reply to post by Bob Sholtz
I've been trying to find a way contribute something of value to this thread and I found one in your response.
Since I'm a woman who has had enough Sharia education to know what kind of beatings are allowed and what are not, I shall chime in a bit.
The Western culture as we speak of, deems beating someone a form of abuse right? So from the perspective of someone who thinks any and all kinds of
beating are bad, this isn't going to go very well. But this is the same culture who thinks divorcing someone over cheating is fine and acceptable and
even encourages it without so much as a concern over what happens to the children or the parents or whether the meaning of marriage is lessened or
not. There may be differences of opinion, but a man beating his wife as a last resort to bring her out of the deep trench she's in, has more love for
her than a man who would divorce her outright.
You see, if you've been educated in the entirety of Islam, and not just in certain portions of it, you would understand the context of the verse that
allows for beating and you'd understand why it makes sense.
Islam as a religion is not a religion of peace. But a religion of moderacy. Thats what I have deducted from all of my years of education in it anyway.
What does that mean? Moderacy requires that you have two points of reference:
A maximum, and a minimum. And somewhere in the middle you find your moderacy. And from an established sense of moderacy, comes peace and love and what
not. Without which, you can have neither.
As per this example, any teaching in Islam has a maximum allowance and a minimum limit. I don't want to bore you all with my examples, but lets
consider this. This is ancient Arabia, before the advent of Islam, women were bought and sold, married into and 'divorced' like cattle without any
guide for rights or laws for it. There wasn't even an established concept of 'marriage' among the pagan tribes. They married whoever they wanted, as
many as they wanted and divorced their wives without so much as a glance or would take them back whenever they pleased. They were simply seen as
cattle to be bought and sold and used. No one asked women whether they wanted to be married or not? However when Islam came around, they were
immediately given rights as human beings in the eyes of God. That they were created equal to man in relation to rights and had an equal share of
responsibility at home, albeit in different areas. Motherhood was made sacred, respect for women was made paramount if a man was to enter Heaven.
"The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'The most perfect of believers in belief is the best of them in character.
The best of you are those who are the best to their women.'" [at-Tirmidhi]
I can count NUMEROUS hadith on how to treat women well, but I can also count numerous hadith on how women need to treat their men well, since its a
two way road.
Coming to the beating part. The Maximum a man can do if his wife is being disloyal to him (cheating for example) is leaving her alone at night in her
bed, if that doesn't stop the behavior, he has a right to beat her, but not on her face, and not in a manner that would abuse her physically. We are
taught that this is preferable to outright divorcing someone and ruining their life and marriage. If that doesn't work, he divorces her. As you can
see, there are levels of treatment. This doesn't bother me one bit. Why? because first of all I know the man I choose to marry will know exactly what
to do if I cheat on him. He knows the boundaries set by God. If he goes out of those boundaries, he will pay for it in the hereafter severely. And a
lot of women would prefer to be beaten on the buttocks a little then outright divorced. Well, if they prefer the latter than they're not very sane in
As for the poor Pakistanis, they've been living in a cultural hell for generations now. The educated ones of those, whom I have very good friends, are
very respectable people who treat each other with kindness and affection and do not go beyond what God has set for them.
You can freely criticize ignorant masses for their treatment, but do not mix what they do with what Islam demands, cause it's clearly not the same
edit on 22-3-2012 by nusnus because: (no reason given)