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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by pianopraze
I never said everyone in the world... gross exaggeration, all or nothing technique.


didn't say you did - I pointed out that geoengineering seeks global effects, not any limited to a single area as you did identify.


I never said I was targeted... slander and make person seem crazy technique.


I didnt' say you said that eitehr.

I pointed out that if you think there is a connection between these contrails and your illness, and lots of other people do NOT have the illness, then it is a logical deduction that whatever it is that has caused the illness has been targets at the people it has affected, and conversely not targeted at the people it did not affect.

I also noted that if you think there is no such link then obviously there is no such targeting.

Those were clearly my own deductions from what you did say.

I also asked you whether you think there is a link between the contrails and your illness - you haven't answered that yet.


You disgust me.


Perhaps if you read what I said and didn't manufacture false accusations to then believe in a circular justification then you might feel better.


I did say that geoengineers have pointed out that one consequence of geoengineering is bacteria and virus' trapped in the stratosphere would come down. That would effect everyone in the region.[/quote

And do you have any evidence that this is happening now?


Quit these disgusting techniques.


Quit manufacturing dishonest "evidence".




posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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Your actions over just about every post here on ATS speaks more than any words I could say.

If they are geoengineering, the bacteria trapped up there would fall in a random fashion. So it would not hit every single person, It would spread out over the entire region and those unlucky enough to be out in it.

I have been out a lot in the nice weather recently photographing and riding my motorcycle. I would have a proportionately higher chance to be affected than others.

Pollen count is high now, but it hasn't really be that high yet - and is getting much higher now than it was March 7. Again I can make no conclusive connection. My comment was I will have to reexamine my thoughts on this subject. I have never had ear problems before, especially ones so serious that he might have to refer me onto a specialist to get tubes put in my ears if this medication does not fix it. My doctor said it was extremely rare of someone of my age to develop these type of problems.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Curious and Concerned

Well would you look at that. The model you used to adamantly claim contrails could not form, predicts contrail formation almost exactly at the time you photographed them, when using the best pressure settings as advised by NOAA. That's quite impressive for a model that only takes measurements every 12 hours. This matches the actual observed meteorogical data fairly closely. This proves that contrail formation was highly likely at the time of your pics.

To summarise all of the points you raised, and the appropriate rebuttal.

EPIC EVIDENCE FAIL!




I don't think we need a debate whether contrails could form or not. The OP did take pictures of two aircraft making them and those contrails remained throughout the other pictures though you can see them breaking up.

I think the point here is whether the finger clouds are just naturally formed or created by a large number of aircraft that flew in after the OP took the pictures of the first two contrails. The facts are we have no pictures of those "other aircraft" (OPs words) and it would need to have all been done in under 10 mins from start (clear sky with two contrails) to finish (very large fully formed fingered cloud).

Though the finger clouds are heading in a somewhat similar direction (effects of wind?) none of them are uniformed in any way as such would be the case in the event of aircraft all creating the same contrail type formations at the same time within a short span of time. Also I find it peculiar that the two older contrails would stay skinny the whole time as they broke up, but the newer ones would have some kind of super expansion that borders on the realm of impossibility for this all to happen under 10 mins.

In the end I see two real contrails and a cloud formation that did not need to expand at all but condensed all at once into the shape it ended up with (this can happen within 10 mins unlike expansion). The OP mistakenly took these very naturally form shapes as manmade, so really look at the finger clouds and you will see they are not uniformed at all as would be the case if they were manmade.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by pianopraze
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 



Your actions over just about every post here on ATS speaks more than any words I could say.

If they are geoengineering, the bacteria trapped up there would fall in a random fashion. So it would not hit every single person, It would spread out over the entire region and those unlucky enough to be out in it.

I have been out a lot in the nice weather recently photographing and riding my motorcycle. I would have a proportionately higher chance to be affected than others.

Pollen count is high now, but it hasn't really be that high yet - and is getting much higher now than it was March 7. Again I can make no conclusive connection. My comment was I will have to reexamine my thoughts on this subject. I have never had ear problems before, especially ones so serious that he might have to refer me onto a specialist to get tubes put in my ears if this medication does not fix it. My doctor said it was extremely rare of someone of my age to develop these type of problems.


To be honest, I never wanted to debate in this thread if geoengineering was possible or not, or if governments were actively involved in geoengineering. My main focus was whether your cloud fingers were geoengineering or something natural.

I have a lot of aviation experience too as some others also have (28 years of flying all over the world for the military, A & P, and now I fly UAVs all over the world) and I have yet to see any aircraft with the needed capabilities for a geoengineering project. I know a little about bio & chem warfare disbursement techniques and they are all done low and have a limited area of effect due to that the parts per million really thin out quickly into total ineffectiveness. For a plane to dump extremely high makes no sense and is a huge waste of time and resources when all they would need to do is something like "spray for mosquitoes" with trucks to get a much better effect and control. Lastly, our water sources would be the best, cheapest most effective way to do this. 30,000 foot contrails is like putting a drop in the Mississippi river for effectiveness AND control...in other words really doesn't make much sense.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by pianopraze
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 



Your actions over just about every post here on ATS speaks more than any words I could say.


