Geoengineering - caught in the act?

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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
What if I had contracted him to make me his art,
of a windmill with that planetary alignment, on a clear night.
I would be out of my art, he would receive no pay,
neither of us were able to honor contract.
Can't blame him, he researched weather, it was suppose to be a clear night.


This is just one example, how many people on the planet have had commerce
affected every day
just from contrails alone?

This is a very good question, and one I cannot answer. I don't know if there is a huge market for photos of windmills with a planetary alignment, but there may be one nonetheless. But if he/she researched the weather, it would have been clear that a front was approaching, even though it was clear earlier in the day. The past records that go as close to the time and location as I can find, suggest cloud was increasing by midnight with rain arriving early the next day. Here's the source for historic weather - Lexington.


I must thank you for the intelligent discussion, as you raise some good points. Cheers




posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 

Work could mean anything from being a pilot or co-pilot, to a maintenance engineer, to a refueller, a baggage handler, a steward/stewardess or a cleaner. None of which will qualify you as an expert on contrails, chemtrails or anything else of that nature. Clear enough?



Having crawled all over the aircraft makes me an expert on the equipment it contains tho.

currently working with pilots, air traffic controllers, engineers, other mechanics and meteorologists in an aviation environment means I have access to experts in all aspects of aviation, including engine design and fuel composition, and atmospheric conditions.

I also have access to a wide range of detailed information about aviation related topics such as aircraft design and performance, fuel compositions, etc.

so what is it that makes you expert enough to comment on my expertise or lack of it?



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
I used to work on that aircraft!


Edit - Actually... I probably didn't!!


Looking back the ZK-NAA I worked on was a Fokker F-27 Friendship!!

haha no worries.
Within a couple of years I may be working on it's successors, or potentially the 777's and 787's.

But there's a lot to do before then. After all, I'm still contracted to my disinfo job
edit on 14/3/12 by Curious and Concerned because: add my current job, as alleged by CaptainBeyond



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:31 PM
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Does show that they do receive compensation by working in the industry, and want to maintain a certain public opinion about aircraft during operation.
Commerce in its competitive stance.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:33 PM
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Trying hard much? I have access to all kinds of experts via internet but that still doesn't make me an expert on those subjects, as you are so quick to point out. So you're a "mechanic". Big deal. Crawling all over the aircraft makes you possibly an expert in repairing and maintaining it but that really is it. Period. I am an "expert" in system administration but I still couldn't tell you anything about how a PC really "works" or how to hack them. Enjoy those stars though.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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Hey I'm just answering your questions - why won't you answer mine?

What is your expertise to decide what my expertise is?



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
Does show that they do receive compensation by working in the industry, and want to maintain a certain public opinion about aircraft during operation.
Commerce in its competitive stance.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you claiming that every person working in the aircraft industry is aware of geo-engineering or chemtrails, but get's paid to keep it quiet? If this were true, you'd think there'd be a whistle blower or two, but none have come forward. Or are you talking about the public opinion on contrails? FYI, I'm in the field of mechanical engineering but currently have nothing to do with the aircraft industry other than a long held interest in planes. I am just fascinated by aircraft and don't like seeing false or misleading claims made without rebuttal. So I couldn't tell you if this is true or not.
edit on 14/3/12 by Curious and Concerned because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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You just don't get it? Lemme spell it out. You are an expert on aircraft maintenance (judging from what you said anyway), all the rest is opinion despite the air of authority and arrogance you try to infuse your posts with on various subjects. Is that clear enough? I would think so but then maybe I just think so...
edit on 14/3/12 by LightSpeedDriver because: Typo
edit on 14/3/12 by LightSpeedDriver because: Grammar too



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by Curious and Concerned

Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
Does show that they do receive compensation by working in the industry, and want to maintain a certain public opinion about aircraft during operation.
Commerce in its competitive stance.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you claiming that every person working in the aircraft industry is aware of geo-engineering or chemtrails, but get's paid to keep it quiet? If this were true, you'd think there'd be a whistle blower or two, but none have come forward. Or are you talking about the public opinion on contrails? FYI, I'm in the field of mechanical engineering but currently have nothing to do with the aircraft industry other than a long held interest in planes. I am just fascinated by aircraft and don't like seeing false or misleading claims made without rebuttal. So I couldn't tell you if this is true or not.
edit on 14/3/12 by Curious and Concerned because: (no reason given)


Just a fact
nothing against workers.

