classifying the damndest things. Then they don't classify other bits of info that are total giveaways. Go figure. I have a declassed mechanical drawing of a screwdriver in a frame in the hall. Why was that ever secret? Beats me. Then you get Ken Edwards running a freaking think tank traveling show the focus of which was "What would you do with [x]", which is maybe the biggest SCI/SAP EVAR and he gets a slap on the wrist and a commendation for original thinking.

I've even got on my bookshelf (and I guess I could get in trouble for it - come get me coppers!) a restricted Army FM on how to PT new boots at boot camp. At least in that case I can see why - if you knew the "secrets of the drill sergeant" you could conceivably increase your ability to screw off and get away with it.

But by far, most of the stuff you see is just like that. There may be a good reason for it - for example, SERE-C is secret, you can't discuss it. That makes sense - part of SERE-C is that you can't prepare for it. If you did, it wouldn't teach you anything. Then you've got secret screwdrivers. No one says they have to be logical, I guess.

Once you get to TS, especially TS with SCI (or for DOE add on a sigma level above a certain point), you get into "knowing too much". I don't know too many SCIs that weren't on for a good reason, some more good than others. There's hundreds of thousands of those guys current every year. And hundreds of thousands moving onto and off of the list, often repeatedly as your job scope changes.

All those guys, depending on your point of view, probably "know too much" in bad movie parlance. The whole point of SCI is to keep you from knowing TOO much. But depending on your job, that likely doesn't really work all that well when you really get down to it. A lot of places, you can't corral knowledge all that tightly, because you sort of have to understand the whole thing to do anything.

(cont)

Originally posted by Debunkology

Originally posted by anathema777
www.crowdedskies.com...

Just found the source material for that. It was published in 2006 magazine. (UFO DATA) The pdf is here:


www.ufo-data.co.uk... Magazine 1-6/USAIssue-03.pdf

Go to page 12 and there is a lot more information with a photo of lady recounting the story.

Thanks for all the hard work and research you have put into this topic / thread. There 2 others that have also been helping me dig for the truth behind these "suicides".

Keep up the excellent work!

-Anathema

(part 2)

If you're doing engineering, you can sometimes compartmentalize to the point you're not 100% certain what they're doing in the rest of the project - I've gotten RFQ's for things that are really whack, we've done them and they buy it. I can't imagine if it's optimal because it's frustrating not knowing what the rest of the system it goes in really needs - it's my observation that most people don't spec very well. So maybe there's some stuff out there that's not working as well as it might have, but I'm not sure what.

Other times, it's unmistakable. If a certain facility orders a certain type of design, it's pretty obvious what's happening with it. So you play dumb.

But some SCI level stuff is pretty collaborative, because no-one's really all that sure how to approach the problem. So you get eggheads and engineers tossing all the inner project details around trying to resolve how to do what you need to do. That happens more with high time-pressure projects.

On some projects, you're a "Master of the Universe" because your job requires you to understand the full scope. That happens more with systems integration from an engineering point of view, although the top eggheads and the brass are by definition MOTUs as well.

And for some jobs, you're in the middle of it so there's not a lot of obfuscation at the doing level of it, although the why level of it may be a lie - the military gets a lot of that. At least some of them do.

But the upshot of all this is - there are literally hundreds of thousands of people every year who either know too much, or knew too much, or will begin knowing too much. And every one of them might get a wild hair and disclose the secrets of Proteus, or plasma emitters, or why Ning Li went to China, or what's in Phantom Works reverse doppler coating, you name it. There are a LOT of fairly nifty secret projects going on you never hear about much, if at all.

If you killed every contractor or gubmint employee who "knew too much" and "might disclose it", then you'd never get done with it. And truthfully, it's one of those things where we'd get the word around.

It does make a good movie. But you just don't see it happen.

