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"A Fleet of airplanes the size of SW Airlines."
Believe it or not, there are as many different ideas of what they are as there are believers.
as many different ideas of what they are as there are believers.
Originally posted by ProudBird
Is it your assertion that this mystery "fleet" of 500+ airplanes is already in service, and devoted to nothing else except "spraying chemicals"? If this is going to be the claim, then be prepared to provide supporting evidence.
Originally posted by ThirdRock69
At most there are about 10 different theories.
Originally posted by ProudBird
You are aware that there are very clear records of every airliner built, correct? Line production numbers, "contract numbers", Serial numbers, etc, etc. And, modern airliners don't come off of the assembly lines as fast as cars, you know.
4.1. Airplanes
Existing small jet fighter planes, like the F-15C Eagle (Figure 2a), are capable of flying into the lower stratosphere in the tropics, while in the Arctic, larger planes, such as the KC-135 Stratotanker or KC-10 Extender (Figure 2b), are capable of reaching the required altitude. ......
The Northrop Grumman RQ-4 Global Hawk can reach 20 km without a pilot but costs twice as much as an F-15C. Current designs have a payload of 1-1.5 tons. Clearly it is possible to design an autonomous specialized aircraft to loft sulfuric acid precursors into the lower stratosphere, but the current analysis focuses on existing aircraft.
Options for dispersing gases from planes include the addition of sulfur to the fuel, which would release the aerosol through the exhaust system of the plane, or the attachment of a nozzle to release the sulfur from its own tank within the plane, .......
The military has already manufactured more planes than would be required for this geoengineering scenario, potentially reducing the costs of this method. Since climate change is an important national security issue [Schwartz and Randall, 2003], the military could be directed to carry out this mission with existing aircraft at minimal additional cost. ...
Unlike the small jet fighter planes, the KC-135 and KC-10 are used to refuel planes mid-flight and already have a nozzle installed. In the tropics, one option might be for the tanker to fly to the upper troposphere, and then fighter planes would ferry the sulfur gas up into the stratosphere (Figure 2b). It may also be possible to have a tanker tow a glider with a hose to loft the exit nozzle into the stratosphere.
JetBlue is a low cost airline that operates a fleet of 110 Airbus A320-200s and 41 Embraer
190s. Because of their homogeneous fleet, Jetblue is a good airline for cost comparison.
By assuming a passenger and luggage mass of 113 kg each, JetBlue’s 21.9M
passengers in 2008 equal 2.48 million tonnes flown a year. Multiplying this by
their average stage length of 1,820 km (1,120 mi), JetBlue flew 4,508 million
tonne-kilometers in 2008.
Geoengineering represents 7% of the JetBlue tonnekilometers
per year and this is the factor used to scale JetBlue costs for comparison
Or some airline might decide to modify the existing aircraft they have. You know,
as this study outilines, some airlines already have a geoengineering budget.
people.ucalgary.ca...
Because of their homogeneous fleet, Jetblue is a good airline for cost comparison.
contrails are condensation basically water vapor eventually evaporating
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by burntheships
Or some airline might decide to modify the existing aircraft they have. You know,
as this study outilines, some airlines already have a geoengineering budget.
No.
people.ucalgary.ca...
Because of their homogeneous fleet, Jetblue is a good airline for cost comparison.
The cost analysis had to base its estimates on something. The cost analysis used the the statistics from Jetblue's total operations for a comparison. The cost analysis calculates that the proposed requirements for the cost analysis would amount to 7% of Jetblue's annual load. The study uses that that for its cost estimate. This is not a "budget" for Jetblue.
So you cant prove that Jet Blue does not have a geoengineering budget..
Originally posted by Phage
I can't prove that unicorns don't exist either.
Yea, I didn't think so. Best to look at the rocks and not throw them.
The term chemtrail is derived from "chemical trail", in the similar fashion that contrail is a portmanteau of condensation trail. It does not refer to other forms of aerial spraying such as crop dusting, cloud seeding, skywriting, or aerial firefighting.[7] The term specifically refers to aerial trails allegedly caused by the systematic high-altitude release of chemical substances not found in ordinary contrails, resulting in the appearance of characteristic sky tracks. Supporters of this conspiracy theory speculate that the purpose of the chemical release may be for solar radiation management, population control,[1] weather control,[2] or biological warfare/chemical warfare and claim that these trails are causing respiratory illnesses and other health problems.[8][9]