The American People Are Angry!

reply to post by BABYBULL24

No doubt about the left right paradigm - just thought it was Ron Paul against the Fed but he sold out to Romney so done with him.

IMO - Really if somebody stepped up & explained how these private Central Bankers are ripping off the entire world - they would win the US Presidency in a landslide or more likely they would get their head blown off - see JFK.

But in the end even if Bernie is a Socialist or Communist & he wants to end the "Private Federal Reserve Bank" then he is a friend of mine.

Peace

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."

Mayer Amschel Rothschild

"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves!

Andrew Jackson 1836 (speaking to a group of globalist bankers)

Well, it was Rand who sold out to Mittens, not Ron, but its easy to lump families together, so Ron gets the flack. You're right, though, that was the coup de gras for Dr. Paul in a sins of the sons sort of way. Of course he never had a real chance to win to begin with because of the system that's in place, but short of getting himself JFK'd, he sure did wake up a lot of sleepy people and that can't be a bad thing.

Its the system we need to buck and yes, Andrew Jackson was an honest to god system bucker despite the fact that he got a lot of innocent people killed in the process. But he/we lost in the end. Now Bernie bucks the system. Dr. Paul bucks it, and unless we expect one or two people to bail our hind ends out of this mess, we need to start bucking the system, ourselves. Hard. The only way I can see to really do that is to stop using it. Stop cooperating. Stop participating.

So I'd really like to hear (and share) more suggestions of what we CAN do to buck this ridiculous system and since we have NO say over what the fed govt does, we need to start small and build up our cities, counties and states and dump the local "bigwigs" who are joined at the hip to the fed bigwigs so we have more clout.

Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by yuppa
reply to post by Ashertron

 

You can be a bodybuilder with 1 percent fat and still be considered Obese under the BMI. .

But most American's aren't bodybuilders...Try again.

Talk about individual rights is all well and good, but it's just talk. I don't see most of you doing the things you proclaim you can do. I don't see any of you driving without a license, or not paying your taxes. How do I know this? Cause you are here talking to us. Your ass would be in jail if you did those things.

The problem is extremism. Is there a problem with government? Sure, but many posters here are extremists, so what good does their opinion do? Most American's aren't extremists. They don't want to do back to the 18th century and they don't want to live in a commie country either. It's somewhere in the middle. It's hard for most people on ATS to grasp, but most American's are not ideological driven people and they never will be. Most posters here seems to be anarchists, ok, most american's aren't anarchists.

And therein lies the problem, all of your protests fall on deaf ears because they aren't like you. They never will be.

edit on 1-7-2012 by antonia because: opps

Are you trying to say extremists are not allowed a voice with the media? Are you saying only democrats and republicans should be allowed advertisements? Are you saying they are too dangerous and thus national security threats?

How much airtime do the libertarians get? How much airtime does the green party get? How much airtime does the socialist party usa get, or the progressive party, or the constitution party, or the communist party, or ........

The fact only parties and people with LOTS OF MONEY can push their agenda and NOT ALLOW people the right to choice effectively means THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY! Sure they get a little time, but the bare minimum.

There is political ignorance for sure. Time to change that, correct? No more voting with money and the first amendment being misconstrued to allow campaign donations. A vote tax should take care of everything and shorten the campaign process because it is way to long imho!

Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by yuppa
reply to post by Ashertron

 

You can be a bodybuilder with 1 percent fat and still be considered Obese under the BMI. .

But most American's aren't bodybuilders...Try again.

Talk about individual rights is all well and good, but it's just talk. I don't see most of you doing the things you proclaim you can do. I don't see any of you driving without a license, or not paying your taxes. How do I know this? Cause you are here talking to us. Your ass would be in jail if you did those things.

The problem is extremism. Is there a problem with government? Sure, but many posters here are extremists, so what good does their opinion do? Most American's aren't extremists. They don't want to do back to the 18th century and they don't want to live in a commie country either. It's somewhere in the middle. It's hard for most people on ATS to grasp, but most American's are not ideological driven people and they never will be. Most posters here seems to be anarchists, ok, most american's aren't anarchists.

