Stay at home women degrade the status of women in our society.

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Manipulation on a mass scale ..

Feminism is and was created for the purpose of trapping women in the economic system..







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Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by SearchLightsInc

 

That's a really bad analogy. Your picture doesn't have repercussions on the well being of the rest of society.

The OP has made a thread because they heard some woman ranting on the radio about how bad it is to be a housewife, they were made to feel under-valued because they obviously dont rate their own work. My analogy states simply that if i draw a picture and no one rates it, should i also make a thread complaining that no one validates the effort i put into my "art" ? They are one and the same.

The derision and discouragement of stay at home women does. True feminism wouldn't deride women for staying at home - it would say value this role for playing its part in developing and maintaining a cohesive and fully functioning society. Without these women...well...we'd end up with dysfunctional mess we live with now.

There's no such thing as "true feminism" in modern times, as ive said before there are several strands of feminism, this one being an extreme strand where the brand has been distorted to suit the preachers needs. People need to read up on the simple fact that there is not just ONE type of feminism, there are MANY. Just like there are many interpretations of Marxism.

The promotion of 'women's rights' has actually equated to the dismantling of the family unit

No. The dismantling of the family occured due to economic changes. With the removal of well paid unskilled jobs (such as factory work) shipped off oversea's, indroduction of part-time work, the average wage stagnating over the past 40 years, inflation, rise in cost of living while a reduction in standard of living, the breakup of the family is down to the changing economy. Feminism simply gave women the option to support themselves should they ever need to due to.

Stay at home mums (or grandmothers in your case) deserve the highest respect for bringing up children and supporting their family.

Pay no heed to the aggressive feminists who rarely, if ever, have found the time to have children, and more and more deeply regret that decision the older they become.

They have made some very poor life choices and simply resent any women who has not made their mistake of trying to find happiness in life by solely pursuing a career.

"Stay at home women degrade the status of women in our society" written by some "feminist" and read by some "radio personality" (gee I wonder who).

Well congrats for allowing yourself to be used as a political tool and for getting stirred up as intended. And for allowing your life choices and consequences to become a point of contention in a political game and a lure for those who might think it's okay to judge others at all, typically with not knowing any facts and typically as a measure in defense or validation of their own choices.

A person's life and lifestyle is what they are are forced by choice and circumstances to make it. But the point is it's their life. It's no one else's business really...certainly not to judge or congratulate them on...and certainly not to use as a weapon. The feminist is allowed her opinion and choices and the radio personality is allowed to comment on it to gain listeners and more money, but why is it that it makes you feel a need to defend your own choices or circumstances?

The only thing you should be gleaning from this experience is that there are people out there who will use things like this to rile you up and get you "on their side." In my opinion, all that causes is hate and discontent and more divisiveness

You putting this in Political Madness is more telling than you know.

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Another thread attacking feminism...

/Faceplam.

Or .. another feminist attacking women for not following 'the rules of feminism'. Now where have i heard similar things before, umm church&religious cults i think, but i digress.

I am proFEMale to the bone but antifeminist for the obvious reasons. Never join a club who would want you as a member.

reply to post by R0CR13


Actually it wasn't. Feminism naturally evolved as a result of laws allowing husbands the legal right of physically abusing their wives and the fact women didn't have many rights, for example to having an education or in the workplace. The Suffragettes didn't suffer for the further paining of women.

The fact that women now have more rights maybe has been abused by those in power, effectively attempting enslavement in other ways but it certainly wasn't the intention of the original equality pioneers.

history of feminism

Originally posted by Exitt

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Another thread attacking feminism...

/Faceplam.

Or .. another feminist attacking women for not following 'the rules of feminism'. Now where have i heard similar things before, umm church&religious cults i think, but i digress.

I am proFEMale to the bone but antifeminist for the obvious reasons. Never join a club who would want you as a member.

Several types of feminism, the one the OP is referring to is an extreme type of feminism (so it does not fully represent ALL feminism)
And the facepalm is because this yet ANOTHER thread on ATS attacking feminism. Seriously!?

Originally posted by grandmakdw
While listening to a radio personality reading an article from a feminist who says women who “stay home” are 1%’ers who drag other women down and lower female status, I had to sit down and listen.

I had just finished vacuuming and dusting our 2200 sq foot house; mopping the wood and tile floors; and doing 3 loads of laundry. As I was preparing to clean the bathrooms and kitchen I listened as a woman said I was “kept” and not making a valuable contribution to society since I’m not a professional paid housekeeper.

