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Atheism to Defeat Religion By 2038

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posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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I fear I got to this thread abit late but oh well.

To the OP why do you believe that a atheist world would be any different then what we have now?
Humans created religion, if it never existed there would be something else that would of cause so many problems for the world.
-Myself I am an agnostic-


Sorta OT: Its a damn shame, and almost unbelievable, that atheist's seem even more arrogant and ignorant then there religious counterparts.

ETA: Thinking about it, us agnostics are probably the worst of all. Because we have took a stance were we can sit back and think to oneself 'no one can say were wrong about anything'

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posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Either that or they are both analog, not digital therefore are made up of particles smaller than Planck's length and as a result they have no locality to themselves. Crazy stuff to ponder.


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It is divine, therefore, it is a reality that has been created in an image of the original. We are not the image, only it's reflection by light. Consciousness is what is real. Heaven is the pattern for the image we are in.

You know, it's amazing what we miss when the plug of context is not seen on the wall right in front of us.

Hebrews 11

23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Reverse what is said. We are all here in the image waiting for salvation when Christ returns. We are a person that dies, but the soul cannot and must be reborn as a sacrifice. Christ died once to remove sin. We will finally die for the last time when he returns, only to find salvation from the image. v. 27-28

Christ enters once. We exit once when salvation comes. v. 25-26

The copy is here. Christ entered the real sanctuary for us as advocate before the Father of all the universe. The trial ends with our acquittal. v. 24

It was necessary for us to be in the image before coming to the true reality. Why? To be purified and made ready for the true sacrifices in heaven. We do not yet know the next level of reality. v. 23

We exist in the copy as an image. Jesus is the High Priest. We can only come before the Father, after the second coming, with Christ. The wolves try to come in over the fence, but Christ carries us through the gate as a Good shepherd. JOHN 10

AMAZING!

I doubt the Atheists will resist this when Christ appears. Many will be cleansed and purified during the tribulation period because of conversations such as this. We are leaving behind the path for the future here. Seeds grow on good soil.






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posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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My atheist friend has told me that atheism isn't a religion as well. Then he tells me what he believes and invites me to an atheist meet up they have regularly. Then tries to 'convert' me



posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Bixxi3

-Myself I am an agnostic-


Any true Atheist will also consider themselves Agnostic.

The thing is - - - everyone is Agnostic. People can Believe or Lack Belief - - - - but No One can prove or dis-prove God.

All anyone can say is: I Lack Belief or I Believe - - - - but I do not know.

Here is the real meaning of agnostic:


AGNOSTICISM: THE BASIS FOR ATHEISM, NOT AN ALTERNATIVE TO IT

By David Eller

WHAT IS AGNOSTICISM? Agnosticism is a recent concept, introduced by Thomas Huxley, the famous friend and advocate of Darwin, to describe his own concerns about knowledge and belief. It is derived from the Greek roots a- for 'no' or 'without' and gnosis for 'knowledge.' Dictionary definitions, which are often worse than useless, tend to depict it as the position that certain things, like god(s), are unknown or ultimately unknowable; in common usage it is a third religious position between Atheism or Theism. The Oxford World Encyclopedia goes so far as to declare that it is a \reasoned basis for the rejection of both Christianity and Atheism\.

However, neither dictionaries nor common usage reflect Huxley's intent in coining the term. His original formulation of the concept goes as follows:

Agnosticism is not a creed but a method, the essence of which lies in the vigorous application of a single principle. Positively the principle may be expressed as, in matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it can carry you without other considerations. And negatively, in matters of the intellect, do not pretend the conclusions are certain that are not demonstrated or demonstrable. It is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can produce evidence which logically justifies that certainty.

In this characterization, which we can take as authoritative, there is no mention of belief in general or of religion in particular. Rather, it addresses what we should and can claim to know. It is akin to skepticism in the less extreme sense: not that it is impossible to have knowledge or that we have none but that we should not claim to have knowledge that we do not have. atheists.org...



posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by racasan
I am a European and I have lived in the UK and Scandinavian countries and where I grew up nobody was religious not family or friends or neighbours so when you write


Originally posted by EnochWasRight

It takes more faith to be an Atheist when all of quantum mechanics is explained in the Bible.


