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No, of course not. It smells like a beautiful mountain breeze with hints of flowers and once it even smelled like I had walked into JC Penny's perfume section.
Originally posted by SmellyPants
At least I don't have to stoop to name calling to prove my point. As I have posted plenty of legal proof as to why this man should not have been arrested.
Take your legal proof and shove it where the sun don't shine. I follow my gut, not some silly 'proof'.But yeah, you're right, you just tell people to grow up and say they act like 4 year olds, lol. Guess you are totally above board and beyond reproach. A pure and chaste saint. Or just a person, whose sh*t stinks like the rest of us. Or doesn't yours?
Originally posted by ArrowsNV
Not trying to strike you down, but the cop in this case was not in the legal right to tell him where he can and cannot preach (see my last post for the legal precedent). Just because he's a police officer doesn't mean he's right.
Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by wildtimes
Freedom of religion means ALL religions: Wiccan, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, WBC, whatever. Having it rammed down your throat is not "freedom of choice."
Um, yes you do have the freedom of choice. You have the freedom to walk away as fast as your legs can carry you, or the right to stick your fingers in your ears, or the right to just tune him out.
Ramming it down your throat is what the Jesuits did in the Spanish Inquisition, quite literally. This guy isn't ramming it down your throat, thats you being melodramatic.
Well... The people were at the DMV, probably had another long day of waiting to renew their licenses, so, it is a captive audience. Yes, they could have left, but if they did leave, their position on line would've been taken. The sole purpose they were even at the DMV was to use the DMV's services.
2nd point: the man was asked nicely to leave/stop; he blatantly ignored the security guard and continued.
3rd point: the police officer did read the preacher his Miranda Right's, maybe not as soon as he handcuffed him, but as the preacher was getting into the back of car.
4th point: what good would the preacher have done to those listening if he read the bible from which the audience does not know indepth? How does the preacher's 5 minutes of action help lead others to God? Did the preacher lead others to a personal relationship with God through Christ? No, he was laughed at by the bystanders.
5th point: the officer TELLS the man, you can go to a street corner, but not at that location.
6th point: i personally believe the arrest was way too quick. I think the police officer should have explained the law clearer, I know that's a lot to ask for from the people that enforce it.
7th point: Romans 13:1-7.
Also, like I said in my last post. He may have been in the DMV parking lot (on the sidewalk of the parking lot) but he wasn't inside the DMV and was not hindering anyone's day to day business. The security guard probably did not understand that unless this guy was inside the DMV's office or on the steps leading to the door preaching, he could not be removed legally; and even then it would still be in a legal grey zone as the DMV technically is public property and I did not see any 'No Trespassing' signs or a fence around the parking lot, hence it is defined as 'public space'.
Also...
Im pro-christianity but this was just an embarrassment. i think this is just going to stir up the imminent anti-religion/christianity persecution.
Let it stir up the persecution.
“You’re blessed when your commitment to God provokes persecution. The persecution drives you even deeper into God’s kingdom.” Matthew 5:10
As for why, I have no idea why he would go to the DMV. That puzzled me as well.
Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
Yeah, he is on the sidewalk. You are right, and I thank you for correcting me. I ask of the preacher, why that specific location and why that approach? I see how the DMV is an ideal location, lol, but I am sure there is a better way to reachout to the community... I don't see the heart in this approach. For instance, David Wilkerson was arrested for reaching out to gang members but there was good fruit. I want to see the aftermath of this situation
Can you say "home-schooling" or "Catholic school"? The fed gov requires them to be 'educated', not to "attend public school" , which is secular....
There is no law that says you have to enroll your kids in public school.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Komodo
and if I read the constitution outloud while you are standing there.. would you be annoyed and disgusted? .. what if I read a one page research paper about how the media is being controlled by only 3 corp conglomorates.. ?
Yes, I would!!
Standing in line at the DMV does not make me obliged to listen to you. I don't care if you're reading Green Eggs and Ham...if you are doing it loudly and infringing on my right to think, to stand there with nothing but the normal day-to-day noise of modern business-hours on my mind....you are INTRUDING.