Now, I have seen people receive special things and get really aggravated over it, and come to pay you a visit in like kind, and some of them are real personal about that sort of thing. Russians are bad about that. This is one reason you see SOC guys not put their names on their name tags, or it's a first name.

But consider - how many guys do you, on the other side, believe are "telling the truth!" and "disclosing!" whom you also believe are or were in the community? Why weren't THEY killed when they ETS'd?
(off to eat dinner - will return)

Starred and Flagged. Candles lit for all of them. What does need to be done, is the Families need to come unglued and be ruthless and LOUD, and torment up the chain of command starting with the cops and any coroners who are LYING, and indeed threaten very very loudly, and carry through, on getting community support and hiring TOP NOTCH INVESTIGATORS TO PILE THE DIRT ON THEM AND GO FOR THEIR YOU KNOW WHAT'S!

One family member cant do it, but 500 family and friends per person, thousands of furiuos loud and willing to nail their you know whats to the wall and NEVER GIVING UP, is the only way to ever deal with any form of corruption and murder, and abuse that has been going on.

Originally posted by Unity_99
Starred and Flagged. Candles lit for all of them. What does need to be done, is the Families need to come unglued and be ruthless and LOUD, and torment up the chain of command starting with the cops and any coroners who are LYING, and indeed threaten very very loudly, and carry through, on getting community support and hiring TOP NOTCH INVESTIGATORS TO PILE THE DIRT ON THEM AND GO FOR THEIR YOU KNOW WHAT'S!

My god I couldn't agree more with your entire post! The families of these dead geniuses need to demand answers. I would love to help them form a group, something similar to the 9/11 families that formed a group that demands answers and seeks the truth.

Seeing as how the scientists that supposedly committed suicide all in one way or another worked on, for or on a sub project of SDI (Star Wars Defense Initiative) in some capacity. It seems only appropriate to name the group something like "Families Against The Sith / FAST". That would be great! On a serious note we all need to demand answers, and certainly these families need to work together, lobby for a "Real" investigation and seek out the truth.

Thanks for your input Unity!

-Anathema

There's no point in debunking posts by going on about "what the military usually does" & "they never would do that because obviously...." Some of you guys can't see the trees for the woulds. They know waaaay in advance decades before things've been built, in their little boardrooms where they are making decisions, just what you all think they "would" do, so they deliberately do what you think they wouldn't do.
If in 1990, you were told the head of MI5 was a twice-convicted pederast, 'would' you go on about how MI5 never 'would' put a twice-convicted pederast in charge of MI5, therefore he can't be twice-convicted pederast? In 1974 security operatives informed me they were planning to put a twice-convicted pederast at the top of MI5, & in 1990, a Sunday Times investigative reporter, in response to Tony Collins' Open Verdict coming out in January of that year, announced on page two of the Sunday Times main section that he found it odd that the head of MI5 was a twice-convicted pederast, and that all the dead scientists had been electromagnetic wavelength spectrum analysts. That was his contribution. I tried telling them I knew all about that from the inside out, never saw my letter appear anywhere. Nothing was acted upon publically regarding what that investigative journalist had discovered, Tony didn't use my information either. By deliberately doing something the public 'wouldn't' believe, they gave a daft vibe to the report on it when it was finally found out.
In 1974 they had said "We're going to kill some people and get the police to anounce it was suicide, we're going to make it really obviously a murder then get the police to say it was a suicide to get the terror to get the control. There's a particular area we want to cause absolute terror about." Shani Warren's death was probably the most ridiculous that the pigs announced as suicide, she gagged her own mouth, tied her own feet together, tied her own hands behind her back, her brand new just bought Vauxhall Astra was found nearby with a just bought bottle of Champagne lying on the seat & a bunch of flowers also just bought......& the grass-cuttings she was disposing of for her grandpa were in the boot - obviously conveying what she was just about to do......a knots expert told the police the particular knot she'd tied her hands behind her back in, could not have been done by that person themselves......and what "she" had tied her hands with were spark plug cables. The Vauxhall's axle was broken such that the car moved sluggishly when someone finally tried to move it.
These operatives also plotted out the Jeremy Thorpe frame-up,of him as planning to kill Norman Scott, his putative homosexual lover - that broke in the news about three years later, 1977-ish, & I felt quite frightened reading the newspapers about that, everything they wanted in the newspapers they got. The newsmen were all turned into puppets, and that's why they do these things - to get the control. "Because we must get the control" - that's as simple as the answer they'll give you is, as to why.

