Man arrested for reading the Holy Bible in public

Originally posted by proob4
Wow! Did anyone else think that was a very fast arrest?

Actually it was a very slow arrest.

CHP Officer Darren Meyer, who made the arrest, said the group was warned repeatedly that they needed a permit leading up to the day they were arrested...

Calvary Chapel Pastor Gary Johnston said in an email that the men had almost been arrested several times prior to the incident and knew they needed a permit prior to going to the DMV.

“I had been attempting to temper their style of evangelism,” Johnston said. “They revolted at the idea that they were wrong and eventually left the church …”

So they knew what they were doing, almost arrested before, they'd been warned and warned, and told, told, and even their own church wont stand behind them.

www.pe.com...

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
Yeah this is sickening... Even if I didn't want to hear him preach, he still has the right too... I don't buy the whole "thats offensive" if that's the case OWS is offensive to me, talking about socialist or communist governments would also be offensive.... It's a two way street, mutual respect on the subject of free speech is needed...

when did we become a bunch of whiners? What ever happened to ear plugs?

Exactly, the content of his speech is irrelevant. Had it been a Muslim the same applies. Had it been an Atheist, the same applies. People's rights end where another person' s rights begin. There is no "Freedom FROM religion" clause in the first amendment.

If you guys want one, go ahead and get an amendment passed and added to the Constitution.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

There is no "Freedom FROM religion" clause in the first amendment.

What?!!
Seriously???

It is directly stated as a choice that people have a right to make: to practice whatever "religion" they want to, OR NONE AT ALL.

Freedom of religion means ALL religions: Wiccan, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, WBC, whatever. Having it rammed down your throat is not "freedom of choice."

sigh. NuT....really??

reply to post by alfa1


They even showed up with a video camera..

Now how many religious nuts on the sidewalk have a man with a video camera following them?

What exactly were they wanting to video tape?

Someone coming to them and falling on their knees at the DMV asking for forgiveness?

Nah they knew what they had coming, they just wanted to paint a different picture.

Originally posted by proob4
Wow! Did anyone else think that was a very fast arrest? I mean the cop showed up and was gone with the so called perp in minutes? What was that about?

That was a show of how fast these people who claim they "protect and serve" can violate your constitutional rights without a care in the world.

Just a matter of time until the illegal searches and seizures ramp up, they already happen to people who do not know their rights.

reply to post by wildtimes

Freedom of religion means ALL religions: Wiccan, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, WBC, whatever. Having it rammed down your throat is not "freedom of choice."

Um, yes you do have the freedom of choice. You have the freedom to walk away as fast as your legs can carry you, or the right to stick your fingers in your ears, or the right to just tune him out.

Ramming it down your throat is what the Jesuits did in the Spanish Inquisition, quite literally. This guy isn't ramming it down your throat, thats you being melodramatic.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by wildtimes

 

Freedom of religion means ALL religions: Wiccan, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, WBC, whatever. Having it rammed down your throat is not "freedom of choice."

Um, yes you do have the freedom of choice. You have the freedom to walk away as fast as your legs can carry you, or the right to stick your fingers in your ears, or the right to just tune him out.

Ramming it down your throat is what the Jesuits did in the Spanish Inquisition, quite literally. This guy isn't ramming it down your throat, thats you being melodramatic.

Yeah you also have the freedom to go to church if you want to hear someone preach to you.

WOW....Wow....WOW.....

And then too top it all off an ATS member said this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ( I'm just a little upset!!!!!!!!!!!)


"read the bible out loud in church or home, not in public. "

O really? Well... I'll read it where ever I DAMN WELL PLEASE as long as its NOT ON PRIVATE PRIVATE PRIVATE PROPERTY!!!!!!

Definition of the word public is: Maintained for or used by the people or community BY PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And then this poster goes onto say..... (wow!!!!!)


