Marconi Alien, 25 Suspicious Scientists Suicides & Star Wars Defense

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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by ValentineWiggin



A 1987 death included Richard Pugh, who was a MOD computer consultant and a digital communications expert. He was found dead in his apartment with a bag over his head, his feet were bound and his body was tied in a rope that wrapped around his neck four times. The coroner called it an accident.



Seriously?


Seriously messed up.




posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by anathema777


A Security Guard, apparently, was doing his rounds late in that night, armed, and with his German shepherd dog came upon a strange blue light within the Top Secret Area. Upon investigating this glass-walled office, he unlocked the door and walked inside the room to find a grey coloured alien, wearing headgear out of which a blue light emanated. Allegedly, this being was rifling through all the Top Secret Documents. The shock was too much apparently for the Security Guard and what he encountered blew his mind.He was then taken to a special MoD psychiatric Hospital and never seen again!




If his "mind was blown" and he's never seen again, how did his story make the rounds?

Also, the top secret documents tend to be locked away and not out for rifling.

I've also never seen a top secret area that was a glass-walled office. It sort of puts all the secrets out there to be seen, not the best plan. Generally SCIF like areas are concrete block, no windows, with usually one door. Ours has metal plating for Tempest too, like most if not all of them, although the floor has tile over it and we've got crap hung on the walls to lighten it up a bit.

It's also sort of rare for building security to have direct access to secure areas, especially by themselves. Like every other SCIF I've seen, we can't have one person in there, even if that person has clearance to be there - it's too much of a security problem. In most SCIFs I've seen, you might have armed guards outside (we don't) but the Marine contingent is not allowed inside, or only a few of them are cleared to be in the actual SCIF itself, but they are the exception. You see stuff like that at MacDill. But what you won't see are the general base guards letting themselves into the secure areas by themselves with a key on their key ring.
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Top secret documents are routinely kept with the confines of areas that have a top secret rating.
Only those meant to be there will be there, with clearance, the documents ar emeant to be kept under lock and key, but this does not neccesarily mean a safe.
Top secret documents within a classified area may be kept in the offices, under lock and key, a Military secrets grade lockable cabinnet, of the scientists working on them, unless the document, or area classification requires that they are returned to a specific vault where their access and distribution to people is monitored from, and everyone who has access to them is required to sign them in or out every time.
With a compartmentalised system, someone found out of bounds of their project area, and in another project area are in danger of going missing and never being seen again.
The scientists are not stupid, when working under such stringent conditions, the transfer of documents, personnel, and other information is very closely monitored and controlled by a tiny clique of people.
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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by The X
With a compartmentalised system, someone found out of bounds of their project area, and in another project area are in danger of going missing and never being seen again.


You've been watching too much TV. And if you're working with compartmentalized information, you'll be doing it in a SCIF, into which you will unlikely go if you're not supposed to be there. Yes, info can move in and out of a SCIF, but it's not the sort of thing where you'd have a glass office with documents lying about for aliens.



The scientists are not stupid, when working under such stringent conditions, the transfer of documents, personnel, and other information is very closely monitored and controlled by a tiny clique of people.


Which would be exactly why you don't give the building guard access to the top secret area by himself using his janitor keyring.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 03:47 PM
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**If Your Interested in Helping Uncover The Truth Surrounding This Case PLEASE READ BELLOW!!!**

Im gonna start doing some extensive in-depth research of the apparent suicides & suspicious disappearances of 25 top scientists, & engineers involved with Americas Star Wars Defense initiative.

I would like to invite / encourage anyone interested in this case that also has the time & motivation to join me in a ATS joint effort to expose / discover any & all pertinent information surrounding this case. I think we can all agree these "Suicides" are highly suspect.

Please send me a U2U / PM if you are interested in helping me find the truth as best & in-depth as we can & then compile all our information & post it back here.

There has to be at least 25 families of these scientists that were left with more questions than answers who either would love to get some answers themselves and/or expose this conspiracy to the world. I need help tracking down any interviews, statements, or questions they have already given or attempt to contact these people ourselves & conduct our own interviews.