For me just shows you have Christian blinkers on – even if your point about quantum mechanics is correct it still leaves hundreds and maybe thousands of other myths in the same position as yours – so why pick yours over any other myth?


Also not having a faith is not the same as having a faith – I don’t have a belief/faith in christianity in the same way you don’t have faith in Zeus or Thor – pretending that people who aren’t theists are somehow a different kind of theist is just daft


There is one very important difference. Confirmation comes in the form of evidence that shoots out at you from 360 degrees, front and back, side to side and past to future. God draws the future into the past so we see it coming. You are in Europe. Let me tell you what to expect.

The mark of mankind is Carbon (6 Protons, 6 Neutrons and 6 Electrons). This is the fruit of Knowledge (Technology). It marks our beast as a human and the final beast of Mystery Babylon to be defeated. Why does it matter to you first?

The mark is coming to you first, then to the world. Carbon trading is human trading. It's code. The Carbon network and new financial system will be marked by 666 (The Element of Man). It is already started. See it for what it is.

Where did we hear this 2000 years ago as confirmation? Only the correct God and His Word can accomplish this 2000 years later. In Genesis 3, we find out the motive of mankind and the plan of God. 6000 years later, we are here. Did Buddha do this? Where do we get our fossil fuel? Out of the Earth.

Revelation 13

The Beast out of the Earth

11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e - or of mankind] That number is 666.

Prepare yourself for the Carbon mark that forces you to comply. If you don't, you will not be able to purchase anything.


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posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by EnochWasRight

The Beast out of the Earth

11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e - or of mankind] That number is 666.

Prepare yourself for the Carbon mark that forces you to comply. If you don't, you will not be able to purchase anything.


Well - - - this is the first time I have found The Beast 666 interesting.

Can you interpret that in plain English?

Is your name in reference to: Enoch Powell
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posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 12:16 PM
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Thanks for the info

I wonder what caused so many atheist i have met to state that there is no god and the universe is the way it because that just how is (basically what i hear)

what is the the proper name for those people?



posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Bixxi3
reply to post by Annee
 


Thanks for the info

I wonder what caused so many atheist i have met to state that there is no god and the universe is the way it because that just how is (basically what i hear)

what is the the proper name for those people?


What an Atheist believes or thinks is their: Atheist Philosophy. How each individual came to their philosophy - - only they can answer.

I guess one could say the universe is because of spontaneous reaction.

I'm not going to go into: Who/What created "whatever" that caused a reaction. There is no known answer to: Who/What.



posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

The Beast out of the Earth

11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e - or of mankind] That number is 666.

Prepare yourself for the Carbon mark that forces you to comply. If you don't, you will not be able to purchase anything.


Well - - - this is the first time I have found The Beast 666 interesting.

Can you interpret that in plain English?

Is your name in reference to: Enoch Powell
edit on 8-6-2012 by Annee because: (no reason given)


No on Enoch Powell. Book of Enoch. Seventh from Adam.

If you follow the link in my signature, there are a wealth of articles where I explain all in common language. I try to avoid being too wordy, yet make the point and let you fill in the rest by context to your own life.

What will you find? Truth is subtle. Not subtle like deception. Subtle as in perfected, not weighed down by error. On the other hand, error is dense and gross. Lead is a gross material. God is a perfected material. They are both heavy, yet one is what we desire to rise from the earth. The other is poison.

When you read truth, it rises above all else. Knock and Seek. God only asks you to search him by His Word. From there, the hidden God is known, yet never seen. When you seek him, you are known by him as well. Faith is not something you do. It's a work that you allow God to do in you. All other religions makes it about man earning his way to heaven. With God, it's not about what we do. It's about what has been done for us by him. Why?

Ephesians 2

2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions —it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Why does he say this? "So that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace"

Jesus said, "you must be born again." The body is the temple. The veil over the holy of holies is what keeps us in faith and not fact. We are here to cleanse the temple and make sacrifice. In the end, only Christ can do this for us. Baptism is the symbol for our immersion into the water of reality. Water cleanses the temple. We rise to new life. You must be born again. Read the article on water and spirit baptism. Some of the other articles show that we have five baptisms: Earth (Egypt / Matter), Air (Breath), Water (Baptism) and Fire (Trials). The last baptism, if we overcome the rest, is Spirit.