And therein lies the problem, all of your protests fall on deaf ears because they aren't like you. They never will be.

edit on 1-7-2012 by antonia because: opps

We are extremists?

How about realists - about about we have a concept of personal responsibility. One of the main reasons we have gotten into this mess is because of wanting someone to make the hard choices for us, and of course with that some scumbags get into the decision making process and turn it to their advantage.

So when everything turns belly up, the people can blame themselves.

(and don't come a looking towards us extremists, because we have prepared for this - you are on your own, the government won't be looking out for you, they will be taking care of themselves as the people fight for the scraps left behind)

reply to post by MidnightTide


The people who vote regularly have LOTS OF RESPONSIBILITY because THEY PUT corrupt people and parties into power or are you going to say "they are all the same"? Capitalism is winner takes all since the industrial revolution.

The bankers are parasites but so is everyone else who speculates on wallstreet. A tiny minority of folks make an awful good living lending/investing their money and when the government comes a calling they hide their money offshore. The multinationals do the same thing. The whole system is rigged from a capitalist perspective favoring big business.

"We the people" implies socialism hence why china called itself the peoples republic of china. Time for people to learn politics so they don't get taken as complete imbeciles by the politicians pandering for votes with shallow promises.

I could go into masonry, zionism, ufos&aliens, alternative history, knight templars and phoney religions but we need to learn the basics first!!

there was recent 3 part series of articles which is topical to the Bernie Sanders rant...

snip from part 3: www.theburningplatform.com...
(there are hyper links to access parts 1 & 2 on the page)

...The Wall Street maggots (i.e. J.P. Morgan) crawl around the decaying welfare corpse, extracting hundreds of millions in fees from the EBT system and the SNAP program as they encourage higher levels of spending.

This is all part of the diversion. Forty five years after the War on Poverty began, there are 49 million Americans living in poverty. That’s a solid good return on the $16 trillion spent so far. It’s on par with the 16 year zero percent real return in the stock market. We have produced a vast underclass of ignorant, uneducated, illiterate, dependent people who have become a huge voting block for the Democratic Party. Politicians, on the left, promise more entitlements to these people in order to get elected. Politicians on the right will not cut the entitlements for fear of being branded as uncaring. The Republicans agree to keep the welfare state growing and the Democrats agree to keep the warfare state growing -bipartisanship in all its glory. And the middle class has been caught in a pincer movement between the free # entitlement army and the free # corporate army. The oligarchs have been incredibly effective at using their control of the media, academia and ideological think tanks to keep the middle class ire ...

i kept voting Ralph Nadar who was anti-corporatist and wanted to strip them of their acquired power for more than a decade...
the public was enthralled with the housing bubble profits and such...so let Nadar die on the vine but chose to support the crud that Øbama was slinging to the meathead public and before him the crud that the PNAC group and bunches of dual citizen neocons were slinging for the Bush-Cheney regime and the internet bubble get-rich-crud


i still like the tune-in---turn-on---drop-out advice from the 1960's ...
but that slogan is reamped to mean drop out from the grid/economy/corporate heirarchy
become a parasite if you can...live off the Nanny State as much as you can... only by sucking the system dry will it then collapse... elsewise the corporate-fascist elites will counter your ill advised 'revolution' with more Drones/ moresurvellience/ more intrusions into privacy and once actual 'Rights'


we are fast becoming mere chattel property of the state, here to serve the elites whims...and be erased-eradicated when the need arises...al'a Øbama.Care, aka the ACA, now confirmed as as a TAX that will follow you through life (just like the student loan repayment)

I have thought deep about this and this is my opinion on why americans are not reacting correctly. First we look at the political system, the voting scam we are offered. It starts back in school, somehow people are nto being taught how to vote. I believe this is americas root problem. We are told how to trust and what political party we are from a young age, we fall into that political party without researching it first.
We can change it but first hte public needs ot be educated. Starting with your very city youlive in the local comunity seats the mayors, we the people elct these people, our vote also counts on the state level elections, the senators, congress, representatives are elected via us common folks. Usually the state seats are occupied by the populous of the city leaders political staus. here we find the electorial voters, they are pick and chosen by city mayors state governor, senate, congressman, representatives- whatever political party they are the electorial voter will vote in that direction. Some states it is against the law to vote opposite of the governors political party, i may be wrong with this part i think Rhode Island is one of those states. learn the process change our country

Do you really want to how to start some thing rolling?