"i applaud the police for doing this. i would applaud them for arresting anyone reading religious text in public out loud. i dont think it has much to do with taking away free speech as it does preventing conflict which discussing religion or doing what that guy is doing, usually does. "

Yes it's in the context of taking away free speech!!!! Please look up free speech!!!!
And then to have people applauding this poster ( giving stars) just makes me sick!!! Would I have wanted to listen to this clown while I waited for the doors to open? Hell NO!!!! BUT.... My forefathers fought for the rights of all of us to have free speech!!!!!

I'm so disgusted that Americans are learning and wanting to live in a dictatorship!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Jesus himself would call that man a hypocrite. You see, public preaching was something Jesus criticized the Pharisees for. This is something that Christians tend to ignore.

The verse goes like this:

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Mathew 6:5

Just remember though, for every Bible verse there is an equal but opposite Bible verse.

Wrong. Jesus was talking about the men who preach in public for the sole purpose of getting attention and loving the spotlight. He himself preached in public, so by you putting it your way that makes Jesus a hypocrite.

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000



This isn't about religion but the freedom of speech!

reply to post by paradox

Yeah you also have the freedom to go to church if you want to hear someone preach to you.

We have a mandate by God himself to preach the good news, don't want to hear it? Freedom to walk away. We have the freedoms to preach it, you have the freedoms to walk away if you don't want to hear it.

Perhaps children who are christian or jew don't want to have evolution "rammed" down their throats in public schools, yet they are forced to sit there and hear it anyway which is a violation of not just their rights but their parents rights, they too are also a captive audience because the federal government requires them to attend school so in effect the government is forcing them to listen to a teacher preach them evolution even if it against their religious beliefs. Can you say violation of rights? Many schools are even banning teenagers prayer meetings in public schools, when their God wishes them to pray to him. See the hypocrisy?

Originally posted by tracehd1
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

This isn't about religion but the freedom of speech!

Wrong, it is both. If the man was yammering on about scooby-doo no one would have given a damn. instead he was reading from the bible and it offended people, even though it was within his rights to speak aloud.

So wait...

I got handed a copy (as did everyone else that was there unless they refused it) of the New Testament while going to process for MEPS (Military Enlistment Processing Station) and those guys didn't get arrested...

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000


We have a mandate by God himself to preach the good news, don't want to hear it? Freedom to walk away.

Actually, as has already been shown, Jesus called people like that hypocrites.

We have the freedoms to preach it, you have the freedoms to walk away if you don't want to hear it.

Not when you are at the DMV, before business hours, without a permit, asked repeatedly to cease, and ignore it. Just because you believe in a sky fairy does not mean you are above the law.

Perhaps children who are christian or jew don't want to have evolution "rammed" down their throats in public schools,[ yet they are forced to sit there and hear it anyway which is a violation of not just their rights but their parents rights, they too are also a captive audience because the federal government requires them to attend school so in effect the government is forcing them to listen to a teacher preach them evolution even if it against their religious beliefs.

I'm sure the children do not care since evolution actually exists and there is scientific evidence to back it up. If the parents care so much, they can put their kids in a private school where they can learn their alternative, false, view on history.

Can you say violation of rights? Many schools are even banning teenagers prayer meetings in public schools, when their God wishes them to pray to him. See the hypocrisy?

Can you give me a link to this before I comment further?
I need to know the full story.

Originally posted by paradox

I'm sure the children do not care since evolution actually exists and there is scientific evidence to back it up. If the parents care so much, they can put their kids in a private school where they can learn their alternative, false, view on history.

You really live up to your screen name.

I don't see why people like you just don't seem to understand that the evolution and religion can peacefully coexist.

Science is search for WHAT we are made of and how it all works, how it all came together (Physics, Quantum Mechanics & Evolution)

Wheras Religion/Philosophy is the search for WHY we are here and if there is life after we pass from this plane of existence. In actuality it may be a bit more complicated than that, but for the most part that is what it boils down to.

Plus, do you have concrete evidence to back up your theory? No. So don't talk like you're right and everyone else is wrong, especially on this topic.

Darwin himself wasn't even an atheist like most atheists claim, he believed in a higher power. Did he go to church? Maybe not after writing "On the Origin of Species" but in 1879 he wrote that "I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God." He claimed himself to be agnostic.

