Nearly 1,000 Pakistan women 'killed for honour'

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posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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I share your outrage.

And I'd be very tempted to solve such problems as you suggest. Thankfully, I'm not in such a position. And, actually, I hate violence. I could kill for food if I HAD to. And I can protect my family or group. But on the whole, I abhor violence.

However, the globalist oligarchy is more ruthless and murderous than even Islam.

And THEY are the ones foisting Islam on the rest of the world with such calculated genocidal murderousness.

THEY love to cause factions to destroy each other.

THEY are determined to genocidally reduce the population to 200 million.

Islam is a convenient tool toward such ends.




posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by BO XIAN
LOVE IS THE KEY ISSUE.
For there to be the POSSIBILITY of LOVE,
there MUST BE a realistic OPTION to CHOOSE NONLOVE.


No.
God is love.
God is infinite.
Therefore, love is infinite, an eternal constant.
There is no such thing as non-love, only the illusion of it.
Those who appear to choose non-love are only playing a child's game, pretending to hide from He who lets them explore all the possibilities, out of respect for the free will He has given them.
But as non-love is only a game and an illusion, it will eventually end, and all who played the game will come back home and rest.

Even the murderer of women and the abuser of children was once an innocent baby.
From an eternal perspective that innocent baby still Is.
And the innocent portion of the soul, the divine spark, will inevitably survive, how can it be otherwise? Can a portion of the infinite Creator ever truly be lost? Can you imagine the joy of the tearful reunion in heaven when the perpetrator and the victim recognize the divine spark and beauty within each other and forgive each other for the pain they blindly inflicted while playing the game?



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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And just how many women (or men) were killed in domestic abuse incidents worldwide ?

Honor killings are the same as domestic abuse that ends up with a dead spouse.

It has to do with control over the other.

Using the term "Honor killing" on the other hand is a great way to propagate hate now isn't it/



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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Sooooooooo . . .

how much do you suppose the women and children

murdered for pride/'honor'

FELT HATED vs loved more than the perpetrator's arrogance,

moments before their death?

How much do you suppose they felt 'HONORED' their whole lives . . . given that the man's pride was obviously more important?

And what RELIGION cultivates such a mentality overwhelmingly?

And what RELIGION cheers such actions so overwhelmingly?

And what "moderates" in what RELIGION are soooooooooo terminally silent in the face of such horrors? And why?



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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I see how you have resolved your philosophical cunundrum.

That's not my construction on reality.

I assume it does help you sleep better. LOL.

Thanks for your kind reply.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by Ameliaair
 



Sooooooooo . . .

how much do you suppose the women and children

murdered for pride/'honor'

FELT HATED vs loved more than the perpetrator's arrogance,

moments before their death?

How much do you suppose they felt 'HONORED' their whole lives . . . given that the man's pride was obviously more important?

And what RELIGION cultivates such a mentality overwhelmingly?

And what RELIGION cheers such actions so overwhelmingly?

And what "moderates" in what RELIGION are soooooooooo terminally silent in the face of such horrors? And why?



In domestic abuse it is about pride.

Stop propagating hate against people using terms like Honor killing



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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Uhhhhhhhhh Hello?

the term

"HONOR KILLING"

comes from

. . . . the Swahili's? NO.

. . . . the Escimos? NO.

. . . . the Aussi's? NO.

. . . . the Chinese in Beijing? NO.

. . . . the Navajos? NO.

. . . Islam and Muslims?

DING! DING! DING!

BINGO!

WE HAVE A WINNER!

Interesting that you give

the world

the practice

and

the label

and now y'all want to ban or hide the label?

Impressive.

So, are we going to see heads lopped off for Westerners using the MUSLIM label?

Howe about coming up with a new one

"HONOR LIVING"

for Muslims who speak up in outrage against "HONOR KILLINGS?"

We won't hold our Western breaths.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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BTW, when your CO-RELIGIONISTS

stop

the arrogance and ruthless tyranny of "HONOR KILLINGS,"

THEN

We'll have no more use for the term.

Stop the killings. We'll stop using the term.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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Honor killings are the same as domestic abuse that ends up with a dead spouse.


No they are not. Domestic abuse in the west is an individual criminal act, opposed by society in general, frowned upon and outlawed / prosecuted. Honor killings such as those in Pakistan are often collective acts, supported by society and not prosecuted, even embraced.
BIG difference.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by Ameliaair
 



Uhhhhhhhhh Hello?

the term

"HONOR KILLING"

comes from

. . . . the Swahili's? NO.

. . . . the Escimos? NO.

. . . . the Aussi's? NO.

. . . . the Chinese in Beijing? NO.

. . . . the Navajos? NO.

. . . Islam and Muslims?

DING! DING! DING!

BINGO!

WE HAVE A WINNER!

Interesting that you give

the world

the practice

and

the label

and now y'all want to ban or hide the label?

Impressive.

So, are we going to see heads lopped off for Westerners using the MUSLIM label?