Heck somewhere I have a bronze plaque claims
I am a
Advanced Fuel Injection Specialist
with 72 other certs under that.

Does that mean I have to defend what is considered acceptable pollution in the automotive world,
I pretty much understand the effects of burning fuel and air.
I could seek out thousands of forums about the misinformation being spread about cars and try to educate them.
But why?
It has no monetary benefit for me.
So I watch you guys defend what you know, and wonder why.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 11:16 PM
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I had provided a link with a few simple tips on telling chemtrails from contrails. I selected a few quotes from the link to post.

Chemtrails or Contrails?

I then received this reply:


You left out the fact that both contrails and cirrus clouds are precursors of weather systems because of the cold moist air which precedes them at high altitudes.

to which I replied:


Where in the world would I have to go to see this? Jet trails and their fake clouds have never preceded a weather system where I've been. I'm willing to travel though to see this marvel.

because the previous statement does not conform with what I see everyday and with what the article I linked is stating. It says that things get drier, not wetter, the higher you go. I live in the desert. It almost never rains here and so there are almost never any storm systems. Average rainfall here is 4.49 inches a year. Last year, 2011, the rainfall total was 2.34 inches. And most of that fell on 2 separate days. And yet jets leave trails that spread and turn into fake clouds almost every day here.

Satellite can't tell whether something is a fake cloud or a real cirrus cloud so the link to Portugal is an inconclusive issue. The video of Melbourne doesn't really show that the sky got filled up with jet trails and only jet trails and then a weather system moved in.

So, cirrus, natural cirrus, can herald weather systems. Contrail cirrus, in the days before chemtrails, when they were rare, may have heralded weather systems - I don't know. Today, they do not because they are forming where there is no humidity on the ground and so there certainly isn't going to be any in the drier levels higher up. And they are not an indication of weather systems.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
Just a fact
nothing against workers.

Heck somewhere I have a bronze plaque claims
I am a
Advanced Fuel Injection Specialist
with 72 other certs under that.

Does that mean I have to defend what is considered acceptable pollution in the automotive world,
I pretty much understand the effects of burning fuel and air.
I could seek out thousands of forums about the misinformation being spread about cars and try to educate them.
But why?
It has no monetary benefit for me.
So I watch you guys defend what you know, and wonder why.


I'm not defending aircraft pollution. I know it pollutes, and it is not great for the environment. If everyone decided not to take planes there would be far less pollution, but I don't see that happening any time soon. What is this fact about workers?

I don't need any monetary incentive to point out flaws in posts on here. Do you not strive to have the truth told? I would have thought that would be enough of an incentive to eradicate misinformation. If you don't, why did you sign up to a site that has a motto "deny ignorance"?



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 11:29 PM
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if you wish to see contrails

I don't wish that. I was saying that jet trails today do not herald weather systems because there are jet trails that turn into fake clouds where I live almost everyday and there is almost never any weather system. They may have presaged weather in the past when they were rare but since the 1990's when they are more often than not and common, they do not. This is because they are fake clouds made out of chemical aerosols.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by Curious and Concerned

Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
Just a fact
nothing against workers.

Heck somewhere I have a bronze plaque claims
I am a
Advanced Fuel Injection Specialist
with 72 other certs under that.

Does that mean I have to defend what is considered acceptable pollution in the automotive world,
I pretty much understand the effects of burning fuel and air.
I could seek out thousands of forums about the misinformation being spread about cars and try to educate them.
But why?
It has no monetary benefit for me.
So I watch you guys defend what you know, and wonder why.