How do you overcome? Remember 666 as Carbon? 777 is God's heptadic number. It is Nitrogen. 888 is Jesus in Greek Gematria. Oxygen is 888. The breath is what you use for the Word. Christ is the Word. Overcome with His Word.



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posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by EnochWasRight

No on Enoch Powell. Book of Enoch. Seventh from Adam.


Good to know.


If you follow the link in my signature, there are a wealth of articles where I explain all in common language. I try to avoid being too wordy, yet make the point and let you fill in the rest by context to your own life.


Good! Good! Pithy is my name.


What will you find? Truth is subtle. Not subtle like deception. Subtle as in perfected, not weighed down by error. On the other hand, error is dense and gross. Lead is a gross material. God is a perfected material. They are both heavy, yet one is what we desire to rise from the earth. The other is poison.

When you read truth, it rises above all else. Knock and Seek. God only asks you to search him by His Word. From there, the hidden God is known, yet never seen. When you seek him, you are known by him as well. Faith is not something you do. It's a work that you allow God to do in you. All other religions makes it about man earning his way to heaven. With God, it's not about what we do. It's about what has been done for us by him. Why?

Ephesians 2

2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions —it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Why does he say this? "So that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace"

Jesus said, "you must be born again." The body is the temple. The veil over the holy of holies is what keeps us in faith and not fact. We are here to cleanse the temple and make sacrifice. In the end, only Christ can do this for us. Baptism is the symbol for our immersion into the water of reality. Water cleanses the temple. We rise to new life. You must be born again. Read the article on water and spirit baptism. Some of the other articles show that we have five baptisms: Earth (Egypt / Matter), Air (Breath), Water (Baptism) and Fire (Trials). The last baptism, if we overcome the rest, is Spirit.

How do you overcome? Remember 666 as Carbon? 777 is God's heptadic number. It is Nitrogen. 888 is Jesus in Greek Gematria. Oxygen is 888. The breath is what you use for the Word. Christ is the Word. Overcome with His Word.



Thanks.

Reading.



posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 12:41 PM
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Ravi's explanation there is quite absurd.

Matt Dillahunty explains it well.



Atheism is the lack of belief in a God, it does not assert as a fact that God does not exist.

For example do you believe in Odin? Or Dionysus? How about the "Yourbugahmiteasaurus", the magical space dinosaur god. No I bet you don't. Thus your an atheist, albeit for specific gods.


In order for me to declare there is no gold in China I'd physically have to be everywhere simultaneously in China to be able to verify there was no gold anywhere in China. However, to be able to say that gold exists in China I just need to be in one place at one time and see one piece of gold.


This is a terrible example, because no one is claiming that a material that exists in reality, does not exist in China. However people are claiming that an omnipotent being that has never been demonstrated in any logical form is controlling our fate.

I believe that there is no God, I do not know for sure if I am right. However that is no excuse to believe in a god. And IMO if there is some form of god or cosmic intelligence in the universe, I would find it even more improbable that it would conform to the models of God that have arisen from our religions.




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posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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I think there is real information in ancient texts.

However - - - man's interpretations - - - well - - - are man's interpretations.

What is God?



posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Bixxi3
reply to post by Annee
 


Thanks for the info

I wonder what caused so many atheist i have met to state that there is no god and the universe is the way it because that just how is (basically what i hear)

what is the the proper name for those people?


What an Atheist believes or thinks is their: Atheist Philosophy. How each individual came to their philosophy - - only they can answer.

I guess one could say the universe is because of spontaneous reaction.

I'm not going to go into: Who/What created "whatever" that caused a reaction. There is no known answer to: Who/What.


You say that atheists lack a belief, but at the same time, they have a philosopy that they believe?

DERP.



I have saved this page offline in case you try to change your story.



You're starting to come around.

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posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by satron

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Bixxi3
reply to post by Annee
 


Thanks for the info

I wonder what caused so many atheist i have met to state that there is no god and the universe is the way it because that just how is (basically what i hear)

what is the the proper name for those people?


What an Atheist believes or thinks is their: Atheist Philosophy. How each individual came to their philosophy - - only they can answer.

