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How Long Are "We The People" Going To Wait Before We Demand "TREASON" ... Starting at the VERY T

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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:12 PM
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With 30,000 drones flying around watching every move we make, with the NSA listening to every phone converstation and scanning every website and email, you really think we are dumb enough to actually DO something? I don't feel like disappearing off the face of the earth without a trace. Just what do you suggest WE actually DO? Maybe you are a government agent just trying to stir things up.




posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by AkumaStreak
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This posts reveals that you don't even know who the truest enemies are (I was with you 100% in the OP, but then realized although we feel the same, we blame different things). Guess we've all been brainwashed, just in different ways. Take me, for ex. I am extremely anti-corporatist/modern big business (those who put unbridled greed/profits about everything else ethics-wise, and those who believe in infinite growth (practicing grow to implode, basically, as it's unsustainable) model on fixed size planet). We can't even agree on the enemy. A true shadow enemy, I guess. :-( For ex., I think for-profit healthcare is wrong/as plain a conflit of interest as there could ever be. Remember, non-profit does NOT mean that people can't be salaried in their jobs/careers.

I do agree with you, but I think you are blaming the puppets more than the puppet masters. Puppets allow things to continue/get worse... and guilty is guilty, so...
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Well....I don't disagree with you and your comment. I do blame the face...the puppet...but I think i'm more angry that we the people have allowed this to happen in the first place. I would even go back as far to the Bush's...Jr was good his first 4 years...his second tho was bad....very bad. but in all honesty i think this has been in motion for 100 years or so. It's all been a devised plan and the timing was important and I think it all lined up with Obama and a lot of it could have been put in check if we the people had been paying attention and doing our job in vetting the man. We failed



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:19 PM
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Should be interesting when they come to confiscate all of the guns in East LA.



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by otheym
With 30,000 drones flying around watching every move we make, with the NSA listening to every phone converstation and scanning every website and email, you really think we are dumb enough to actually DO something? I don't feel like disappearing off the face of the earth without a trace. Just what do you suggest WE actually DO? Maybe you are a government agent just trying to stir things up.



Well I'm not a government agent stirring things up...I can assure you that. I'm a veteran and a civilian that spent 8 years in afghanistan being brainwashed. I was injured...came home and had too much time on my hands and started investigating things...investigating claims the news agencies would make...and was enlightened by people that have been at this a lot longer than I. It's sickening to be honest.

I don't want to be wiped off the face of the Earth either...and I can agree that the government probably is waiting with fangs out for an uprising to occur. I mean we started all this off with vocally supporting the overtaking of Egypt and it's continued from there in the middle east. We may not have been involved but our vocal support was enough. I would think that an uprising is exactly what our government expects from the people. but they will try to quietly squash it by placing us in prisons or camps and then to violence.

I don't know what we can do. I want something to happen. I want something good to happen...but unfortunately we all may have to fight for what we believe in....again!



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:44 PM
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I feel never.

The average person is drugged up, dumbed down and divided to the extent that our enslavement and assimilation is assured.

Whats more our master could very well be demons/jinns described in our holy books most of us laugh at.

Just watch TV, read the top novels...............the average human is asleep and chooses to remain so.



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:49 PM
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One thing is for sure. The true people in power are controlling you. The multinational corporations are running things now. First company's started little games, playing state against state to make billions and not pay taxes. Now they have progressed to play country against country. They have slowly extended their dominance to control all of the main media controlling the minds of all the little people who never really take the time to research why they so passionately want to destroy the "other" political party. They are whipped up just like the poor German people by sources they trust! Was German population evil or was it manipulated?
If you own the media you create your own truth. If you want to see a Nazi style propaganda engine, check out Fox News. News? Ya right.
Second, through lobbying big money has slowly influenced all our laws and regulations. They have taken control of our courts, changing law to allow them use their great resources to now buy elections and therefore politicians.
THE GOVERNMENT IS CONTROLLED BY BIG BUSINESS!!! DUH!!!
I heard some crap the other day that labor unions were controlling everything. This is the richest humor that I've heard in a while. Labor Unions? Wow.
Third they seek to crush all lower class opposition by saying they are the cause of all our problems.
These lower class people are the poor, the elderly, labor unions etc.
We are being pushed constantly toward feudalism which is a very stable form of government.
We are following the same course as the one that caused the Great Depression.
We have removed all the regulations that were put in place to prevent another depression.

