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How Long Are "We The People" Going To Wait Before We Demand "TREASON" ... Starting at the VERY T

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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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Wait a minute. You don't obey the UN because you're a sovereign country....but no one else is? And how many countries have you invaded who didn't have anything to do with you? There was no attack made by any other country against the US and yet how many years of war until now and you're gearing up for more?

The law against treason is not new. There's no "right now" about it. It's always been that way, from the very beginning, and it's been that way in just about every country in the world. Things were just very different once upon a time. We used to be able to have a dialogue with government - at least to a greater extent than we're able to now. It's just too big and there are too many actors. It has to change now. Right now.




posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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i would like to see where ...they answer to the un..where is that?



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by timetothink
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Americans have been being brainwashed and de-americanized since about 1913....propaganda, indoctrination through the education system (especially on the college level), they have been lead to believe the founders were misguided, Europe is better, the constitution is over and the president is all powerful and above the law.

What we need is a massive deprogramming operation.




I believe it started during the American Civil War.

How about under cover police officers who befriend people for years only to gather intel for a drug bust, usually for possession and distribution of an UN-adulterated plant. That is treason in my eyes.

If things don't change in the next election cycle or two, I do believe we will have another civil war. It will be those of us who aren't brainwashed vs those who are and believe the government/big corporations have us, the citizen, best interest in mind.

Holder needs to go. Obama is a tool and amazingly he still has a lot for support. Not many Americans understand what the Constitution stood for so the are oblivious to it being trampled on.



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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2... they know exactly what they are doing and are using the fact that American people do not care and are not questioning what our Government is doing....so long as they can go to the store and buy beer and cigarettes, have some food and f*ck their significant other as often as possible.


Really? I see those people as not having a voice, those are the people who have been robbed of any rights and demonized, who are smacked into submission if they jaywalk, the people who speak the truth are slandered and discredited when they get in the way, and they have become used to it. But hey, let's continue to blame those who are least likely to ever be in a position to make a difference. Way to go, typical cop out *claps hands. Let's continue to ignore those who actually are paid to uphold the system within the guidelines of the constitution. Let's continue to give a free pass to those people.

Funny, people piss on the weakest of the world without thinking twice, but now that this criminal system is spilling over on a larger segment of society that consider themselves more righteous and deserving of a life than others, are getting pissed on and it's a problem. *plays the little violin.

I see 99% these public service people entrusted with upholding the constitution turning a blind eye for that paycheck. I see people donating money (paying) so that their criminal gets in a position of power in the hopes of favors and or benefits that might even be unlawful, an advantage in the system. I see manipulation and control as the tools these people are fine with as long as it favors them (world-wide even). Truth is only recognized if there is a benefit to be had, mostly it is ignored. "Just doing my job" is the claim but they aren't doing their job, they are doing whatever they are told to do, the law of this country be damned for that paycheck and benefits.

The government is people darling, it's your police, your sheriffs, your teachers, your judges, lawyers, your city inspectors, your auditors, your mayors, councilmen, senators etc. etc.. from the bottom up it's people who get a paycheck to keep this system working as it is now. From the bottom to the top it takes people making decisions to do the right thing or not...can you look at this system and see what people are choosing?

I think this covers the rest of your complaints. It's a people problem, just try to get a public service person to take responsibility for turning a blind eye or taking advantage to what they know in their department is wrong... no way... they see that paycheck more important than this country, you, me, the future generations. They will say they are providing a needed service ...they are serving themselves first darling.

We have those who serve others and those who serve themselves. If what I say wasn't true this country (and world) wouldn't be in this condition.
There is the key division, all the other petty crap are just distractions.




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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by muse7
I stopped taking your O.P seriously when you mentioned "Barry". I thought this thread had potential, but turns out it's just another typical ATS "Obama and the Socialist are coming to get us" type of thread.

We need progressive change, I believe America is screaming for a progressive movement, but the Right have this country by the neck, everyone knows the GOP's true agenda..and that's to get every cent out of your pocket and give it to the top 1%.

I will admit, I am in a way disappointed by Obama and I think we need a progressive leader that is not afraid to stand up to the tea partiers and neo-cons in congress and in the media that use guns and flag waiving to brainwash Americans.