I guess one could say the universe is because of spontaneous reaction.

I'm not going to go into: Who/What created "whatever" that caused a reaction. There is no known answer to: Who/What.


You say that atheists lack a belief, but at the same time, they have a philosopy that they believe?

DERP.



I have saved this page offline in case you try to change your story.



You're starting to come around.

edit on 8-6-2012 by satron because: (no reason given)


"They" as in individual, not a group thinking.. each have their OWN ideals, you know like how a normal person SHOULD have INSTEAD of a group believe or SOMEONE ELSE's BELIEF.



posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 01:01 PM
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I notice your avatar. Read this thread in total. I was SuperiorEd in this thread: LINK

If you are a Mason, read this thread: Myth Busters



posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by satron

You say that atheists lack a belief, but at the same time, they have a philosopy that they believe?


NO. Atheist is a noun that can be used as a direct adjective. It is a descriptive - - - nothing more.

Definition of atheism - - - lack of belief in a god/deity.

An atheist is an individual. They can think/believe whatever they want - - - - except a god/deity.

Lack of belief in a god/deity is the only connector.

There are what is called "Hard Atheists". They accept only what can be: "touched/seen/heard/proven" etc.

Not all atheists are "hard atheists".



posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by luciddream

Originally posted by satron

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Bixxi3
reply to post by Annee
 


Thanks for the info

I wonder what caused so many atheist i have met to state that there is no god and the universe is the way it because that just how is (basically what i hear)

what is the the proper name for those people?


What an Atheist believes or thinks is their: Atheist Philosophy. How each individual came to their philosophy - - only they can answer.

I guess one could say the universe is because of spontaneous reaction.

I'm not going to go into: Who/What created "whatever" that caused a reaction. There is no known answer to: Who/What.


You say that atheists lack a belief, but at the same time, they have a philosopy that they believe?

DERP.



I have saved this page offline in case you try to change your story.



You're starting to come around.

edit on 8-6-2012 by satron because: (no reason given)


"They" as in individual, not a group thinking.. each have their OWN ideals, you know like how a normal person SHOULD have INSTEAD of a group believe or SOMEONE ELSE's BELIEF.


You think two people sitting next to each other in the pews have the same exact beliefs? They don't. Religious people can have different reasons for their belief just like atheists.
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posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by satron

You say that atheists lack a belief, but at the same time, they have a philosopy that they believe?


NO. Atheist is a noun that can be used as a direct adjective. It is a descriptive - - - nothing more.

Definition of atheism - - - lack of belief in a god/deity.

An atheist is an individual. They can think/believe whatever they want - - - - except a god/deity.

Lack of belief in a god/deity is the only connector.

There are what is called "Hard Atheists". They accept only what can be: "touched/seen/heard/proven" etc.

Not all atheists are "hard atheists".


There are no such things as hard/soft, negative/positive atheists. There are just atheists, or people that belief that God doesn't exist, and they each have their reasons for believing that.

Your definition of atheism - lack of belief in a god/deity - is deceptive, because it doesn't demonstrate what IS believed, which is that God doesn't exist.

It's like saying "A Muslim is someone that doesn't believe in Christianity"

It's completely misleading.
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posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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Carbon? – this is that 666 thingy christians believe has some significance?

Then you go on the mention Genesis and then revelation - riiiight


Well perhaps you missed the part where I said I don’t believe any of that
Do you have any kind of evidence or reasoning that doesn’t require me to be a christian all ready or need some sort of Christian decoder ring to work out what you're talking about ?



posted on Jun, 8 2012 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by satron


There are no such things as hard/soft, negative/positive atheists.


Yes! There are. Lack of belief in god/deity is the only requirement.

You not liking the answer is not my problem.


Your definition of atheism - lack of belief in a god/deity - is deceptive, because it doesn't demonstrate what IS believed, which is that God doesn't exist.


Lack of Belief is the correct definition.

If there is a "belief" it is individual and determined by the individual - - - that belief would lack belief in a god/deity.

God can not be proven or dis-proven. It is incorrect to state God does not exist.


It's like saying "A Muslim is someone that doesn't believe in Christianity"


Muslims believe in a God.




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