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Topic started on 27-3-2012 @ 07:33 AM by stereologist
In an article in Smithsonian magazine
www.smithsonianmag.com...

Is an interesting situation in which fake data becomes real data in the minds of the believer.

The article deals with crop circles and in part states
Today, one of the more vigorously promoted ideas is that they are messages, buried in complex numerological codes, concerning a Great Change connected to the pre-Columbian Mayan calendar and due to occur in 2012.


Later the article states
False evidence intended to corroborate an existing legend is known to folklorists as “ostension.” This process also inevitably extends the legend. For, even if the evidence is eventually exposed as false, it will have affected people’s perceptions of the phenomenon it was intended to represent. Faked photographs of UFOs, Loch Ness monsters and ghosts generally fall under the heading of ostension.


This is what happens with the hoax of 2012. We have ostension.


reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 07:36 AM by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

We have ostension.
reply to post by stereologist


No, no, SOME have ostension. Not all.

Furthermore, i fully agree with this. If you want to believe something bad enough, you will find ways to make it true.

vvv


reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 07:57 AM by Xcalibur254
reply to post by GLontra


So what you're saying is that it's doomsday for only North America? The rest of the world is at an appropriate temperature and heat waves happen. How exactly can you tie this into some made up claims about 2012. This post proves exactly what was said in the OP.


reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 08:03 AM by SonoftheSun
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False evidence intended to corroborate an existing legend is known to folklorists as “ostension.”


But what about real evidence for which there are no answers?

Mass Die-offs increasing?

An all-time Record temperatures for this month of March?

Weather extremes increasing?

Sounds in the sky?

Not saying it has anything to do with 2012 though. But it doesn't look good.




reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 08:07 AM by stereologist
reply to post by GLontra


So there are high temperatures now. OK.

What do you think that means?


reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 08:10 AM by stereologist
reply to post by SonoftheSun


But what about real evidence for which there are no answers?

Mass Die-offs increasing?

An all-time Record temperatures for this month of March?

Weather extremes increasing?

Sounds in the sky?

Not saying it has anything to do with 2012 though. But it doesn't look good.

Mass die offs are not uncommon. As much as we want to pretend that nature takes care of its own, that is not often true. One of the easiest mass die offs to track over time are whale beachings. They have been written about for a long time. Squid die offs are not rare, but they are not as cuddly as mammals.

What do you think a heat wave in March means?

What do you think sounds in the sky means?


reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 08:27 AM by SonoftheSun
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Mass die offs are not uncommon.


True. However, the numbers have increased and that is uncommon.

Example / Dolphins


What do you think a heat wave in March means?


I wish I knew. We had july weather here last week. It screws up the crops and flora now that it's back under the freezing point. An all-time record for the whole month is everything but common. But I do not know the reason why.


What do you think sounds in the sky means?


Aside from the hoaxes and copycats, there are different theories. Again, I wish I knew.


Back to you Stereologist. What do YOU think they mean?


reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 08:47 AM by GLontra
reply to post by Xcalibur254


There are many, many strange things going on in the whole world this year.

Those record high temperatures in the USA anda Canada are only one of those things, and one that nobody can deny, and nobody can say is not meaningful.


reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 08:55 AM by stereologist
reply to post by SonoftheSun


True. However, the numbers have increased and that is uncommon.


It seems this is the "... largest beaching by a single species in history. ". That is what the article states. So my question is what is the largest beaching ever.

If we look over the statements in this wiki article we see that this is not new and that there are about 2000 stranded whales a year.
en.wikipedia.org...

I'll keep looking for numbers of beachings



reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 08:57 AM by hanyak69
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Does this apply to all conspiracies...eg.. 911 truthers, JFK assasination, pearl harbor, gulf of tonka, bay of pigs...etc if so then I am ostensioned out.. And does this have anything to do with Joel olstien?
You can explain everything as a phsycosymatic overload that is until proven, if you believe something without proof it is considered FAITH or ostension. You just have to pick how crazy you wanna be.
IMHO everyone on ATS is ostensioned about something or they would not be on this site.


reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 09:02 AM by GLontra
Originally posted by stereologist
The heat waves are normal weather for the Earth as a whole. Back in 1923 there were 160 days in a row for 100+F temperature. That's a record that still stands together. That makes me shrivel just thinking about it.

en.wikipedia.org...



Yep, and those heat waves happen "every year" right?

Look: a very rare phenomenom that only happens once per century "decides" to happen EXACTLY in 2012, the year of the "Mayan hype", and that has "no meaning" at all. Yeah, right, I have no doubt you will think that way. But not me, thanks.


reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 09:10 AM by Xcalibur254
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What about the massive snowfall we had a few years back? What about in 1927 when the temperature in Spearfish, South Dakota changed from -4F to 45F in the course of two minutes? Or what about later that same day when the temperature dropped from 54F back to -4F in the course of 27 minutes? Why does a heat wave that has broken mean anything more than these other weather anomalies? I'll tell you why. Because you have bought into the cult of 2012 and are now looking for any reason to justify that belief. In other words you are demonstrating ostension.


reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 09:11 AM by nirvi
reply to post by stereologist

But i guess it goes both ways, doesn't it ?
means if one doesn't want to believe it will find all the evidence supporting that and thus under Ostension again.


reply posted on 27-3-2012 @ 09:13 AM by Xcalibur254
reply to post by GLontra


Exactly. 2012 is all hype. What does a heat wave have to do with made-up prophecies, misinterpreted data, and outright lies? Weird weather happens every year. The only reason you are picking up on this heat wave is because you have been conditioned to think 2012 is special.
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