After we find were some of their relatives live and / or where the scientists lived or where they were found dead hopefully some of you out there that help me with this can go to your local library and pull up any and all newspaper articles on microfilm dated around the time of there deaths. Then we can transcribe all relevant obituarys and all news articles detailing all the information surrounding their supposed suicides that local reporters uncovered at the time of their deaths. Id venture a guess that theres an entire treasure trove of revealing / relevant information in those old, undiscovered newspaper articles. Same as after you read the list of the 22 - 25 suicides and the details of how they did it (Like the women who had high heals on with here arms tied& bound behind her back. Her feet tied together & a rope around her neck who then drowned in 18 inches of water in her bathtub) how most of us readers ultimately come to the same conclusion... that all these people were likely murdered. The who killed them and why they were exactly murdered is up for debate / discovery. I think after we compile all related newspaper articles and any statements / interviews made by the families of the deceased that we find or get to ask them ourselves will add up to an obvious answer the same way reading the details of the "Suicides" just screamed foul play / murder.

There are other elements to this case that we need to uncover, compile & then post our findings back here for all to see. I believe this can be done & that theres plenty of good information available just waiting to be unearthed by us. Obviously if we crack this case wide open I feel it would deliver a devastating blow to TPTB and those involved in murdering & then covering this up for their personal gain & retention of power.

Again, anyone interested in getting to the truth that has the time to help further develop this case please get ahold of me by sending me a private message or make your intentions known in a reply in this thread. This case is to big for me to do on my own so any help would be greatly appreciated and definitely needed. Thank you all for your input & I look forward to the never ending, never dull pursuit of the truth, the adventure in getting it... Compiling the truth & enlightening those who wish to quest for knowledge. And as always, DENY IGNORANCE.

-Anathema



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:08 PM
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taken from Raymond A. Robinson's book; 'The Alien Intent' (A Dire Warning.)


March 1982: Professor Keith Bowden, 46 --Expertise: Computer programmer and scientist at Essex University engaged in work for Marconi, who was hailed as an expert on super computers and computer-controlled aircraft. --Circumstance of Death: Fatal car crash when his vehicle went out of control across a dual carriageway and plunged onto a disused railway line. Police maintained he had been drinking but family and friends all denied the allegation. --Coroner's verdict: Accident.

April 1983: Lt-Colonel Anthony Godley, 49 --Expertise: Head of the Work Study Unit at the Royal College of Military Science. --Circumstance of Death: Disappeared mysteriously in April 1983 without explanation. Presumed dead.

March 1985: Roger Hill, 49 --Expertise: Radar designer and draughtsman with Marconi. --Circumstance of Death: Died by a shotgun blast at home. --Coroner's verdict: Suicide.

November 19, 1985: Jonathan Wash, 29 --Expertise: Digital communications expert who had worked at GEC and at British Telecom's secret research centre at Martlesham Heath, Suffolk. --Circumstance of Death: Died as a result of falling from a hotel room in Abidjan, West Africa, while working for British Telecom. He had expressed fears that his life was in danger. --Coroner's verdict: Open verdict.

August 4, 1986: Vimal Dajibhai, 24 --Expertise: Computer software engineer with Marconi, responsible for testing computer control systems of Tigerfish and Stingray torpedoes at Marconi Underwater Systems at Croxley Green, Hertfordshire. --Circumstance of Death: Death by 74m (240ft.) fall from Clifton Suspension Bridge, Bristol. Police report on the body mentioned a needle-sized puncture wound on the left buttock, but this was later dismissed as being a result of the fall. Dajibhai had been looking forward to starting a new job in the City of London and friends had confirmed that there was no reason for him to commit suicide. At the time of his death he was in the last week of his work with Marconi. --Coroner's verdict: Open.

October 1986: Arshad Sharif, 26 --Expertise: Reported to have been working on systems for the detection of submarines by satellite. --Circumstance of Death: Died as a result of placing a ligature around his neck, tying the other end to a tree and then driving off in his car with the accelerator pedal jammed down. His unusual death was complicated by several issues: Sharif lived near Vimal Dajibhai in Stanmore, Middlesex, he committed suicide in Bristol and, inexplicably, had spent the last night of his life in a rooming house. He had paid for his accommodation in cash and was seen to have a bundle of high-denomination banknotes in his possession. While the police were told of the banknotes, no mention was made of them at the inquest and they were never found. In addition, most of the other guests at the rooming house worked at British Aerospace prior to working for Marconi, Sharif had also worked at British Aerospace on guided weapons technology. --Coroner's verdict: Suicide.

January 1987: Richard Pugh, 37 --Expertise: MOD computer consultant and digital communications expert. --Circumstance of Death: Found dead in his flat in with his feet bound and a plastic bag over his head. Rope was tied around his body, coiling four times around his neck. --Coroner's verdict: Accident.