I have to admit this was my “housecleaning day”, so what about the rest of the week. Well, I cook for my husband and I and take a meal over to my Mom every day. But that’s not work, is it? After all I’m not a professional chef.

Since I’m a grandma I have to admit I don’t have children at home. My senior executive daughter does “real” work, so when her kids get sick, I care for them, that’s not work is it? When the kids need to be driven to things outside of school, I drive them, but that’s not work. It would only be work if my daughter paid me to be a nanny and nurse, but since I stay at home and don’t really work, it’s not real work is it? When my husband or Mom are ill I stay with them and care for them until they recover. But that’s not work, unless I was a certified nursing assistant.

Well, the kids aren’t always sick or need chauffeuring around, so I really am kept aren’t I? I guess the quilts I make for the women in shelters and the homeless and for camps for foster kids, that’s not work. After all no one buys my quilts so that’s not real work, I’m just a kept woman who goes out to lunch with the quilt guild once a week.

Oh, tomorrows task? Mowing and trimming our lawn and my mother’s lawn. Hope the aggressive spraying I’ve done in our and Mom’s garden has rid them of the beetles, but I digress. No that’s not work, that’s being kept since I’m not a paid gardener.

My husband does the real work and keeps me. So when he calls me to run an errand for him that he doesn’t have time to do since he works, that’s being kept. When I buy the groceries and shop for bargains to save us money, that’s being kept, not real work. When I search for replacement parts for broken or lost items, that’s not work. When I buy special bargains to take to a local shelter for the mentally challenged isn’t work, is it? Unless I was a personal shopper, but I’m not, I’m kept.

So I guess she is right, I’m just a kept woman who degrades the role of women in the world. Especially since at one time I was a college professor who now stays home to take care of 3 generations. What a bad example I set for other women.

I have to say that I do not agree with anyone that says that stay at home mother's aren't a contribution to society. They are often the largest contribution. like you said... watching other people's sick children whether it's friends, family, or even sometime just the casual neighbor that they speak to every so often. Stay at home mother's add value by donating their time in many instances.

I respect you for what you do... and honestly would rather see more stay at home mothers caring for their children.

I think it's too much that you're cutting the grass though. No matter how long I work, I don't let my wife do that task. Even when I need to leave town for over a week, I hire lawn care for that week. She could do it, but I don't want to put that burden on her. We have a large yard and I haven't invested in a riding lawnmower. If I had one, then I'd let her do it.

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
reply to post by McGinty

 

There would have to ba a major shift from governments regarding employment laws and opportunities for such an environment to universally exist.

Indeed there would, and that's why i'm on ATS - hoping to see, or even take part in the genesis of such changes for the better life for all.

Sadly, it may only happen if someone discovers how corps can make a greater profit out of p/t work.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
reply to post by McGinty

 

I would love if everyone could work 2-3 days a week and have enough money to enjoy life. (maybe in the future robots can help us out here, before they turn on us for treating them as slaves of course haha

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I'm sure when most of us were kids, we didn't expect to sign up for a all work and no fun life.

Certainly not. Kids know it ain't all gonna be roses, but they dream of being the exception. Ironically the biggest hurdle to kids is adults telling them there are no exceptions, we either except our lot, or suffer.

Screw those guys!

Originally posted by LadySkadi
Wasn't the point of the feminist movement meant to give weight and value to the decisions women make for themselves? Decisions that were to be validated and accepted as legitimately as men's decision were? If true, then women who choose to stay at home are (and should be) as valued as those who choose to pursue careers. The whole point was choice...

ETA: femi-nazis are not representative of the majority, as with many typically polarizing groups, they're just the loudest.

edit on 18-6-2012 by LadySkadi because: (no reason given)

If you believe Aaron Russo,
according to a conversation he had with Nick Rockefella,
The Feminist movement was cleverly sold as giving women the freedoms you describe.
He argues that it was clandestinely funded in part, by the CIA and the main reasons were to get women out to work so they could be taxed and to get children into pre-school care so they could start the indoctrination process at a much earlier age. you can hear Aaron explain it all on Youtube.

PEACE,
RK

Originally posted by Ml5edtoDeath
There was a time one adult in a household earned enough to pay all the bills, keep a mortgage, run two cars and have at least one vacation a year. No two adults working can barely achieve all of the above.