People unfortunately are very controllable and will not wake up until most are starving and all are being treated like dirt. Though if they are dumbed down enough (education removed) they will never wake up.

Personally, I think Canada is nice this time of year maybe its time for a change of venue.

Have a nice day.

Frip



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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Funny how folks speak of this communist country and all of the injustice.
I do agree that you get the justice you pay for and we are an oligarchy more than a republic.
However, I still own a gun, I know many who do too, I know some active duty military.
I am not too worried about my rights just yet.
Now when something big happens, we'll know to remove the head of the beast.
It sure does try to goad us into doing that alot.



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:53 PM
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Long time lurker but threads like this are starting to annoy me. How come no one in America looks at how corporations are the ones running things with politicians in cohoots. Everyone thinks they become a martyr patriot the second they blame the government for EVERYTHING. Corporations on the other hand are some sacred symbols of good ol' American free market so no one wants to hold them accountable. If you want to prosecute someone for treason then do so with the top management of MNCs that pollute the Earth, strip her of resources, buy politicians and judges , organize slave labor , ship jobs overseas among other horrible acts.



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by DAVID64
Most of America is too busy watching crap TV shows or sports to be bothered. Unless and until their cable is interrupted or their daily life is threatened in some way, don't expect any response to anything. They will sit and grumble, but that's about it. "Somebody needs to do something" is the battle cry. But many just don't want to be that "Somebody".
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I think deep down we all know it's too far gone. They have weapons that can stop thousands of people dead in their tracks in five minutes flat. They have amassed too much power, and the only ones to blame are our ancestors for letting them amass this power without saying anything or questioning it.



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:56 PM
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Here is a little direction for the what to do questions..

FORGET all labels. Democrat, republican, liberal, conservative, communist, fascist....

The fact is these are tools of division. The fascists went on a communist hunt, dems. against repubs.......

The underlying fact is that these are just set systems.
Everyone knows right from wrong.
The majority of these systems (no matter how demonized now) would do great........IF the people on the top were working in the people's best interest.

The problem of all ideologies and government systems has always been the eventual buying of rule by the oligarchy/plutocracy. Research these 2 terms and history. You got to know who is really at fault and who has hijacked your government before you can ponder fixing the problem.
en.wikipedia.org...

Then you can look back in history to what actually worked to fix the problem.
"Athenian techniques to prevent the rise of oligarchy" bottom of the wikipedia page.



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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:08 PM
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unfortunatly its more or less the same scenario across the world , "elected" leaders and people at the top miss use their powers and play out some sort of agenda that "we the people" are not apart of .. or we are apart of it as tax payers and nothing more..


sad thing about oaths that uphold constitutions is that its all bull****

there are really no laws or at least as far as i know laws that have been put to use for braking that oath at top level

and never will be

it only applies to common folk for some reason...



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:27 PM
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The Athenian techniques to prevent the rise of oligarchy would basically be to run a lottery system for all important political positions. Presumably out of a large group of qualified volunteers.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 12:04 AM
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All Empires have a beginning, a existence and a collapse. The people have stood silent and allowed it to happen.
The people of this country do not value there freedoms, therefore they do not deserve them. The people are reaping
just what they have sowed. The cycle of life, just as it should be.


www.youtube.com...

Buck



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 12:16 AM
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I know exactly what you mean, and I too am extremely frustrated.