I wish Elizabeth Warren was running for POTUS

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Disappointed in Obama? that's a gross understatement isn't it? As for Barry, I just call him by one of his alias's. He has a few. You can stop taking me seriously because of it and that's fine but it doesn't change the fact that this man was chosen, hand picked to be the face of this country. He had little to no political experience but had the funding to run for President. What makes me more mad than the birthers and all that drama is the fact that the American people allowed the media to sweep everything under the rug...the American people failed this country by not doing their homework and investigating the man. Yes, he's a puppet but we don't know enough about him from his background to really piece together the hidden agenda. It's obvious that he's a socialist and believes in that way of thinking and life. Look at who he has run with over the years, associated with, supported. You are judged by the company you keep. true? Anyway... I think there's a lot of frustrated people. I will even go as far as to look past all the rumors of the man being bi-sexual and killing a couple people in Chicago to maintain his secret life and I'll look past the fact that he could have easily produced a valid birth certificate in 2008 to shut people up and let's get right down to his campaign and what he said to win. Has he lived up to any of it? You can only blame sh*t on the previous President for so long. In-fact I think they should keep that to a year minimum. Afterwards, it's your mess. That's all he has done is blame Bush...even 4 years later. The facts speak for themselves and Obama is not the man he has portrayed himself to be. Take that as you want, but that's the truth. He's a wolf in sheeps clothing and uses racism to the full extent to push his agenda. If you don't agree with him and his policy, you must be racist. It's a genius plan and they know exactly what they're doing. It's been a calculated process and as one person mentioned, pulling off the rug may reveal some things we never even dreamt were real. But not taking me seriously because of the AKA Barry...that's absurd. In Indonesia that's his given name, never changed...used to allow him to attend school. That's not a birther issue, that's just a fact. So I like Barry better when referring to him because it doesn't remind me of Usama ... Obama.... both muslim names. They sound too much alike and the first name is associated with the term "Terrorist" against our country... I wonder how long it will be before the 2nd name will be thought of the same as the 1st???????



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by ScatterBrain
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2... they know exactly what they are doing and are using the fact that American people do not care and are not questioning what our Government is doing....so long as they can go to the store and buy beer and cigarettes, have some food and f*ck their significant other as often as possible.


Really? I see those people as not having a voice, those are the people who have been robbed of any rights and demonized, who are smacked into submission if they jaywalk, the people who speak the truth are slandered and discredited when they get in the way, and they have become used to it. But hey, let's continue to blame those who are least likely to ever be in a position to make a difference. Way to go, typical cop out *claps hands. Let's continue to ignore those who actually are paid to uphold the system within the guidelines of the constitution. Let's continue to give a free pass to those people.

Funny, people piss on the weakest of the world without thinking twice, but now that this criminal system is spilling over on a larger segment of society that consider themselves more righteous and deserving of a life than others, are getting pissed on and it's a problem. *plays the little violin.

I see 99% these public service people entrusted with upholding the constitution turning a blind eye for that paycheck. I see people donating money (paying) so that their criminal gets in a position of power in the hopes of favors and or benefits that might even be unlawful, an advantage in the system. I see manipulation and control as the tools these people are fine with as long as it favors them (world-wide even). Truth is only recognized if there is a benefit to be had, mostly it is ignored. "Just doing my job" is the claim but they aren't doing their job, they are doing whatever they are told to do, the law of this country be damned for that paycheck and benefits.

The government is people darling, it's your police, your sheriffs, your teachers, your judges, lawyers, your city inspectors, your auditors, your mayors, councilmen, senators etc. etc.. from the bottom up it's people who get a paycheck to keep this system working as it is now. From the bottom to the top it takes people making decisions to do the right thing or not...can you look at this system and see what people are choosing?

I think this covers the rest of your complaints. It's a people problem, just try to get a public service person to take responsibility for turning a blind eye or taking advantage to what they know in their department is wrong... no way... they see that paycheck more important than this country, you, me, the future generations. They will say they are providing a needed service ...they are serving themselves first darling.

We have those who serve others and those who serve themselves. If what I say wasn't true this country (and world) wouldn't be in this condition.
There is the key division, all the other petty crap are just distractions.