It seems to me the feminist agenda has been hijacked by corporations to raise the labour pool and depress wages.

BINGO.

If there are kids or grand kids in the picture, and you are helping to raise them then you deserve a big round of applause. You don't deserve to hear BS from some idiot feminist.

I am a full time professional with two infant children. It is very hard work to be at home with my kids. Whether grandma (who usually does it and for whom I have hired an assistant), mom or myself, we bust our butts.

This makes me want to form a real "No Ma'am" group.

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The Suffragettes were a different matter ... The Feminist Movement was and is a manipulation .

Entertain that notion for a second and do a little research before you decide .

I can tell you the effect of the movement was exactly what the Social engineers wanted .

1950's a man could support a family on his earnings alone

2012 you're lucky if both parents can find work the combined income is of less benefit than a single persons was in the 50's

That is Devaluation of your worth as a worker ... welcome to slavery .

The point Russo is making is while the Movement seemed to be about Civil Rights ,,,And most of us were happy to support it ..

It was Not .

The Writings of the Social Engineers confirms this intention in black and white decades ago .

Break up the family and Institute the State as the Parent .

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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
reply to post by McGinty

 

I would love if everyone could work 2-3 days a week and have enough money to enjoy life. (maybe in the future robots can help us out here, before they turn on us for treating them as slaves of course haha

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I'm sure when most of us were kids, we didn't expect to sign up for a all work and no fun life.

The funny thing is, after ww2 they were predicting that eventually everyone would work part time. Ahh, it would be lovely

The establishment, the upper classes that ran the 1st world suddenly found they had a nation of well trained killers as citizens... If the lies weren't big 'n convincing what would stop this victorious army from over-turning the greedy of their own lands (indeed Hitler himself saw the UK as very similar to Germany - a potential alley).

So they sold us the dream.

reply to post by SearchLightsInc


I'd refer you back to my original post on the previous page of this thread where i state that I am a 'post modern marxist feminist' and what utter tripe feminism has become purely because it continually attempts to prove its intellectual legitimacy. Your selective quoting of my reply to your post omitted the key point re your poor analogy....your rotten painting skills has zero impact on society at large.

reply to post by R0CR13


read your first post on this, then read mine. then read the last post of yours. you will see that your wording was wrong and my information correct.

Feminism wasn't invented by Rockafella.

Feminism started a very long time ago.

I provided a research link, please read this before getting angry at actual facts.

reply to post by phroziac


I personally know a few families where the mother stays home, (Or works from home) because daycare would just about wipe out her paycheck. When my daughter was young, preschool/daycare was $850 a month. That was just for one kid.

I have a friend who is a stay at home mother, who does daycare to earn money. Sher makes more than I did, working full time outside the home!! Plus, her husband has his laundry done, the house cleaned, and a hot dinner waiting for him when he gets home. I think they both have a good thing going for them. A few years ago where I live, a couple had their baby in daycare, and the daycare worker shook their baby, who now has brain damage, is blind and deaf. Was it worth it? Now they have medical bills they can't afford.

There is a big difference between a homemaker, and someone that just doesn't want to work.

Originally posted by grandmakdw
While listening to a radio personality reading an article from a feminist who says women who “stay home” are 1%’ers who drag other women down and lower female status, I had to sit down and listen.

So I guess she is right, I’m just a kept woman who degrades the role of women in the world. Especially since at one time I was a college professor who now stays home to take care of 3 generations. What a bad example I set for other women.

Yep, it's women like you who drag other women down. And, it's women like you who keep the institution of marriage alive, build successful households, raise well behaved chlidren, maintain sanity and don't end up divorced.

It's women like the radio personality you talked about that are making marriage an obsolete institution, raise selfish and uncontrollable children, and are destroying the whole concept of family units that depend on one-another for survival.

It's women like you that throughout history have helped to make our species a success, and I applaud you!

You have my deepest respect!

And, just for anyone who may think that sounds sexist, I would have no problem with the roles being reversed and the woman working with the man staying home and maintaining the household, but marrriages do need to have the partners depending on each other for survival. Otherwise the whole concept of marriage is obsolete.

Feminism is an elite movement. It only exists within circles of women who have the capacity and ambition to land a desirable job, that requires a phd. Nobody is concerned about the gener ratio of soldiers, elictricians, plumbers, construction workers or the like.