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it's not OK for someone to also feels threatened and being followed (playing devil's advocate here) to jump the person following them
Had Zimmerman stayed put and left this to the real police, none of this would have happened.
Originally posted by rufusdrak
Nice strawman argument in your first paragraph, no one said Zimmerman was interrogating nor detaining him. You attempted to disprove me by proving that detaining is not legal, yet I never even so much as hinted that Zimmerman detained Martin so thus your straw man article gets thrown out the window to the garbage where it belongs. Nice try though.
As for the guideline, I'm assuming you're talking about private/gated communities, I can take the picture of the sign of the private community I happen to live in, which clearly states the guidelines, which clearly states you are not allowed to be in or loiter without proper ID showing you live there, how's that for proof.
Zimmerman had no way of knowing anything, only from what he can observe, and he clearly observed Martin acting suspicious, dressed suspiciously (in a hoodie concealing his face).
And as for that argument that has no bearing as you said on Zimmerman's decision but it does have bearing in court of law where it can obviously be used against Martin as an illustration of his character, the fact that he was a known drug dealer. As for your question of proof, it was posted numerous times in the thread, go back and search for it, there is a photo of Martin's facebook showing someone asking them to sell them some drugs using code slang for the drug.
2. The suspension thing once again is not relevant for Zimmerman but is relevant in the court of law because as I said it's an illustration of Martin's character. Plenty people here are ad hominem bombing Zimmerman for such and such he's done or such and such times he's called the police in 2004, etc, so don't whine when people therefore defend him by conversely calling into question Martin's checkered past.
Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by majesticgent
Exactly, it is not OK to jump someone because you think they are following you. That is absurd. Maybe the guy following you is only going in the same direction.
Sure, I am just pointing out how much info that's floating around out there isn't correct.... at least as far as I can tell.
Originally posted by majesticgent
reply to post by butcherguy
OK so I am 250 miles from home in a friend's neighborhood walking back from a convenience store minding my own business at 7:17pm. Does that give Zimmerman, you, or the police the right to arrest me? That was my point.
Originally posted by korathin
It is called CITIZENS ARREST! The only difference between a Police Arrest is that if the Police arrest the wrong person, they can't be sued into oblivion. In-fact, Police Officers derive their right to arrest from Citizens Arrest.
Originally posted by happyhomemaker29
Originally posted by butcherguy
Originally posted by sjorges2002
Skittling is slang for dealing- Have you ever heard of a skittle party? I think OP is on to somethin jorge reply to post by HangTheTraitors It is drug-related, but I am not sure about the dealing. Skittling I am still looking. Urban Dictionary lists skittler as a person that prefers pills to other drugs. edit on 24-3-2012 by butcherguy because: (no reason given) Police state Trayvon had a bag of ....wait for it.....Skittles in his hand and Ice Tea. I'm sure this can be confirmed by the gas station. The color of his skin doesn't automatically mean he was a drug dealer. Whites are known to deal, asians too, latinos too. Every nationality deals. Trayvon had no arrests in his record for dealing, therefore he is innocent in the eyes of the law. Agreed, I am part black and don't deal drugs at all. My point was that the 'Skittles' thing has a drug connotation, but none that I could find meant dealing drugs.
If you follow that person you are presenting a confrontation. That's like walking up on a cornered dog and not expecting that dog to bite you.
Originally posted by Chalupas
BLACK PANTHERS - $10K bounty on Zimmerman
New Black Panther leader Mikhail Muhammad announced the reward during a protest in Sanford Saturday. And when asked whether he was inciting violence, Muhammad replied defiantly: "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."
If the government won't do the job, we'll do it," Muhammad said, leading his group of eight party members in chants like "freedom or death" and "justice for Trayvon" while making the iconic gesture of raising their fists into the air
Hmm....Wouldn't they be doing the EXACT same thing they are saying Zimmerman did?
It's like we are really in the stone age. Apparently, a complete understanding of civilized judgement is unnessecary -- I mean, laws, who needs them. Right?
edit on 24-3-2012 by Chalupas because: (no reason given)
Police said Zimmerman called 911 and described Martin as “suspicious.” The two scuffled, and Trayvon wound up dead from a single bullet from Zimmerman’s licensed 9mm semiautomatic, authorities say.
“The guy on the bottom, who I believe had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, ‘Help, help.’ I told him to stop, I was calling 911,” John told the TV station. Zimmerman was wearing red.
“When I got upstairs and looked down, the person that was on top beating up the other guy was laying in the grass. And I believe he was dead at that point,” the eyewitness claimed.
Several witnesses have disputed the idea that Zimmerman was acting in selfdefense.
“I heard someone crying – not boo-hoo crying, but scared or terrified or hurt maybe,” Mary Cutcher told the Miami Herald. “To me, it was a child.” She explained, “This was not self-defense. We heard no fighting, no wrestling, no punching. We heard a boy crying. As soon as the shot went off, it stopped, which tells me it was the child crying. If it had been Zimmerman crying, it wouldn’t have stopped. If you’re hurting, you’re hurting.”
Originally posted by majesticgent
reply to post by butcherguy
I didn't say it was an analogy to this case at all.
You're taking things way out of context. I was illustrating cause and effect. Cause: you walk up on a cornered dog. Effect: it bites you.
Never once did I say Trayvon was like a cornered dog, or even allude to it.
That's like walking up on a cornered dog and not expecting that dog to bite you.
1. a. Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar. b. A comparison based on such similarity.