I won't disagree with your statement entirely but I will say that I think the 99% haven't gotten "used" to being smacked around...I believe they don't know they are being smacked around. They are too caught up in making their paycheck, attending to their families, trying to provide better for their children that as long as their little worlds aren't affected, they don't care because they know their little vote won't matter, it's never mattered. I don't think the people care enough to challenge or question just as long as they are able to continue doing what they are doing now. The only time they will care and look up to see what the problem is would be if the paychecks started grossly lowering and the food prices kept increasing or the paychecks just stopped coming. By that point it's too late.

I do agree that the problem exists from top to bottom inside to out. It's all corrupt. I said that to someone at one point and it's sad that you can't trust anyone in a political position to do the right thing...to uphold the constitution and care for other people.




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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by q13ert
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i would like to see where ...they answer to the un..where is that?



In reference to our actions in Syria...Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta was testifying.... said the Obama administration answers to international rules or laws (UN or NATO)... listen to this segment completely. They would seek international approval and then tell congress... that's not how our system works. But that's what they believe.

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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by BIHOTZ


5. Eric Holder specifically told Congress during a hearing that he and President Obama do not answer to Congress, they answer to the UN. After multiple times asking Mr. Holder if he would like to change his answer and many many times, Holder said NO... the subject is changed. Holder is backed by



wow.....just wow.

He answers to a group of foreigners?!?!

Unless the Gov doesn't start to change its mentality of " can't touch this " they will find themselves playing with an outdated play book. I can see the difference between my generation and the ones our leaders grew up studying.

We are not the same. My generation will draw blood, but more importantly they will raise a whole generation to follow them that will revolt in mass. Our leaders are not immortal. They can't stop millions of potential snipers, explosives experts, fanatic crazies with machineguns and rockets.

When they lose their children and their loved ones they will say "now its personal" and proceed to make things worse. Then when they lose hundreds of their "untouchable" friends they will say, "till the death"

When they are dying and the world is shattered around them they will ask "what have you done, fools?"

We will ask, "fools? you decided that any price was worth controlling the world, even if it meant risking its destruction"......

SO keep on trucking dumbasses. You are the architects of your own demise. You would have to kill us all for if you leave even one, he will become your enemy.

What country in the world can survive an insurgency of Americans? Think about it, we will not go colonial against a standard army. We will use our prostitutes, grocers, mail men, garbage men, police, armed forces. Everyone becomes an insurgent. TPTB would not have anyone to trust if they start killing us.

They would try if we take up arms against them. We would take up arms against them if they cross the line after DECADES ignoring us. After decades ignoring us they WILL cross the line, many times over.

It is inevitable. You cannot control the world without first destroying it. You would then be the master of ruin and death. Nothing could come from you then. No fruit no flower.

TPTB will find out for themselves. I am pretty shocked they don't know this. They supposedly are men of understanding and reason. Responsible men who study ancient wisdom. Yet they behave like invading Mongols wanting pillage and empire at the same time.

This has all happened before. I say let them. We have been around long enough to outlast them. We will build our new world over their shallow graves. Sounds nice huh? well we will pay a high price too for letting them become our greatest enemies. We will lose just as much as them, the only difference is that we will still be around.

You know who "we" are if you are us.
If not, don't think this post was for you, carry on. Ooh Ooh, Aah Aah.


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I'm sorry, secretary of Defense Leon Pannetta is the one who said the President and his group answer to the UN and NATO and not Congress..... I posted a link on page 4. But Holder is every bit as corrupt and brainwashed.

Now to your post...I agree...all it will take is that straw to break the back and turn the tides.



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by mrgregbusybee
Everyday I get a little more frustrated with the citizens of our United States of America. I can't believe that there are so many ignorant and naive people or even worse, so many that just don't CARE. I'm going to keep this short and sweet. I'm going to list a few events that should be, without any doubt, reasons for charging Government Officials with TREASON. This Government is either 1...very very dumb and accidentally following along the communist steps of takeover without actually knowing (which I do NOT believe) or 2... they know exactly what they are doing and are using the fact that American people do not care and are not questioning what our Government is doing....so long as they can go to the store and buy beer and cigarettes, have some food and f*ck their significant other as often as possible. I believe the latter to be the case and the Government keys into this and has slowly been instigating this socialist soon to be communist way of life for many years. Anyway, that's another long drawn out fight... but here is a list that the PEOPLE should be demanding heads roll. Where's MSM helping now? Nowhere is where.....

