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reply posted on 14-3-2012 @ 10:14 PM by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

Work could mean anything from being a pilot or co-pilot, to a maintenance engineer, to a refueller, a baggage handler, a steward/stewardess or a cleaner. None of which will qualify you as an expert on contrails, chemtrails or anything else of that nature. Clear enough?


Having crawled all over the aircraft makes me an expert on the equipment it contains tho.

currently working with pilots, air traffic controllers, engineers, other mechanics and meteorologists in an aviation environment means I have access to experts in all aspects of aviation, including engine design and fuel composition, and atmospheric conditions.

I also have access to a wide range of detailed information about aviation related topics such as aircraft design and performance, fuel compositions, etc.

so what is it that makes you expert enough to comment on my expertise or lack of it?


reply posted on 14-3-2012 @ 10:33 PM by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

Trying hard much? I have access to all kinds of experts via internet but that still doesn't make me an expert on those subjects, as you are so quick to point out. So you're a "mechanic". Big deal. Crawling all over the aircraft makes you possibly an expert in repairing and maintaining it but that really is it. Period. I am an "expert" in system administration but I still couldn't tell you anything about how a PC really "works" or how to hack them. Enjoy those stars though.


reply posted on 14-3-2012 @ 10:36 PM by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by LightSpeedDriver


Hey I'm just answering your questions - why won't you answer mine?

What is your expertise to decide what my expertise is?


reply posted on 14-3-2012 @ 10:50 PM by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

You just don't get it? Lemme spell it out. You are an expert on aircraft maintenance (judging from what you said anyway), all the rest is opinion despite the air of authority and arrogance you try to infuse your posts with on various subjects. Is that clear enough? I would think so but then maybe I just think so...
edit on 14/3/12 by LightSpeedDriver because: Typo
edit on 14/3/12 by LightSpeedDriver because: Grammar too



reply posted on 14-3-2012 @ 11:10 PM by Gmoneycricket
Originally posted by Curious and Concerned
Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
Does show that they do receive compensation by working in the industry, and want to maintain a certain public opinion about aircraft during operation.
Commerce in its competitive stance.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you claiming that every person working in the aircraft industry is aware of geo-engineering or chemtrails, but get's paid to keep it quiet? If this were true, you'd think there'd be a whistle blower or two, but none have come forward. Or are you talking about the public opinion on contrails? FYI, I'm in the field of mechanical engineering but currently have nothing to do with the aircraft industry other than a long held interest in planes. I am just fascinated by aircraft and don't like seeing false or misleading claims made without rebuttal. So I couldn't tell you if this is true or not.
edit on 14/3/12 by Curious and Concerned because: (no reason given)


Just a fact
nothing against workers.

Heck somewhere I have a bronze plaque claims
I am a
Advanced Fuel Injection Specialist
with 72 other certs under that.

Does that mean I have to defend what is considered acceptable pollution in the automotive world,
I pretty much understand the effects of burning fuel and air.
I could seek out thousands of forums about the misinformation being spread about cars and try to educate them.
But why?
It has no monetary benefit for me.
So I watch you guys defend what you know, and wonder why.


reply posted on 14-3-2012 @ 11:16 PM by luxordelphi
reply to post by Chadwickus

I had provided a link with a few simple tips on telling chemtrails from contrails. I selected a few quotes from the link to post.

Chemtrails or Contrails?

I then received this reply:

You left out the fact that both contrails and cirrus clouds are precursors of weather systems because of the cold moist air which precedes them at high altitudes.

to which I replied:

Where in the world would I have to go to see this? Jet trails and their fake clouds have never preceded a weather system where I've been. I'm willing to travel though to see this marvel.

because the previous statement does not conform with what I see everyday and with what the article I linked is stating. It says that things get drier, not wetter, the higher you go. I live in the desert. It almost never rains here and so there are almost never any storm systems. Average rainfall here is 4.49 inches a year. Last year, 2011, the rainfall total was 2.34 inches. And most of that fell on 2 separate days. And yet jets leave trails that spread and turn into fake clouds almost every day here.

Satellite can't tell whether something is a fake cloud or a real cirrus cloud so the link to Portugal is an inconclusive issue. The video of Melbourne doesn't really show that the sky got filled up with jet trails and only jet trails and then a weather system moved in.

So, cirrus, natural cirrus, can herald weather systems. Contrail cirrus, in the days before chemtrails, when they were rare, may have heralded weather systems - I don't know. Today, they do not because they are forming where there is no humidity on the ground and so there certainly isn't going to be any in the drier levels higher up. And they are not an indication of weather systems.


reply posted on 14-3-2012 @ 11:29 PM by luxordelphi
reply to post by Curious and Concerned


if you wish to see contrails

I don't wish that. I was saying that jet trails today do not herald weather systems because there are jet trails that turn into fake clouds where I live almost everyday and there is almost never any weather system. They may have presaged weather in the past when they were rare but since the 1990's when they are more often than not and common, they do not. This is because they are fake clouds made out of chemical aerosols.



reply posted on 14-3-2012 @ 11:41 PM by Gmoneycricket
Originally posted by Curious and Concerned
Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
Just a fact
nothing against workers.

Heck somewhere I have a bronze plaque claims
I am a
Advanced Fuel Injection Specialist
with 72 other certs under that.

Does that mean I have to defend what is considered acceptable pollution in the automotive world,
I pretty much understand the effects of burning fuel and air.
I could seek out thousands of forums about the misinformation being spread about cars and try to educate them.
But why?
It has no monetary benefit for me.
So I watch you guys defend what you know, and wonder why.


I'm not defending aircraft pollution. I know it pollutes, and it is not great for the environment. If everyone decided not to take planes there would be far less pollution, but I don't see that happening any time soon. What is this fact about workers?

I don't need any monetary incentive to point out flaws in posts on here. Do you not strive to have the truth told? I would have thought that would be enough of an incentive to eradicate misinformation. If you don't, why did you sign up to a site that has a motto "deny ignorance"?


I do deny ignorance in 5th grade,
I was taught water is a chemical,
water drips out the back of cars.
So cars leave a chemtrail of water and other stuff on the ground,
so why can't airplanes in the air?

Chemtrails/Contrail/Geoengineering
means something different to everyone.
I am learning here from both sides of the argument.


reply posted on 15-3-2012 @ 02:02 AM by ProudBird
reply to post by pianopraze


Dude.....hate to have a medical problem, no one should have to but.........

.....IF your intent was to attempt to blame contrails??

Think about it, rationally.....if "you" have an inner ear infection, but it's only "you".....then, how could it be from (as you seem to be implying) contrails over your head at and above 30,000 feet?

Contrails which, BTW, are not that dissimilar from normal cirrus clouds of various sorts.

Furthermore.....even IF (big "if") "something" was ever "sprayed" at 30,000 feet and above, and in your field of view......even IF it reached the ground, it would be NO WHERE near your location!!

Try to use some science knowledge, and thing it through.......

FINALLY....can you name ONE type of....well, of anything that could "remotely" cause an inner-ear infection in just ONE person, out of thousands....or, tens of thousands, in any population?


If there are no clear answers to those questions, above....well then.....figure it out on your own. Because I hate to bring up "hypochondria", without knowing more.......


reply posted on 15-3-2012 @ 09:22 AM by Mary Rose
reply to post by pianopraze


Maybe you could have some tests run, perhaps by a naturopath, to see what chemicals show up.
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