This is all my opinion, but why don't "We the People" demand that for 2 years the IRS accept our tax returns without being audited( they'll still have that 3rd year for an audit) in order for the IRS to focus on the IRS auditing corporations to make sure they get our 35% of corporate tax plus any outstanding fees? They can go at least 3 years back.

Give each team of forensic auditors a bonus. A set percent (fraction cause it's gonna be big) of what ever they recover? Why? It will keep them focused and diligent. The cool part about that is that we get to tax the agents bonus.




I don't think this will happen, but it would get someones attention.

What can we do about this greed? The ones on top already suckered you all out of your money. You all put them there to do son without ever questioning a damn thing! They have drove you through two pointless wars to fill their pockets all while the lower class only makes 3/10th of 1% of the wealth in this country. It's obvious that no one on top should be trusted, not even those in office that allowed this change of hands and money for so long! We are seeing the true values of a Capitalist system and its downfall. Will we continue to allow this downfall of American culture and its system that our forefathers fought and died to create so we would allow heretics to control this out of control, asinine, blown out system? Apparently we are making this statement become true as each second goes by. Are you as a citizen going to allow this? You have this long! Do you have no voice? Are you incompetent? The longer we wait, the more they will take until we get rid of these cohorts that have ruined our American culture and the system that once controlled it. Maybe we should all leave our houses and walk across the country hand in hand standing up against what they have done to the world and our country and if anything gets in our way we will over take it in numbers?!!

If you want to figure out who to oppose start by reading your history, the founding families, particularly the Russell family who of course also founded Skull and Bones thereby having control of many of your presidents would be a good start.

The Russells opened the doors for the overthrow of the UK system many years back as well so now we have to accept leaders who are servants of Rome, despite a majority being opposed to the Catholic church, Tony Blair is a knight of Malta, doing the Vaticans work in the middle east.

We are all now ruled by rome, the 4th Reich is nearly complete. The final piece will be when the pope moves to his new palace in East Jerusalem, granted during the Oslo accord, of course Americans are too scared of the imaginary man in the sky to ever believe that the Mother Church could be behind this. The church is behind all the various orders, templars, knights of malta etc etc. The church is the illuminati.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN 5000 YEARS. "The world is ruled by kings and queens that blind our eyes and steal our dreams."

Sometimes they are priest kings, but it is the same tired old formula again and again.

So first look at the founding families, then look at the Crown, ie the Crown Corporation of the TEMPLAR Inn, City of London, then dismantle the secret societies, then stop the wars you fight for others, then be the first DEMOCRACY ever on the face of the earth. At present you are a constitutional republic, us Brits a constitutional monarchy, the world is yet to see democracy and I really cant be #ed with being a Roman tbh

reply to post by froglette


41 Obama White House aides owe the IRS $831000 in back taxes ...
According to current federal law, the only federal employees who can be fired for not paying taxes are IRS workers. RELATED: ...
news.investors.com/ article/ 599002/ 201201260818/ obama-white-house-staff-back-taxes.htm

Jan 24, 2012 ... About 98000 federal, postal and congressional employees owed $1.03 ..... democrats in congress have been caught not paying taxes - NOT ...
www.sodahead.com/ united-states/ federal-employees-owe-103-billion-in-unpaid-taxes/ question-2414963/

Feb 17, 2011 ... "All federal employees, not just IRS employees, should be held accountable ... If you are going to fire employees for not paying their taxes. ... much not just " seriously delinquent tax debt") If they do not get caught up in the set ...
voices.washingtonpost.com/ federal-eye/ 2011/ 02/ coburn_reintroduces_bill_to_fi.html

And we're supposed to demand what? Just keep on filing like good little doobies, they've got it all under control.