1. Attorney General Eric Holder (personally appointed by Barry) and Fast & Furious. Here's the deal.... they have emails blatantly saying they were pushing this agenda to make 2nd Amendment changes regarding your rights to bear arms. Eric Holder has been asked multiple times to provide information regarding the mission, however; he is hiding behind "Top Secret" protocol which that in itself is hilarious. The fact remains and there's only two different ways to view what took place.... 1) Eric Holder was not doing his job and was not properly keeping in communication and maintaining a good grasp on events that he should have been monitoring which makes him inadequate to hold his current position or 2) He is the AG, he absolutely knew what was going on with those automatic weapons and his agenda was in-fact to change our rights to bear arms, either way, Eric Holder has to go.....NOW!!!! This man should be arrested and charged.....do not pass GO do not collect 1000 dollars.

2. Top Secret Information Leak - Iran finds out from an anonymous source that their computer systems have been being riddled with problems keeping them from completing their nuclear programs before now.... this information leak now allows Iran to figure out the problem, fix it and continue marching towards nuclear capability. Eric Holder should be appointing a committee to oversee this and find the hole, plug the hole and jobs should fall, people's heads should roll, treason charges and death penalty. But it's not being viewed as a big deal...why?

3. Top Secret Information Leak - Seal Team 6 information released. This should be easy to track down and find out who sold this secret information. Are people actively trying to track this down??? Nope... Why?? Here's another thought for you... a couple weeks after Bin Laden's infamous raid by Seal Team 6... a CH-47 carrying approximately 25 Navy Seal Team members was shot down and all soldiers on board were killed. Coincidence? A "Shut your mouth" show of force....? I don't know... but I do know that this should be investigated at the highest levels and actions taken against whomever released critical mission information.

4. NDAA - Treason. Not much to say here... Unconstitutional - This is worse than Nixon's scandal...

5. Eric Holder specifically told Congress during a hearing that he and President Obama do not answer to Congress, they answer to the UN. After multiple times asking Mr. Holder if he would like to change his answer and many many times, Holder said NO... the subject is changed. Holder is backed by Obama.

6. UAV activity approved for use over the USA


Please feel free to add other issues and problems occurred during the past 20 years. You can cuss and discuss what I've placed up here. I'm merely wondering why MSM won't cover these topics. Why aren't the citizens seeing our rights being taken away from us right under our noses. Our Government is out of control and nobody gives a sh*t. I don't understand. Our Government was formed by the people for the people and it's time for the people to take it back. Have fun with this thread..... and hopefully share it with some of the people that are blind to what's happening.


My mistake here folks...it wasn't Holder who told the Senate hearing and Congress that they answer to the UN/NATO, it was Secretary of Defense Leon Pannetta. I was on a hate Holder kick but the fact is it was Pannetta. Kind of makes it a little worse in my opinion because it shows the umbrella is opened a little further....so-to-speak.
Pannetta Senate hearings



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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Great post and perfect Rant! Our government has been selling us out for a long time. As many have said, the list is far too long, and the web far too tangled for simple fixes. The reality is that the American people are no longer represented in our represenative government. They haven't been for a good long while. The sad reality is, that TPTB, NWO, whomever, all have a falicy of control. They can fully predict reactions. So the test and the change will come in the form it always comes; a major catacylismic event. Whether or not we survive as a species depends on the event. Maybe one day we will get it right. Kind of a sheepling answer, but there hasn't been enough pain yet to the Average American to trigger the revolt you are looking for. It is however on the horizon.



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by BIHOTZ
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That's reality. I saw the way bills, my people saw the way bills and I quite my job as the Chief of R&D for a military contractor (weapons systems) and stopped working directly for certain departments of the military and paramilitary organizations when I found out about this.


Thank you for that. I am glad your sense of right wrong and retarded has not left you. If no one did, I just wanted to thank you. Sincerely. I don't have to tell you how refreshing that was.