January 12, 1987: Dr. John Brittan, 52 --Expertise: Scientist formerly engaged in top secret work at the Royal College of Military Science at Shrivenham, Oxfordshire, and later deployed in a research department at the MOD. --Circumstance of Death: Death by carbon monoxide poisoning in his own garage, shortly after returning from a trip to the US in connection with his work. --Coroner's verdict: Accident.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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continued......

February 1987: David Skeels, 43 --Expertise: Engineer with Marconi. --Circumstance of Death: Found dead in his car with a hosepipe connected to the exhaust. --Coroner's verdict: Open.

February 1987: Victor Moore, 46 --Expertise: Design Engineer with Marconi Space and Defence Systems. --Circumstance of Death: Died from an overdose. --Coroner's verdict: Suicide.

February 22, 1987: Peter Peapell, 46 --Expertise: Scientist at the Royal College of Military Science. He had been working on testing titanium for it's resistance to explosives and the use of computer analysis of signals from metals. --Circumstance of Death: Found dead allegedly from carbon monoxide poisoning, in his Oxfordshire garage. The circumstances of his death raised some elements of doubt. His wife had found him on his back with his head parallel to the rear car bumper and his mouth in line with the exhaust pipe, with the car engine running. Police were apparently baffled as to how he could have manoeuvred into the position in which he was found. --Coroner's verdict: Open.

March 30, 1987: David Sands, 37 --Expertise: Senior scientist working for Easams of Camberley, Surrey, a sister company to Marconi. Dr. John Brittan had also worked at Camberley. --Circumstance of Death: Fatal car crash when he allegedly made a sudden U-turn on a dual carriageway while on his way to work, crashing at high speed into a disused cafeteria. He was found still wearing his seat belt and it was discovered that the car had been carrying additional petrol cans. None of the 'normal' reasons for a possible suicide could be found. --Coroner's verdict: Open.

April 1987: George Kountis (age unknown) --Expertise: Systems Analyst at Bristol Polytechnic. --Circumstance of Death: Drowned the same day as Shani Warren (see below) - as the result of a car accident, his upturned car being found in the River Mersey, Liverpool. --Coroner's verdict: Misadventure. (Kountis' sister called for a fresh inquest as she thought 'things didn't add up')

April 10, 1987: Shani Warren, 26 --Expertise: Personal assistant in a company called Micro Scope, which was taken over by GEC Marconi less than four weeks after her death. --Circumstance of Death: Found drowned in 45cm. (18in) of water, not far from the site of David Greenhalgh's death fall. Warren died exactly one week after the death of Stuart Gooding and serious injury to Greenhalgh. She was found gagged with a noose around her neck. Her feet were also bound and her hands tied behind her back. --Coroner's verdict: Open. (It was said that Warren had gagged herself, tied her feet with rope, then tied her hands behind her back and hobbled to the lake on stiletto heels to drown herself.)

April 10, 1987: Stuart Gooding, 23 --Expertise: Postgraduate research student at the Royal College of Military Science. --Circumstance of Death: Fatal car crash while on holiday in Cyprus. The death occurred at the same time as college personnel were carrying out exercises on Cyprus. --Coroner's verdict: Accident.

April 24, 1987: Mark Wisner, 24 --Expertise: Software engineer at the MOD. --Circumstance of Death: Found dead on in a house shared with two colleagues. He was found with a plastic sack around his head and several feet of cling film around his face. The method of death was almost identical to that of Richard Pugh some three months earlier. --Coroner's verdict: Accident.

May 3, 1987: Michael Baker, 22 --Expertise: Digital communications expert working on a defence project at Plessey; part-time member of Signals Corps SAS. --Circumstance of Death: Fatal accident owhen his car crashed through a barrier near Poole in Dorset. --Coroner's verdict: Misadventure. June 1987: Jennings, Frank, 60 --Expertise: Electronic Weapons Engineer with Plessey. --Circumstance of Death: Found dead from a heart attack. --No inquest.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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On most Army/Naval installations the guards on duty are usually enlisted men/women, not outside contractors. So it would then depend on their security level. I tend to think a enlisted guard would have the ok to check anything suspicious since he/she is technically on watch. At least that's how it works in most the bases I have been on.

Also you would be surprised just how lax the govt is with "secret" documents/areas. Many times o found myself working in restricted/top secret areas without the proper clearance.