If people want to listen to Scripture or a preacher while standing in line, they are perfectly free to bring an IPod, or a Walkman, or a radio with God-programming, or any other number of devices that allow them to read, indulge, contemplate, reflect.....
It has NO PLACE in a setting where people are inclined to stay....(usually against their will anyway, as it goes with the DMV snail's-pace requirements for legal reasons)...
NO!
Get off this public lawn!
edit on 6-4-2012 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical
If they drove get in their car and drive away.
With expired tags or license? Are you serious??
So then, they have to pay the fine for not having renewed in time???
ghaaa.....
And who in the heck is going to ride their bike to the DMV except people who've already let their tags/license expire and are trying to minimize their fine.....
Originally posted by SmellyPants
reply to post by ArrowsNV
Cry much? Maybe the karma of all religions past atrocities is coming home to roost. I have no sympathy for you know it all bible thumpers. Sleep in the bed you've made, and stop crying about it.
Btw, you're going to hell.
now if you can't afford to homeschool
.if you are doing it loudly and infringing on my right to think
ahhh.. i see.. so everyone at OWS in NYC .. should have been arrested?
because they're 'annoying' people.. ? Not necessarlity because of the content they're standing up for ?? So, if someone on my job annoys me, they should be fired.. ?
if you're REALLY stating that .. ATS might not be the best place for you to interact with.
Anyone can do this, it's not about the Christians or a Bible, but the freedom of an individual to freely exercise his 2nd amendment rights. It's about religious liberty. That's the point. Either we defend rights, even for those we don't share ideologies or religions with, or we trample those rights.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Komodo
ahhh.. i see.. so everyone at OWS in NYC .. should have been arrested?
because they're 'annoying' people.. ? Not necessarlity because of the content they're standing up for ?? So, if someone on my job annoys me, they should be fired.. ?
if you're REALLY stating that .. ATS might not be the best place for you to interact with.
What?!!
You have no place to tell me ATS is not 'the best place for me to interact with'.
People on ATS who come to the OT Religion forum know what to expect. I am not standing in their driveway with a bullhorn pushing my beliefs on them...they have the choice to ignore me, to skip over my posts, to refuse to respond. Some jerk shouting at everyone in a line at the DMV is hardly the same thing....
whatever.
People on here get annoying , yeah. I'm sure there are plenty of members who think I'm annoying. But....I'm not bombarding their ears with dogma and rhetoric....they can read, respond, ignore, whatever.
It's a completely different thing... You come onto this forum, you are (supposedly) prepared to hear different points of view. Standing in line at the DMV is not where you go to hear religious talk.
so everyone at OWS in NYC .. should have been arrested?
so everyone at OWS in NYC .. should have been arrested?
Okay, my friend......
What if that guy had been standing there, while all those people were in line to do their required thing (pay their taxes and get their registration and/or license renewed), and started burning Bibles right there?
Is that okay???
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Anyone can do this, it's not about the Christians or a Bible, but the freedom of an individual to freely exercise his 2nd amendment rights. It's about religious liberty. That's the point. Either we defend rights, even for those we don't share ideologies or religions with, or we trample those rights.
Okay, my friend......
What if that guy had been standing there, while all those people were in line to do their required thing (pay their taxes and get their registration and/or license renewed), and started burning Bibles right there?
Is that okay???
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by wildtimes
Okay, my friend......
What if that guy had been standing there, while all those people were in line to do their required thing (pay their taxes and get their registration and/or license renewed), and started burning Bibles right there?
Is that okay???
If they paid for it with their own money, they can do whatever they want with it because it is their personal property. I don't care what you do with your book, but you will not be doing it with mine.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Komodo
so everyone at OWS in NYC .. should have been arrested?
They were being pushy and obnoxious...but they were NOT shooting their mouths off inside a Wall Street lobby....they were in a 'park'....they were not on private property pushing their thoughts on others....there was no one in that park who had to stand there and listen to them because they needed to be in that 'line'....
sheesh