Today's so-called "Americans" are NOT willing to so much as hear a possible version of the truth. They really rather pretend. I am not just guessing this; I have been told by people close to me. If you observe most people, it is as if they are in another world entirely, where they can tune out the evil and just keep listening to music, watching TV and movies, playing with their phones, working for less than they're worth, and having lots of fun with their friends.

Considering most people are this way, what the hell is worth raising the trouble for? (I wish I had statistics on it, but I don't. I won't try to estimate.) There are only a relative minority of us willing to recognize the problem! Are you going to fight and protest so that these buffoons can continue to work against your efforts? By ignoring the very problems we are willing to fight for, they are certainly against us.

The elite have created a mass of conditioned minds so weak that they can no longer handle to hear hints of truth. They are that bothered by it. Their worlds would literally be capsized if they could admit the truth, which is that the world is run my evil criminals. Not only do they not see them, they idolize them! Case in point: the Pope! There is no way in hell we can turn this country around with 'the herd' being led by a shepherd called the TV and film industry as well as the religious institutions!

They just LOVE being told how to live, what to wear, what to do, how to think. My GEEZ, if I ever had to put up with that garbage myself, I would rather die. That is called slavery, when you lose your freedom. We are losing more and more, and who the frick cares as long as my favorite show is on! I could mock strangle these people if I thought it'd wake them up to the serious problem we have!

The curtain might as well be closed. This country, this world, is gone. There is only more restrictions on the way. Jobs that pay even less, and a mass of livestock willing to remain further in the dark.

I hate this country, this world, at times. It does not foster life. It reeks of bondage and servitude. Forget this!!



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I stopped reading as soon as the OP mentioned america is a socialist nation turning towards communism. That was the first or second paragraph and said to myself this person has a twisted agenda. Have fun in make-believe lala land.

Did you hear anything about the bilderbergers and where they meet this year? Are they communist as well, despite the fact they are all corporate executives or mega shareholders? You people need to learn the basic definition of terms before we are to take you seriously enough to read the rest of your post.



Yes I am frustrated as hell from all the disinfo. THAT is why I even bother posting in such threads. To show my frustration. America does not need any revolution that will make it go even more right than what it is already. No thank you, no way jose!



So you believe that I posted misinformation? Really??? Your frustration shows your lack of knowledge on the subjects listed and I suggest you research what I wrote and see the information for yourself.


Well how the hell is it not misinformation??


Lack of knowledge?


It is really easy to see america is not socialist if you know the definitions! Nothing is nationalised, big business pays for the campaigns, the president rubber stamps legislation for big business in return, foreign wars for rebuilding contracts and fake planes on 9-11, bailouts only go to banks and other big business, outsourcing is rampant, illegal immigration is tolerated, etc.

HOW MANY REASONS DO YOU NEED?



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by FractalChaos13242017
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How long are YOU going to wait?

Once that time comes... What will you do?




I can only speak for my self and a hand full of friends. The Goverment will bring the fight to the people and I do suspect that we are being under estimated. They may have the stick, but they are severly out numbered. We have the home advantage and we're pretty good at the things we can do against our enemies whether they are foreign or domestic. Most of us are ready to "Lock and Load" when the time comes.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 02:59 AM
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Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Lots of government regulation(which is a big problem I will agree here) shows state capitalism which mussolini warned about with his fascist regime. No one listened cause he lost the war, then disinfo agents take his words out of context to show something that is not present in america. STATE CAPITALISM which is the highest evolved form of capitalism. The government itself is in the business of creating profit for itself and corporate buddies.


Sorry but Mussolini was right wing and all for state capitalism:

We are, in other words, a state which controls all forces acting in nature. We control political forces, we control moral forces we control economic forces, therefore we are a full-blown Corporative state. We stand for a new principle in the world, we stand for sheer, categorical, definitive antithesis to the world of democracy, plutocracy, free-masonry, to the world which still abides by the fundamental principles laid down in 1789. (Speech before the new Na­tional Directory of the Party, April 7, 1926, in Discorsi del 1926, Milano, Alpes, 1927, p. 120).