ETA: apparently none of the links are live, but these facts are easily found on any search engine.

Te sad thing is, nobody is watching Bernie Sanders. The Senate was empty, which is ridiculous. We send them there to work for us and most of them are off lounging in the cigar room. There might not be the impetus to overthrow the government yet, but imagine if the government allows this to keep spiraling for another few years... Some have said that with healthcare under his belt, a newly re-elected Obama might go after the firearms and ammunition sales. An attack on the second amendment might trigger a response from elements in the extreme right. This could precipitate a full-blown melt-down of government control. This is exacerbated by having local law enforcement officials like Sheriff Arpaio in Maricopa County Arizona ready to defy the federal government, then the dissent might be organized. How many military officers would refuse an order to fire on the American people? Would the marines at Camp Pendleton subdue San Diego, or would they join a rebellion? If the federal government chooses to disavow the constitution and interpret it in strange ways that are obviously not correct, then all bets would be off. There are things that, if done, might tip things out of control fast. Look out for another war, because this is typically used to keep our minds off of our troubles.

Originally posted by trustnothing
If you want to figure out who to oppose start by reading your history, the founding families, particularly the Russell family who of course also founded Skull and Bones thereby having control of many of your presidents would be a good start.

The Russells opened the doors for the overthrow of the UK system many years back as well so now we have to accept leaders who are servants of Rome, despite a majority being opposed to the Catholic church, Tony Blair is a knight of Malta, doing the Vaticans work in the middle east.

We are all now ruled by rome, the 4th Reich is nearly complete. The final piece will be when the pope moves to his new palace in East Jerusalem, granted during the Oslo accord, of course Americans are too scared of the imaginary man in the sky to ever believe that the Mother Church could be behind this. The church is behind all the various orders, templars, knights of malta etc etc. The church is the illuminati.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN 5000 YEARS. "The world is ruled by kings and queens that blind our eyes and steal our dreams."

www.wepin.com...

Antifederalist No. 8 "THE POWER VESTED IN CONGRESS OF SENDING TROOPS FOR SUPPRESSING INSURRECTIONS WILL ALWAYS ENABLE THEM TO STIFLE THE FIRST STRUGGLES OF FREEDOM"

Antifederalist No. 9 A CONSOLIDATED GOVERNMENT IS A TYRANNY

....

There are 85 articles in the antifederalist papers and they successfully predicted what has come to pass. The experiment in liberty was flawed from the outset as stated in:

Antifederalist No. 1 GENERAL INTRODUCTION: A DANGEROUS PLAN OF BENEFIT ONLY TO THE "ARISTOCRATICK COMBINATION"

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Are you trying to say extremists are not allowed a voice with the media? Are you saying only democrats and republicans should be allowed advertisements? Are you saying they are too dangerous and thus national security threats?

When did I say any such thing?

How much airtime do the libertarians get? How much airtime does the green party get? How much airtime does the socialist party usa get, or the progressive party, or the constitution party, or the communist party, or ........

They would get more airtime if people shared those views and the MSM could make money off it. Simple fact is it is very easy to campaign through social media for cheap these days. If you can't make head roads that way it's likely most people just don't share your views.

The fact only parties and people with LOTS OF MONEY can push their agenda and NOT ALLOW people the right to choice effectively means THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY! Sure they get a little time, but the bare minimum.

And then there is the possibility that most American's simply do not share the views of the average ATS anarchist.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
We are extremists?

How about realists

No, you are not, The average american does not support the things most of you call for. If you were realistic you would admit that.

So when everything turns belly up, the people can blame themselves.

You guys have been saying this for five years. I suspect the entire world isn't going to collapse anytime soon. I don't buy into the ATS mad max fantasy.

reply to post by plethora68


To be perfectly honest, I think they want you to have a revolution on the current clueless terms so that they can cull the herd. There are probably only a few thousand people responsible for all the worlds woes, we need to simply go after those guys then it would all stop. Politicians are low level no bodies picked for their ability to lie and decieve.