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WhoKnows100-
you hit it dead on. While faith may or may not have a place in my generations mind, I know we have not completely lost our ability to see logic. I wish I could warn more about becoming useful idiots.
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I think much of the problem is that we as a people have been backed into a corner and in this happening, have lost our humanity. We have to spend so much time just trying to stay alive that it preempts searching for the truth, or even seeing it when it is right in front of your face. No wants to believe they have invested so much time and energy in a lie, because then they look at themselves as idiots at worst and naive at best, rather than people waking up to the truth. It's a hard transition going from the lie to the truth.

When I found out about the weapon shipments, I was told by one of my people in my research department originally about the way bills during security clearance updates with the SADF/Armscor and CI. I created a distraction so I could go have a look myself and what I was told was absolutely correct. I pressed further with someone I trusted in MI who was there at the meetings and the inking of the deal, I also found hard evidence at the time of the ambassador involved. When I quit, five other people quit with me.

I look back on the event and it would have been much easier to just stay employed by them, but most people have a line in their conscience they don't want to cross. I have no problem killing real terrorists, God knows, but I do have a problem being associated directly with people selling weapons to psychopaths to further a fake agenda by any government. Especially an agenda that will get their own people killed for nothing other than profit. For that reason I have refused to develop weapon systems for the last 20 plus years, I have even stopped contracts in the middle with governments when they tried to trick me using "other" applications as the basis for the research.

So, I have lost a lot of money not doing what they wanted, but I can look at myself in the mirror and know I did the right thing. There are too many people with blinders on either because they are too busy trying to stay alive or just don't want to admit that what they are doing is wrong and in support of the big lie. The culture of death and the cycle of consumerism and flagrant financial corruption will eventually destroy us all, maybe not in one year or even five years, but it will destroy us and that seems to be the plan.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by GD21D
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

I stopped reading as soon as the OP mentioned america is a socialist nation turning towards communism. That was the first or second paragraph and said to myself this person has a twisted agenda. Have fun in make-believe lala land. 

Did you hear anything about the bilderbergers and where they meet this year? Are they communist as well, despite the fact they are all corporate executives or mega shareholders? You people need to learn the basic definition of terms before we are to take you seriously enough to read the rest of your post. 

Yes I am frustrated as hell from all the disinfo.  THAT is why I even bother posting in such threads.  To show my frustration.  America does not need any revolution that will make it go even more right than what it is already.  No thank you, no way jose!
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So how do you propose a fix? This is not a flame, I'm genuinely interested in your input. Revolution is the only way I see, and that's a crap shoot at best. It would really depend on who ended up leading such a movement.


Both of these posts are indicative of what is going on. The first denies that communism is even here, and the second wants a "revolution".

Please, both of you, start with the beginning and trace how we have come to this point in time.

There was a book in the Fifties I believe called The Naked Communist which listed goals and steps taken by those who created this ideology to transform a non-communist country into a communist country. These forty-five goals were even placed into the 1963 US Congressional Record. Let's look at some of them, and keep in mind Lenin's statement that "The BEST REVOLUTIONARY IS A YOUTH DEVOID OF MORALS"

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
 
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
 
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
 
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
 
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
 
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.


I appreciate the reference to the book and will definitely read it. But to say I don't know why I want a revolution is absurd. I was once blinded by the light of the machine...I served this country believing I was upholding the Constitution...I spent 8 years in Afghanistan...Protecting our freedoms but what everyone is being told is a lie. It's such a big lie I don't even know how far back it does go to begin uncovering it.

God is the answer that we need? The same God that you and many believe was capable of putting all the teachings he/she wanted mankind to know into a 1000 page book that we call the Bible that we ironically call the King James version why...because good ole King James changed it to read more easily...? c'mon. If you want to go into faith and God, then the God that created all heavens and earth definitely has more to say than 1000 pages. I have faith in a higher power for sure...but to call there 1 God... I think that's the ultimate conspiracy in the history of man kind.

If I witnessed a catacalysm thousands of years ago that we were told would happen because history does in-fact repeat itself and the forefathers told us it was going to happen but yet we as a small group survived...it would be hard for us to tell people to live a good life, be nice, live happy because we know what's coming for our childrens future. Unless..... we all sit down and develop a guide to living that can't be argued because it's open for interpretation and I tell you to go here and I will go there and we spread out and begin repopulating the world. We all have the basic core principals or commandments down that we will all urge our people to abide by and these commandments will ultimately let us live a peaceful life and yes the catacalysm will happen again, but until it does...at least there isn't chaos. We will call this faith and religion. And we will speak different tongues so nobody can tell the truth.