Very interesting story though.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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January 1988: Russell Smith, 23 --Expertise: Laboratory technician with the Atomic Energy Research Establishment at Harwell, Oxfordshire. --Circumstance of Death: Died as a result of a cliff fall at Boscastle in Cornwall. --Coroner's verdict: Suicide.

March 25, 1988: Trevor Knight, 52 --Expertise: Computer engineer with Marconi Space and Defence Systems in Stanmore, Middlesex. --Circumstance of Death: Found dead at his home in Harpenden, Hertfordshire at the wheel of his car with a hosepipe connected to the exhaust. A St.Alban's coroner said that Knight's woman friend, Miss Narmada Thanki (who also worked with him at Marconi) had found three suicide notes left by him which made clear his intentions. Miss Thanki had mentioned that Knight disliked his work but she did not detect any depression that would have driven him to suicide. --Coroner's verdict: Suicide.

August 1988: Alistair Beckham, 50 --Expertise: Software engineer with Plessey Defence Systems. --Circumstance of Death: Found dead after being electrocuted in his garden shed with wires connected to his body. --Coroner's verdict: Open.

August 22, 1988: Peter Ferry, 60 --Expertise: Retired Army Brigadier and an Assistant Marketing Director with Marconi. --Circumstance of Death: Found on 22nd or 23rd August 1988 electrocuted in his company flat with electrical leads in his mouth. --Coroner's verdict: Open.

September 1988: Andrew Hall, 33 --Expertise: Engineering Manager with British Aerospace. --Circumstance of Death: Carbon monoxide poisoning in a car with a hosepipe connected to the exhaust. --Coroner's verdict: Suicide.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by Debunkology
taken from Raymond A. Robinson's book; 'The Alien Intent' (A Dire Warning.)


March 1982: Professor Keith Bowden, 46 --Expertise: Computer programmer and scientist at Essex University engaged in work for Marconi, who was hailed as an expert on super computers and computer-controlled aircraft. --Circumstance of Death: Fatal car crash when his vehicle went out of control across a dual carriageway and plunged onto a disused railway line. Police maintained he had been drinking but family and friends all denied the allegation. --Coroner's verdict: Accident.



Thank you for finding more information about the suspicious details surrounding the supposed suicides of these scientists. Ive been trying to find details about all 25 suicides. I will add this to the list in my Original Post at the beginning of this thread.

*edit*

You ROCK! You found All 22 of them! Now the tricky part is finding the last 3 cases which aren't suicides. If im correct in remembering I believe the last 3 cases are disappearances which to me is the icing on the cake for this story...



I mean 22 suspicious suicides and deaths is enough for me but throw on 3 disappearances and just WOW. Its just painfully obvious these people were systematically wiped off the face of the earth. I wish I could give you a hundred stars!

Ill have a mod add the completed death/suicide list to the OP.

Thanx again!

-Anathema
edit on 7/5/2012 by anathema777 because: added info and thanx



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by anathema777

Thanx again!

-Anathema
edit on 7/5/2012 by anathema777 because: added info and thanx


No problem. I'm interested in this. Here is another link which gives basic details of 22.

www2.fiu.edu...


Since aliens have been mentioned already in this thread. The Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) was proposed by U.S. President Ronald Reagan on March 23, 1983. It's worth noting his speech about Aliens, I think it was 1987. He gave several speeches about aliens and was diagnosed with Alzheimer's desease in 1994, (Strategic Defense Initiative Organization was desolved in 1993)



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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Oh and there is one better if you want to pay the price. Which will save research....There is actually a book in print that came out in 1991.

OPEN VERDICT: 25 Mysterious Deaths In The Defence Industry" written by Tony Collins and Steven Arkell




There is 19 available at amazon.co.uk for 0.01p (just pay postage and packaging)

Which are far cheaper than the one that is being quoted on US amazon which is $130.

another link:

www.surf.to...



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 05:10 PM
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Awesome info. Ill just download the ebook off a torrent site. After I read it in the next few days or as Im reading it ill post any new, good information in this thread. Again you rock! Thanks a million again.

-Anathema



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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The dates themselves might reveal something. A possibility is that one of the contractors Marconi were dealing with got breached, and some of the engineers knew about it. Who else was working there specifically between 1982 and 1990? Were any of the cases genuine suicides?

Timelines are your best friend in any investigation.
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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by XeroOne
The dates themselves might reveal something. A possibility is that one of the contractors Marconi were dealing with got breached, and some of the engineers knew about it. Who else was working there specifically between 1982 and 1990? Were any of the cases genuine suicides?