Indeed - virtually every post I make says more than any of your words.


If they are geoengineering, the bacteria trapped up there would fall in a random fashion. So it would not hit every single person, It would spread out over the entire region and those unlucky enough to be out in it.


That would be everybody sooner or later, would it not?


I have been out a lot in the nice weather recently photographing and riding my motorcycle. I would have a proportionately higher chance to be affected than others.


How about all the people out playing sport, hunting, going for walks? Why do you assume you are outside more than anyone else?

And why couldn't this stuff get inside anyway?


Pollen count is high now, but it hasn't really be that high yet - and is getting much higher now than it was March 7. Again I can make no conclusive connection.


so why mention it at all??


My comment was I will have to reexamine my thoughts on this subject. I have never had ear problems before, especially ones so serious that he might have to refer me onto a specialist to get tubes put in my ears if this medication does not fix it. My doctor said it was extremely rare of someone of my age to develop these type of problems.


But apparently not unheard of.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero


I don't think we need a debate whether contrails could form or not. The OP did take pictures of two aircraft making them and those contrails remained throughout the other pictures though you can see them breaking up.

I think the point here is whether the finger clouds are just naturally formed or created by a large number of aircraft that flew in after the OP took the pictures of the first two contrails. The facts are we have no pictures of those "other aircraft" (OPs words) and it would need to have all been done in under 10 mins from start (clear sky with two contrails) to finish (very large fully formed fingered cloud).

Though the finger clouds are heading in a somewhat similar direction (effects of wind?) none of them are uniformed in any way as such would be the case in the event of aircraft all creating the same contrail type formations at the same time within a short span of time. Also I find it peculiar that the two older contrails would stay skinny the whole time as they broke up, but the newer ones would have some kind of super expansion that borders on the realm of impossibility for this all to happen under 10 mins.

In the end I see two real contrails and a cloud formation that did not need to expand at all but condensed all at once into the shape it ended up with (this can happen within 10 mins unlike expansion). The OP mistakenly took these very naturally form shapes as manmade, so really look at the finger clouds and you will see they are not uniformed at all as would be the case if they were manmade.




Point of fact I photographed two sets directly making long contrail x in the moonlight. 8:54 & 9:06. The contrails from 8:54 were spread out and east out of frame over the mountains at 9:06.

You are mistaken think those are the same contrails.

The bigger spread out fingers were made directly over my head and drifted east into frame and spread out to the point you see them in 9:06. The second x was on top of the already spreading fingers. Like I said they were covering entire sky so that it was covered.

The second x filmed at 9:06 had just occurred within last min or so and had not yet spread out.

I didn't mistakenly assume those fingers were man made. Your full of poop. I watched the planes overhead form those and they drifters east into the moonlight so I could film them.

Quit trying to put words in my mouth.
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posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 07:20 PM
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Almost none of your posts say anything at all especially anything substantial or on topic.

I wish I could get away with the off topic crap you pull all the time.

Those that were outside recently of my friends in the open air are coming down wiith ear sinus infections. Those that stayed inside are not. Seems like a direct corrolation but it could just be normal allergies. But that seems a little bit of a streetch to blame geoengineering. It always has to me. But given the weirdness of all this I might have to reexamine those beliefs.

So far the meds are not clearing this up either.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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Geeze, man!!!!! You have LOST this one....give it up!! (Yeah...you gathered LOTS and LOTS of *stars* and *flags*...Woo Hoo!!!! Good for you!!!!!!)


Point of fact I photographed two sets directly making long contrail x in the moonlight. 8:54 & 9:06. The contrails from 8:54 were spread out and east out of frame over the mountains at 9:06.

You are mistaken think those are the same contrails.


"Point of fact" is.....you photograhed ( and props, once again, to your photographic eye!! )....but, you photographed perfectly NORMAL contrails.

Done.

End.

Get over it, and go out and learn about aviation....Dude.

There are many of us here, who are ATS members, who can help to teach you. I have done it....I have taught a LOT of people how to fly.....yeah it was some time ago, but I still know how to teach....how to impart knowledge.....not easy "online", to those "unwilling".

Face-to-face, and One-on-One is a different animal...perhaps, one day (??)....



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 07:36 PM
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Glad you think so. That's what opinions are like. Glad we are still free enough to voice them.

All those stars and flags are about a lot of other people who have a different opinion from you.

I am one of those. And far from being lost I've received a lot of feedback from people changing their minds and giving this topic another look.

And even if I'm batpoop crazy as many of your side has said directly or implied... Geoengineering is even crazier and only stands to benefit the globalist bastards who are already bankrupting all our countries economies and gaining more power and control.

I am standing here as a target so those who would/can not put up with the constant abuse can be heard. And so far I think your side is coming away the looser.