Howe about coming up with a new one

"HONOR LIVING"

for Muslims who speak up in outrage against "HONOR KILLINGS?"

We won't hold our Western breaths.






so basically you just want to propagate hate against a religion?

ok, carry on



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Do you realize how many women are killed by their Husbands in the US anually?

You might want to check if your Glass House is stone proof.

Next Muslim Hating Thread in 5..4..3..2..1..


it seems from the article that the 1000 murders were motivated by honor alone, not general murder. 1000 honor killings. the abuse rate is probably damn near 100%.

severe beatings and honor killings are viewed as "tradition" in these countries, so the courts rarely charge for them, and when they do, the sentence is a slap on the wrist compared to the punishment murdering a young girl should fetch, that is, the murderer's life.
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posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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Im not sure im following the point of this thread, is this a "christianity is better then islam because..."

Just a case of picking the lesser of two evils imo


And as a poster said on the first page, this is a cultural issue, not religious.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 02:28 PM
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As many people have said, this is cultural, not religious.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by jjkenobi

Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Do you realize how many women are killed by their Husbands in the US anually?

You might want to check if your Glass House is stone proof.

Next Muslim Hating Thread in 5..4..3..2..1..


Seriously? Except in the United States killing your wive/daughter/sister is a CRIME and you go to JAIL. In Pakistan it's allowed and considered honorable.


"In Pakistan it's allowed and considered honorable."
Where are you getting this from? It's not allowed, nor is it considered honerable. It's murder, the you get jailed for it.
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posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by BO XIAN

Originally posted by petrus4
What is your proposal for solving this problem, OP?



And the Muslims are gleefully cooperating thinking it is evidence that their beliefs are right and about to triumph over all others.

They seem oblivioius that the oligarchy is merely using them as a tool and that it will, in the end, trash them also or force them into literal satan worship.


ok. while the fact this is happening almost literally rips my heart out, i'm frankly very familiar with islam and have a very hard time believing that "all the muslims are gleefully cooperating". that's just not what i witness on a daily basis.
secondly, "they seem oblivious..." is exactly how i would describe ALMOST EVERY "CIVILIZED" SOCIETY ON THIS PLANET.

with that said, it is horrible that people would do such a thing in the name of honor. they will be judged, and appropriately punished when the time comes, fear not.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by Maslo
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No they are not. Domestic abuse in the west is an individual criminal act, opposed by society in general, frowned upon and outlawed / prosecuted. Honor killings such as those in Pakistan are often collective acts, supported by society and not prosecuted, even embraced.

[color=3300FF]BIG difference.


(emphasis added)

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

Except that Islam includes in the founding documents the exhoration that lying is quite 'righteous,' in behalf of Islam, I'd be shocked that anyone could claim otherwise.

We have plenty of our own flaws in the West. But we're not all absolutely lobotomized idiots.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 03:26 PM
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We have plenty of our own flaws in the West. But we're not all absolutely lobotomized idiots.



the fact that you would make such a horrid generalization to me indicates that you are not at all sensitive to each individual's plight in this world. jesus would be so disappointed.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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so basically you just want to propagate hate against a religion?


NOPE.

Actually, I don't actively hate even satan.

I do hate lies presented as facts.

I do hate the wholesale Marxist Stream Media distorting reality soooooooo wholesale about the

'honor' killings as well as generally whitewashing about Islam as well as

the relentless lies and blackwashing about Christianity.

Seems to me, all the Christians on ATS could scream on here 24/7/365 in red and still not come within 1/10,000th of correcting the wholesale lopsided treatment

1. of Islam in a whitewashing favorable thoroughly inaccurate way

vs

2. the utter destructive blackwashing of Christianity.

This honor killing stuff is indefensible. Yet we have apologists hereon defending it with great regularity.

This OP is just another example of the facts for folks to consider.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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jesus said "love thine enemy" and "turn the other cheek" , turning the other cheek meaning turn it so that they can slap it again! jesus was a pacifist and a lover of all people good & evil because they are all god's children. i love jesus. lol.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by GLaDOS
As many people have said, this is cultural, not religious.


NONSENSE.

It is DEEPLY engrained in the RELIGION as well as the culture.

The arrogant indignation fostering the killings is held up as

"RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION."

The Imams cheer such on and sometimes lead such deadliness.

Sooooooooo . . . WHEN is a RELIGIOUS leader

encouraging and even leading such deadliness

NOT RELIGIOUS???

BTW, my PhD Dissertation was smack in the middle of the psychology and sociology of beliefs and practices. From that perspective, I insist, such horrors

ARE EXCEEDINGLY RELIGIOUS.

"Mere" cultural examples are not near as intense nor as virulent.

It has to do with Freud's observations about

IN-GROUP VS OUT-GROUP values and mentalities.

It virtually REQUIRES A STRONGLY RELGIOUS COMPONENT

to excite folks to such horrors.

I have a hard time thinking of a strictly NON-religious activity that comes close.

And even that would have RELIGIOUS OVERTONES.





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