I posted some details on another thread about how the intelligence agencies keep lists of indiscrations so they can manipulate politicians. You will find the only ones speaking out are the ones that dont have dirty secrets. They tend to have car accidents and things instead. I bet Ran Paul got sent pictures of himself with a hooker or someone elses wife or something like that.

Another idea would be to start doxing their secrets to remove them from power. This is where the internet is good as group research can go along way when focused enough. Of course you also need to dismantle your CIA as it is controlled by Rome and possibly also bought by wall street, they provided funding in the 50s I believe.

Maybe your lobbyists could help make it illegal to be in a secret society? This way you would have no more Skull and Bones presidents or maybe you just need to learn to dodge the armour piercing rounds homeland security are stockpiling. I think they want a revolution AFTER they collapse the dollar so they can clear the land and start afresh. You need to do something soon in my view.

We will continue to help in any way we can, however my current main project is going to be going after the UK Lords and their connections to the drugs trade and illegal money laundering via offshore banks so that there is some good references when the real # hits regarding the financial terrorism taking place in the world.

I posted a few things on this thread on Barclays highlighting the Nazi connections etc as well as some stuff about Cameron etc in another post. Plus I am trying to find links between Marcus Agius and Imperial Rome
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by antonia


How much airtime do the libertarians get? How much airtime does the green party get? How much airtime does the socialist party usa get, or the progressive party, or the constitution party, or the communist party, or ........

gee u would thnk FOX/ABC/NBC,etc,,would have figured out by now ,why the internet is SOOOO popular!!!!

DUH!

How much airtime does the socialist party usa get, or the progressive party, or the constitution party, or the communist party, or ........

I'd love too watch a communist party, speach in real time,,,
or a
constitution party,
progressive party,
Black Panther party
Muslum Rights part
etc,,,
in real time,,equal AIR TIME,,kinda like a CNN, Political Party Coverage Channel,,,ALL parties,, lol

"and at 7:00 we have the Cable Channel party"

lol

reply to post by trustnothing


The protocols of the learned elders of zion AND the secret covenant explain everything reasonably well...some would say perfectly. The world is full of darkness, up is down and down is up. Left is right and right is left. Day is night and night is day. Socialism is bad and capitalism is good. open borders are good and closed border are bad. Instead of saying innocent they say not guilty. If you are a garbage cleaner you are a sanitation engineer. It is bad to discuss jewish affairs if you are not jewish. It is bad to discuss if it was 1 million jews gassed or 6 million jews gassed. National socialism synonymous with fascism has been misinterprated as state capitalism.

Theater of the absurd. Gets old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by frazzle


More to prove my point. You get tax paying forensic accountants in there. They unlike most of the government The IRS is still subject some rules and laws.

My opinion is this, if people got together to call for this kind of financial justice. I'm not asking for one law to be changed. I am not asking for revolution. To be honest, my opinion is the reason it hasn't happened is corruption. If a large group of people began calling for it and didn't stop till it happened then it just might happen. One could ask the question, what is it you have to hide? If you've done nothing wrong, then show us.

Things would change.

I'm not saying that this would happen, it would be great.

This would get the attention of the overwhelmed average citizen. Yes, why can't we do that? I've been or someone I know has been audited.

reply to post by BobAthome


I'd like to see it too, my political views aren't exactly mainstream either, but my main point is it's very unrealistic to assume most American's would support any of the crap most people on ATS support. Most people on ATS are pretty much anarchists, they don't get that there will always be a government. It isn't something that just fell from the sky one day. It's evolved with human beings and we will never be rid of it.

The problem with this site is people seem to think they have more support than they really do. I call it "ATS insulation syndrome", they come here, chat a bit and leave thinking everyone thinks like they do.

reply to post by BobAthome



Socialist party of the USA





Communist party of the USA



There you go. All on youtube!