What's changed from then to now...technology and society. It's still in your system to kill to f*ck women.. society says I can't road rage and kill because I'll go to jail. Doesn't change the instinct though.

What if religion was simply established in order to stop the chaos???



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 01:22 PM
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Wait a minute. You don't obey the UN because you're a sovereign country....but no one else is? And how many countries have you invaded who didn't have anything to do with you?


I didn't invade any countries. I am in arkansas and i have always been. I think you should be addressing who sits in the oval office, because i had nothing to do with any of that and it was not by done with my consent.



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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The Corporatists/Globalists stole our government away from We The People while we were being lulled into complacency.

Nope, the control was taken from us because We The People are lazy, ignorant, and complacent. People either don't vote or vote stupidly. They don't go on a rampage when the Constitution is violated. Large corportations have very little to do with this mess. They merely feast from it.

The fault rests squarely on We The People, best known now as We The Sheeple.



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 02:36 PM
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And how many countries have you invaded who didn't have anything to do with you?

None. We always invade for very specific reasons that have to do with us, even if those reasons are purely selfish.



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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If you know a way that we can change our government legally and without being killed, kidnapped, or imprisoned, we're all ears. Fact is, both legal and illegal attempts to chang our government, leads to beatings, imprisonment and death. No where to turn .
So if you know of another way to affect change, without these consequences, let's here them. Otherwise, I have no choice but to try to survive in this failure of a country.
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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 03:11 PM
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VoxDemona states;

People are weak. they cannot see whats in front of their face.

Those that do send it off, out of their awareness; too much to face.....

unfortunate for the Unity.

The ALL has instead become the NONE, (instead of the ONE)

knox om pax



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 03:31 PM
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This posts reveals that you don't even know who the truest enemies are (I was with you 100% in the OP, but then realized although we feel the same, we blame different things). Guess we've all been brainwashed, just in different ways. Take me, for ex. I am extremely anti-corporatist/modern big business (those who put unbridled greed/profits about everything else ethics-wise, and those who believe in infinite growth (practicing grow to implode, basically, as it's unsustainable) model on fixed size planet). We can't even agree on the enemy. A true shadow enemy, I guess. :-( For ex., I think for-profit healthcare is wrong/as plain a conflit of interest as there could ever be. Remember, non-profit does NOT mean that people can't be salaried in their jobs/careers.

I do agree with you, but I think you are blaming the puppets more than the puppet masters. Puppets allow things to continue/get worse... and guilty is guilty, so...
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posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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It will take as looooooooong as it takes for Americans to realize they are not individual of one another.. and that they are by nature, a collective of the same.
The elites are the ONLY ones working together on this planet.. hence teamwork dominates any individual play anytime.. when you can divide and conqour the masses, make them belive they arent the same and they are so different.. then you are above the game, you create the game.

So how long? My guess is until the next cataclysmic event which whipes out 90% + of humanity.. sadly


~ Love is an art



posted on Jun, 13 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Lots of government regulation(which is a big problem I will agree here) shows state capitalism which mussolini warned about with his fascist regime. No one listened cause he lost the war, then disinfo agents take his words out of context to show something that is not present in america. STATE CAPITALISM which is the highest evolved form of capitalism. The government itself is in the business of creating profit for itself and corporate buddies.


Sorry but Mussolini was right wing and all for state capitalism:

We are, in other words, a state which controls all forces acting in nature. We control political forces, we control moral forces we control economic forces, therefore we are a full-blown Corporative state. We stand for a new principle in the world, we stand for sheer, categorical, definitive antithesis to the world of democracy, plutocracy, free-masonry, to the world which still abides by the fundamental principles laid down in 1789. (Speech before the new Na­tional Directory of the Party, April 7, 1926, in Discorsi del 1926, Milano, Alpes, 1927, p. 120).


Since you brought up the idea of using correct definitions.

As for the OP, I have heard the same sentiment for decades. I personally don't think "We the People" will ever demand "TREASON". They make life comfortable enough for enough people so that the popular support just isn't there.







 
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