Since you brought up the idea of using correct definitions.

As for the OP, I have heard the same sentiment for decades. I personally don't think "We the People" will ever demand "TREASON". They make life comfortable enough for enough people so that the popular support just isn't there.


definitive antithesis to the world of democracy, plutocracy, free-masonry.

Someone who stands against plutocracy and free-masonry is not right wing.

The right wing comes with nationalism though. And the corporative state sounds like ideas taken out of context probably on purpose. The book was published and copyrighted in 2000 by the University of Nebraska Press.

We all know how conservative and militant most nebraskans are so no suprise there. What suprises me though is that you fell for the bait and swallowed all the lies. I thought liberals were a bit smarter than conservatives, apparently not.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 04:03 AM
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Originally posted by Blaze1129

Originally posted by FractalChaos13242017
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How long are YOU going to wait?

Once that time comes... What will you do?




I can only speak for my self and a hand full of friends. The Goverment will bring the fight to the people and I do suspect that we are being under estimated. They may have the stick, but they are severly out numbered. We have the home advantage and we're pretty good at the things we can do against our enemies whether they are foreign or domestic. Most of us are ready to "Lock and Load" when the time comes.





The government will come at you one at a time -- just like the Nazis rolled up their population. Just like the US rolls up it's victim populations overseas.

You neighbors will not act when the troops/police come for you. In fact, they will probably get their 5 minutes of fame telling the trailing camera crews what stand-up people you were. A few days or weeks later, it will be your neighbor's turn.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 05:43 AM
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Should be interesting when they come to confiscate all of the guns in East LA.
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Do you think the rest of the country would even know about it, if it happened? I watched a documentary "Panama Deception" and back then the military was able to kill and destroy poor neighborhoods and test cool new weapons on the people without the rest of the neighborhoods even knowing what happened. They locked the people up that survived and killed any reporter that was able to get near or in the containment area.
Since I watched this documentary, Every-time I hear people speak about the booms and firecrackers, It makes me think that wow, they have mastered how to contain an area so well (like in the documentary) that we would likely not even know any facts until way down the road.



posted on Jun, 14 2012 @ 06:29 AM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko
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Americans and their romantic dreams of the gunfight they believe they are going to have.

It will be more like...you cowering in the corner while the well trained military personal are looking for you and the weapons. Don't forget...if the U.N. has made it that far..they would obviously have the help of the American military...which would totally screw your plans for killing multiple soldiers. ,,,you and the other dreamers fail to realize these are not men and women playing war..they would be well trained and well armed...you are most likely to be eliminated in the first few seconds before you could even get a shot off.


As for you Americans owning weapons scenario....how many of you gun owners own multiple weapons?...that would take the gun owner count down dramatically. Of the supposed millions of gun owners...would you all be in one place?..most likely not...spread out throughout the country..meaning small groups...which would be easier to take on. You do realize that not every American would own a gun or would die...for such a pathetic reason...just o own a weapon....your type of people are few...so disarming the population would not be hard...just get rid of you people and it would easy as pie...


You are wrong on so many levels. First off they might have the support of the upper echelon of the military... But do you really think our troops would be willing to kill thier family's and friends? Rethink that. Second, most gun owners will not just surrender thier arms. That's completely absurd to even think that. If we did an actual count of how many legal firearms vs how many illegal firearms are on the streets the numbers would go way up. Also America is founded on bloodshed. Sure many will submit. But I assure you that many many will not. This is no dream, it's real. And if # kicks off you better believe that we as American constitution lovers will not just sit back and watch as all of our rights are taken away. You obviously don't know Americans. We are a strong country. The reason why our country and military is the best in the world is because of the people. We are not sissys like you seem to think.

And btw in the face of terror, Americans do not cower, that is when we are at our strongest.
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