I'm not defending aircraft pollution. I know it pollutes, and it is not great for the environment. If everyone decided not to take planes there would be far less pollution, but I don't see that happening any time soon. What is this fact about workers?

I don't need any monetary incentive to point out flaws in posts on here. Do you not strive to have the truth told? I would have thought that would be enough of an incentive to eradicate misinformation. If you don't, why did you sign up to a site that has a motto "deny ignorance"?


I do deny ignorance in 5th grade,
I was taught water is a chemical,
water drips out the back of cars.
So cars leave a chemtrail of water and other stuff on the ground,
so why can't airplanes in the air?

Chemtrails/Contrail/Geoengineering
means something different to everyone.
I am learning here from both sides of the argument.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 11:57 PM
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But I do have one chemtrail story and we were looking down at the city
and looking down at a plane that was leaving a large white trail.
Fuel dump in city, I don't think that would fly.

No pictures, 2 witness, looking down at contrails from the mountain.
somethings not right.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 01:36 AM
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I now have a sinus caused ear problem, I went to Dr. Monday and was diagnosed. I have never before had this, Dr. said if the meds he has given me don't work I might have to have surgery or loose my hearing. He said it is extremely rare in older people, usually if its going to happen it happens in childhood.

I was with a group of friends tonight and two others had the same problem. I have never lent much credence to the possibility of geoengineering causing such problems...

... I might have to rethink.

This is starting to get personal and go beyond pictures and abstract conspiracy theories.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 02:02 AM
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Dude.....hate to have a medical problem, no one should have to but.........

.....IF your intent was to attempt to blame contrails??

Think about it, rationally.....if "you" have an inner ear infection, but it's only "you".....then, how could it be from (as you seem to be implying) contrails over your head at and above 30,000 feet?

Contrails which, BTW, are not that dissimilar from normal cirrus clouds of various sorts.

Furthermore.....even IF (big "if") "something" was ever "sprayed" at 30,000 feet and above, and in your field of view......even IF it reached the ground, it would be NO WHERE near your location!!

Try to use some science knowledge, and thing it through.......

FINALLY....can you name ONE type of....well, of anything that could "remotely" cause an inner-ear infection in just ONE person, out of thousands....or, tens of thousands, in any population?


If there are no clear answers to those questions, above....well then.....figure it out on your own. Because I hate to bring up "hypochondria", without knowing more.......



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 03:54 AM
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Originally posted by Curious and ConcernedIf you don't, why did you sign up to a site that has a motto "deny ignorance"?


The thing about that motto is that it works both ways... people like you really need to be educates about geo engineering so we can help deny your ignorance



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 03:57 AM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
What is your expertise to decide what my expertise is?


So have you ever seen these things installed on any aircraft you have crawled all over?




Why is he wearing a mask



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero
I have a few questions.....

If the Government was going to disperse chemicals etc why not always do them at night?



I don't doubt his words, even for a second.

Back in the 80's, I saw something awasome ... the US military in Iceland, dumped chemicals in the atmosphere above. They were doing these experiements on regular basis, and at this time when I saw it, it was also broadcasted as an experiement. On the AFRTS, if I remember correctly ... this is years ago. On the AFRTS they said, if you see something spectacular in the skies, it's just a geo experiment ... nope, this ain't no story, or conspiracy theory ... not yet.

You know why it was being done? Now, that we more complex, and easily be dismissed as a conspiracy theory.

Because the cloud formation, would bring these chemicals over to the Soviet Union. This was in the spring, at evening ... the ash cloud from Hekla, went all the way to moscow.

Now, I have no doubt believing that these "experiments" were also the part of the reason, why the Soviet union had crops fail for several years, during these years. And, which had the collapse of the Soviet Union, as a result. I still remember seeing the news from people in the Soviet union lining up in long lines, to buy bread, because of wheat shortage.
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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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Maybe you could have some tests run, perhaps by a naturopath, to see what chemicals show up.





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