1. ag·nos·tic noun ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-

Definition of AGNOSTIC

1
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god


Even Darwin admitted the possibility of there being a higher power.

He didn't go around claiming what he had observed was FACT. It is called the THEORY of Evolution for a reason.
And he also didn't go around belittling those who choose to see solace in organized religion.

Unless you're your some sort of freak who has a 500mil+ year lifespan then don't go around being a dick and saying everyone else is wrong, because you really don't know for sure.

reply to post by paradox

I'm sure the children do not care since evolution actually exists and there is scientific evidence to back it up. If the parents care so much, they can put their kids in a private school where they can learn their alternative, false, view on history.

Really? Where's the proof then? The "missing link" been found yet? Archeaologists still aren't even sure of the link between homo sapiens neanderthalensis and homo sapien sapien, nor can they tell you 100% without a doubt what happened to the neanderthal, why they disappeared and what happened to them. No remains of anything has been proven to be a 100% match to us and until they do find that, evolution is not proven.

Where does the sasquatch fit in with your theory of evolution, and make no mistake evolution is still just a "theory".

If the parents care so much, they can put their kids in a private school where they can learn their alternative, false, view on history.

Right, so they have to pay to go to a private school, to keep from having their rights violated. Hm...kinda reminds me of Nazi Germany. The picture you're painting of yourself is that you're all for totalitarianism.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Jesus himself would call that man a hypocrite. You see, public preaching was something Jesus criticized the Pharisees for. This is something that Christians tend to ignore.

The verse goes like this:

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Mathew 6:5

Just remember though, for every Bible verse there is an equal but opposite Bible verse.

That verse talks about praying in fact Jesus sent his disciples out to preach.
You are confused.

Originally posted by ArrowsNV
So wait...

I got handed a copy (as did everyone else that was there unless they refused it) of the New Testament while going to process for MEPS (Military Enlistment Processing Station) and those guys didn't get arrested...

Probably because men preparing for military service, who could be sent into action and die, might welcome the idea that if they get shredded by a bouncing betty and vaporised by some other I.E.D., that they might be able to go on existing on the spirit plane after death.

My brother was a combat medic sent to Iraq, a gideon gave him a Holy Bible and he read it and it gave him comfort when he saw his friends die right in front of him, one of them shot in the head by an insurgeant sniper while standing right next to him, and could have just as easily been him that got killed.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Why can we not get past this 'missing link' and 'it's only a theory' bull?

Here are your 'missing links' for humans. Notice a nice, gradual evolution? Here are many examples, I am sure, you will ignore.

Denisova hominin
H. antecessor
H. cepranensis
H. erectus
H. ergaster
H. floresiensis
H. gautengensis
H. georgicus
H. habilis
H. heidelbergensis
H. neanderthalensis
H. rhodesiensis
H. rudolfensis
H. sapiens idaltu
H. sapiens sapiens (modern humans)

As for 'it's only a theory', from dictionary.com:

the·o·ry
   [thee-uh-ree, theer-ee] Show IPA
noun, plural the·o·ries.
1.
a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity. Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.


Any more low hanging fruit you would like to discuss?

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by ArrowsNV
So wait...

I got handed a copy (as did everyone else that was there unless they refused it) of the New Testament while going to process for MEPS (Military Enlistment Processing Station) and those guys didn't get arrested...

Probably because men preparing for military service, who could be sent into action and die, might welcome the idea that if they get shredded by a bouncing betty and vaporised by some other I.E.D., that they might be able to go on existing on the spirit plane after death.

My brother was a combat medic sent to Iraq, a gideon gave him a Holy Bible and he read it and it gave him comfort when he saw his friends die right in front of him, one of them shot in the head by an insurgeant sniper while standing right next to him, and could have just as easily been him that got killed.

This I actually agree with. I may be agnostic but it really is given to them for comfort. I've had a lot of really old people tell me I'd start believing in jesus real quick if I was thrown onto the battlefield like they was xD