Timelines are your best friend in any investigation.
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Very interesting theory you have postulated XeroOne. Im gonna start looking into the timeline & see if I can uncover any new information or come up with some fact based theories as to what those 25 scientists may have done to warrant having TPTB do something as risky as murdering way to many important people even if they thought that by making all of the deaths appear as suicides that people wouldn't notice the near impossibility of such an exclusive group of talented individuals killing themselves. The math just don't add up... these people were EXECUTED.

-Anathema


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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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Well, not so much theory as a tried and tested method. It's usually the best place to start.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by XeroOne
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Well, not so much theory as a tried and tested method. It's usually the best place to start.


My mistake. What I meant to convey was I hadn't really thought of tracing the timeline of their "suicides" against when, where, & what projects they were working on just prior to their untimely demise. The combination of the timeline against works in progress right before their deaths & anything that they all may have had in common should make for good comparison.

-Anathema



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by TheIrishJihad

On most Army/Naval installations the guards on duty are usually enlisted men/women, not outside contractors. So it would then depend on their security level. I tend to think a enlisted guard would have the ok to check anything suspicious since he/she is technically on watch. At least that's how it works in most the bases I have been on.


It being Marconi, I'd have to assume it's private.

However, even on an Army base, if it's a SCIF, you can't enter it alone. Generally there are guards to shoot you for that sort of thing, even if it's closed for the shift, which they rarely are.

A private contractor SCIF may be closed down for a shift, but again, you can't enter it alone. I can't go in OURS alone, and the building guards damn well do not have the combination. If someone has to work late, you have to drag someone in to babysit.

It's also not a glass office. More like a safe - it's even got a Mosler door.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 07:04 PM
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@ Bedlam: Should you actually be disclosing this on a public forum? Don't want to see you get roasted.


What I meant to convey was I hadn't really thought of tracing the timeline of their "suicides" against when, where, & what projects they were working on just prior to their untimely demise. The combination of the timeline against works in progress right before their deaths & anything that they all may have had in common should make for good comparison.

Something tells me their projects weren't that important, but instead who they were in contact with.
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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by XeroOne
@ Bedlam: Should you actually be disclosing this on a public forum? Don't want to see you get roasted.


There's limits - I won't post pics for proof, that didn't go over the one time I did it, but at least I wasn't like one guy on Fark who posted a screen capture from Intelink-S.



Something tells me their projects weren't that important, but instead who they were in contact with.


It doesn't make sense to train these guys up and then assassinate them. I don't buy the "the scientists learned too much and had to be killed" thing, although there's certainly projects we've worked on where I wish the scientists HAD been killed.

Maybe they did a one-off for a specific task and the task-ee didn't appreciate it a lot. We've done a couple of things I had no idea where they went or who they got used on that likely were unlawful, if they weren't used for "internal demos". They certainly would have been quite irritating to the recipient, and we were told not to put logos on inner layers and whatnot like we often do.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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It doesn't make sense to train these guys up and then assassinate them. I don't buy the "the scientists learned too much and had to be killed" thing, although there's certainly projects we've worked on where I wish the scientists HAD been killed.



I could imagine a few scenarios where TPTB would go to extreme measures to kill so many high end scientists that all worked for the same company and were all exposed to the same Way Above Top Secret / Classified project/s.

Suppose they were involved in reverse engineering Alien Tech and used that info to build and implement the Star Wars program. Perhaps they were systematically killed off for fear of them revealing that we weaponized space and could destroy any aircraft, missle, city, etc in a moments notice.

Heres a thought exercise. Think about people like the German Scientists brought here after and during WW2 that pioneered modern rocketry which paved the way to the atomic bomb. The Nazis woulda killed them all to stop them from helping us and we probably woulda killed them to stop them from sharing that tech with any other country. Actually 110% sure we woulda killed them to safeguard atomic/nuclear tech, modern rocketry, etc.. Had we not recruited them then we wouldn't have the nuclear bomb, would have lost WW2, Germany would likely have developed the bomb, the world would be MUCH worse for ware, etc...

Bottom line is that those scientists most likely were killed for the following reasons which when examined it becomes clear as to why they were killed.

1. They worked on Top Secret Defense Programs
2. Fear of them divulging said info to the public
3. Possibility of a foreign country using them to replicate said technology
4. Bottim line they must destroy any avenue of said info or tech getting out into the world weather by word of mouth or by replication of the tech

-Anathema

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