Read the websites mentioned in my posts: we cannot give all-explanatory explanations in Above Top Secret posts: type martin-heth into the Above Top Secret search engine and look at a few more of posts under that name, which is of course a pseudonym.

Your "threy" made me think there is a typo in my preceding post, and there isn't.

Dear Anathema777: just look for his contact details in his weekly newspaper Computing Weekly, he's big on the Chinook helicopter crash in June 1994, at the moment.

I've just been looking across the web to see what I could find on the first death. Kieth Bowden. And here's what I have got so far.

Name : Keith Bowden (Professor)
Death : March 1982
Age : 46
Marital Status: Married to Hilary Bowden
Expertise: Computer Programmer, and scientist at Essex University
Employed : Marconi
Field : Expert on super computers and computer controlled aircraft
Other: co-founder of the Department of Computer Sciences at Essex University.


Dr. Keith Bowden died in a car wreck after coming home from a social function. His wife and friends testify that he was not drinking on the night of his death.

One night Bowden's immaculately maintained Rover careened across a four-lane highway and plunged off a bridge, down an embankment, into an abandoned rail yard. Bowden was found dead at the scene.

During the inquest, police testified that Bowden's blood alcohol level had exceeded the legal limit and that he had been driving too fast. His death was ruled accidental.

Wife Hillary Bowden and her lawyer suspected a cover-up. Friends said he'd supposedly spent the evening and denied that Bowden had been drinking.

Comments from Hilary Bowden (who hired a private investigator to research her husbands death.)

"My solicitor instructed an accident specialist to examine the automobile. Somebody had taken the wheels off and put others on that were old and worn. At the inquest this was not allowed to be brought up. Someone asked if the car was in a sound condition, and the answer was yes."

Hillary, in a state of shock, never protested the published verdict. Yet, she remains convinced that someone tampered with her husband's car. "It certainly looked like foul play," Hillary maintains

Letter found on web…who's yahoo profile has been deleted

hi marsha
Keith Bowden was one of my university lecturers, and a really nice guy, we threw him into the
ornamental fountain on graduation day :-) His death is probably connected with that of Dr David Whytock who also died in a mystery car crash, during my course in 1978. He was not long back from a year's sabbatical in Washington working with NASA on studies of the upper atmosphere. As a part of my degree David Whytock did a series of lectures on "Chemistry of the upper atmosphere" which included us using a mathematical model of reactions he had developed using the university computer department. This was a new thing back then, and I recall you could input various levels of pollutants and you would get graphs showing the effects over time. This definitely included ozone depletion, which was fairly unheard of at that time, and I think it also included likely temperature changes in the climate.
He was also quite young (30-ish) and left-wing, and was planning to run for parliament as for the Labour party, and since I saw this list, I suspect he made the wrong comments to somebody in Washington about what will happen when people see the results of these computer models.
Keith Bowden was working with him, so it may have come to somebody's attention that Keith was continuing David's work. There were only about 12 members of staff in the Department of Chemistry and the chances that 2 should die in mystery car crashes within 4 years is just too unlikely.

Not making fun. I think this is an interesting subject.. but I'll be damned if I am the only one who read "Marconi Alien" and thought "macaroni alien."

Originally posted by martin_heth
Dear Anathema777: just look for his contact details in his weekly newspaper Computing Weekly, he's big on the Chinook helicopter crash in June 1994, at the moment.

doing that now, thank you.