It is a Geoengineering thread we should move back on topic.
Where the heck did Geoengineering believers are going to kill
the contrail believers, come from?

By saying that they could insult me, and not bothered by the fact.
They are now trying to twist the words into violent attacks on them.
I think a mod should step in and back up, that I invited a personal attack
on me, but never threaten to drop a airplane stalk or kill pilots as I am hearing
now.

Originally posted by pianopraze

Point of fact I photographed two sets directly making long contrail x in the moonlight. 8:54 & 9:06. The contrails from 8:54 were spread out and east out of frame over the mountains at 9:06.

You are mistaken think those are the same contrails.

The bigger spread out fingers were made directly over my head and drifted east into frame and spread out to the point you see them in 9:06. The second x was on top of the already spreading fingers. Like I said they were covering entire sky so that it was covered.

The second x filmed at 9:06 had just occurred within last min or so and had not yet spread out.

I didn't mistakenly assume those fingers were man made. Your full of poop. I watched the planes overhead form those and they drifters east into the moonlight so I could film them.

Quit trying to put words in my mouth.

edit on 16-3-2012 by pianopraze because: Autocorrect fun

I'm not putting words in your mouth... just saying what you said

There were two types of planes in the air... those making normal contrails, about what the app shows they should have given current conditions. Then there were these others, flying at approximately the same altitude making these huge spreading contrails.

So you had aircraft making normal contrail as they are in your pictures and then you had "others" that made huge spreading contrails. Your words, so what did I miss. I have pointed out numerous times that you failed to take a single picture of these "others" and I also pointed out that the contrails never expanded, so how did these "others" have massive expansion to fill the sky in under 10 mins.

I'm just looking at the pictures but I color coded them and we can see that the contrails float away and start to break up, but they NEVER expand. So, once again, why didn't you take a picture of these other 10 plus aircraft as they made the huge cloud? they must have all been in the air flying at the same time, and yes I would agree that would have been a sight to see and a cool picture to take, but you didn't.

And lastly the contrails are easy to identify since they keep their shape and angles somewhat, but the cloud has no pattern to it other than misshapen fingers going in the same general direction. Do those fingers truly look like they came from a group of uniformed flying aircraft?

I think not....

Contrails are color coded to show the same ones in each picture.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

So you had aircraft making normal contrail as they are in your pictures and then you had "others" that made huge spreading contrails. Your words, so what did I miss. I have pointed out numerous times that you failed to take a single picture of these "others" and I also pointed out that the contrails never expanded, so how did these "others" have massive expansion to fill the sky in under 10 mins.

I'm just looking at the pictures but I color coded them and we can see that the contrails float away and start to break up, but they NEVER expand. Sust have all been in theo, once again, why didn't you take a picture of these other 10 plus aircraft as they made the huge cloud? they m air flying at the same time, and yes I would agree that would have been a sight to see and a cool picture to take, but you didn't.

And lastly the contrails are easy to identify since they keep their shape and angles somewhat, but the cloud has no pattern to it other than misshapen fingers going in the same general direction. Do those fingers truly look like they came from a group of uniformed flying aircraft?

I think not....

Your making a mistake almost as big as calling the moon the sun...

9:08 above the moon to the right. Short, normal contrail... that plane is on the radar just south and east of me.

All those long spreading contrails you color 1 red, 2 green, and one yellow... not on radar, and you helpfully point out at least 4 that are not on radar... ty. thats 5 in or right out of frame of that picture alone that you point out.

I honestly didn't count, they were every where. A photo is a small box of the sky. That 5 were in such a small area should help you see how many planes were in the air... go see how many boxes it takes you to get every bit of the sky from horizon to horizon...

Your doing very well illustrating my point. While saying they aren't there....

Those "finger" contrails.. that you call "clouds" was the first wave, and it was done right above my head while the first long spreading contrails were made crisscrossing in my first shots... the fingers spread out and slowly floated into illumination of the radar right about the time that second wave flew through laying down overtop the first. There were A LOT of planes. Above my head was even more contrails forming similar formations... it covered the sky from horizon to horizon, what part of that do you not get? The whole sky looked like that, i could only photograph a small area do to light restrictions.

I have never seen that many at one time in the sky over our house!

They did not fly in "uniform" formation, they came one after another from different directions. Your again trying to put words in my mouth. I very explicitly said they never flew in formation and were not uniform. Yes they did crisscross but that is different.

Beter ask proud bird about contrails not expanding and forming clouds... you got your fact wrong there from your side of the bench, can't have that one both ways. I'll take some pictures sometime of contrails expanding and forming clouds. No one denies this happens except apparently you. These contrails forming clouds were conspicuous that there were not conditions present, and there was a second set of planes which were not making them, while these were.

And I have answered you why I didn't film the ones over me... it wouldn't work.. no light! What part of it was full night do you not get? I guess I should have had your mystical sun to shoot with - that might have helped... but really I could only take those pictures I did because the moon highlighted them.

I can't help how those contrails defused... I can only report what I saw. And you are helping me prove my point.

Anyway, enough. This is pointless I've said the same things tens of times. If you don't get it, you don't get it. I'm done.

Originally posted by burntheships

Whenever I see THIS type of flailing ...I know that serious damage has been done
to the credibility of the deniers of Weather Modification, and Geoengineering.

You and your ilk used to be able to get folks to fall hook, line and sinker for
all the incredibly poor "research" that you present, which is nothing more than your opinion
masquerading as "facts".....when in reality nothing but lies and disinformation.

It's not that there are deniers it is just that the proof needed is just not there. I remember the 10,000 posts on ATS on how Chris Angel is real, and that is a good example on how much "evidence", or lack of, that one may need to believe in something whole heartily.

When I look at the OPs post here he posts a lot that is just not in the pictures. He says he saw a very large number of planes making the huge expanding cloud, but he shows no picture of those planes. He does show a few contrails that were made by planes, but those contrails are not a part of the cloud and they never expanded.

So with that what am I to think? Should I be like you and just take his word for it or should I ask why is there no pictures of the aircraft making the huge cloud formation? I would have taken 100s of pictures if it was the "smoking gun" but the OP has failed to show the smoking gun and just shows the aftermath that he interprets as Geoengineering.

As in other conspiracies there are huge gaps missing when a person goes from point A to point B in them, and the Chemtrails conspiracy is no different.