Also...

I am spreading awareness of this subject even if they haven't already begun.... And I think there is mounting evidence that they have begun.
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posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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Geeze, man!!!!! You have LOST this one....give it up!! (Yeah...you gathered LOTS and LOTS of *stars* and *flags*...Woo Hoo!!!! Good for you!!!!!!)


It is quite clear to me that the intentions of the OP when posting this thread had nothing to do with stars and flags. The people who starred and flagged this thread did so because it deserves it.




you photographed perfectly NORMAL contrails. Done. End. Get over it, and go out and learn about aviation....Dude.


I disagree, they do not appear to be normal contrails to me under any definition. I think your sense of what is normal has been extremely warped by you being too closely involved in the aviation industry.

Maybe you should get out more and learn about something else besides aviation.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by SteelToe
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you photographed perfectly NORMAL contrails. Done. End. Get over it, and go out and learn about aviation....Dude.


I disagree, they do not appear to be normal contrails to me under any definition.


From google's "define" function:


con·trail/ˈkänˌtrāl/
Noun:
A trail of condensed water from an aircraft or rocket at high altitude, seen as a white streak against the sky.


Now you won't have to demonstrate your ignorance of what a contrail looks like any more.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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I disagree, they do not appear to be normal contrails to me under any definition. I think your sense of what is normal has been extremely warped by you being too closely involved in the aviation industry.


Then, perhaps YOU could jump to the task of providing "proof" of so-called "chemtrails".....

....MKay??

Are you "down" with that??

Some "proof", please......(photos, if you got 'em!)



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 08:56 PM
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your ignorance of what a contrail looks like any more.


This kind of talk makes me think of how you would describe color,
to a color blind person.
He will see it the way, I want him to see it, and if does not I will do my best to
insult or belittle him.
I am learning,
Technology of airplanes has evolved to name calling by the ones in the industry.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 09:01 PM
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I find it interesting that in modern times there are men
that feel threaten by what other men see in the sky.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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Just the amount of insults, and 24/7 put downs,
still leads me to believe there is something they are trying to hide.
If it looks like a trail, quacks like trail, but you are not allowed to speak of a trail,
It Must Be A Trail!



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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So anyway
anytime you run out of people to insult
you can insult me,
as we discuss how many chemicals are in jet exhaust.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by Gmoneycricket


your ignorance of what a contrail looks like any more.


Technology of airplanes has evolved to name calling by the ones in the industry.



Really? Helping someone know a little more is now name calling?

You say it is sad that people feel threatened by what others see in he sky - however all the threats of physical violence seem to be from "chemmies" against "contards" - and none the other way around.

There's a whole bunch of people out there saying they want to shoot down aircraft, kill pilots, stalk them, that there should be the death penalty for "spraying" and similar threats of violence.

Why is that?



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Gmoneycricket


your ignorance of what a contrail looks like any more.


Technology of airplanes has evolved to name calling by the ones in the industry.



Really? Helping someone know a little more is now name calling?

You say it is sad that people feel threatened by what others see in he sky - however all the threats of physical violence seem to be from "chemmies" against "contards" - and none the other way around.

There's a whole bunch of people out there saying they want to shoot down aircraft, kill pilots, stalk them, that there should be the death penalty for "spraying" and similar threats of violence.

Why is that?



And you have proof there is no people flying in planes threatening to harm those on the ground.
More false statements trying to force opinion.
It is getting easier to see thru you guys then the trails you leave in the air.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by Gmoneycricket

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Gmoneycricket


your ignorance of what a contrail looks like any more.


Technology of airplanes has evolved to name calling by the ones in the industry.



Really? Helping someone know a little more is now name calling?

You say it is sad that people feel threatened by what others see in he sky - however all the threats of physical violence seem to be from "chemmies" against "contards" - and none the other way around.

There's a whole bunch of people out there saying they want to shoot down aircraft, kill pilots, stalk them, that there should be the death penalty for "spraying" and similar threats of violence.

Why is that?



And you have proof there is no people flying in planes threatening to harm those on the ground.


And that makes it OK to threaten to shoot down airliners and stalk and harras the pilots of aircraft hat ae not doing anything wrong, does it?

Plus of course it's the ol' argument from ignorance yet again.


More false statements trying to force opinion.


What false statement did I make in the post you quoted? I shall withdraw it at once.....



It is getting easier to see thru you guys then the trails you leave in the air.


Meaningless rhetoric - ther eis not one single piece of verifiable evidence for the existence of "chemtrails" EVER.

Yet there should be if there was actually "something" happening - there would be masses of "something" in the air, there would be aircraft with strange equipment, there should be fuel that is out of specification, there would be masses and masses of obvious physical evidence.

But apparently you think the logical fallacy "you can't show it isn't happening" is sufficient justification for threatening to shoot down airliners with hundreds of people on board??



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 09:38 PM
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So you want to control people
and not give them a right to protest what they see in the sky?






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