Let's Cut to the Chase - Iran Must Be Stopped

More distant views:

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Behind The Sanctions Against Iran
By JB Campbell
Via Russia Today

Americans must destroy the American planners of the coming war against friendly Iran. This is the only way to prevent another Jewish war of annihilation, since all of these wars are run by America, hiding behind the blue and white flags of Israel and the United Nations Organization."

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reply to post by MagnumOpus


Actually Israel has had the ability to annihilate Iran for many decades now, in addition to Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. Israel has refrained from doing so, instead relying on their ability in the conventional side of armed conflict.

Israel, should they ever decide to offically confirm they are a nuclear power, has not onced threatened her neighbors with destruction, as Iran has continually done since the 1979 military take over of Iran.

Iran is only a friend of itself and only when its own intrests are served. As we have seen with Syria and wikileaks, Iran is hanging Assad out to dry since he can no longer provide Iran with anything they want.

I look forward to the imminent collapse of the Iranian government and the manner in which you will attempt to make it out to be something other than it really is.

At any point are you going to speak in an intelligent and truthful manner and engage the topic at hand or are you going to continually run your propoganada and make General Heydrich proud?


Even after 70 pages you are still lost. The American people and government have no issues with the Iranian people. We have issues with its illegal government and the manner in which they oppress their own people while threatening the safety of other countries.

Irans illegal government is currently covering up their violations at the Parchin site before IAEA inspectors are allowed to visit.

Please, by all means, show me where the Israel government has ever declared that they are going to wipe Iran off the map / chanted death to Iran.

I dare you...

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by aorAki

 

Would you prefer the Iranian method of controlling free speech? I would rather spend 75+ pages arguing / debating / discussing a topic with people I would most likely never see eye to eye with than not be able to discuss / debate / disagree with at all.

It depends. I know a few Iranians. They are allowed out of their country to study. while there are indeed some (in my opinion) pretty bad things going on there they are astounded at the hypocrisy of the West. So maybe, just maybe, you are misinformed. How many Iranians have you talked to?
I'm going to be playing chess with one of them one day soon. She misses the game, having not played it since she left Iran.

The thing is, you're not debating, all I see are personal insults being flung around. The debate died pages ago, now it's just a pissing contest.

reply to post by aorAki


There are Iranians on this site, and as a matter of fact posting in this thread, among others. They like to target threads like this, among others that deal with Israel / US and ME policies, and thats fine.

Whats not fine is making claims they cannot support. There is nothing wrong with calling them out and asking them to support their claims. In case you did not notice, they are not doing that. They have turned this thread, among others, into the pissing contests you are mentioning.

that leaves 3 options -

* - Confront them with facts and ask them to defend their position.
* - Ignore them and allow their position and claims to go unchalleneged.
* - Hope a mod comes through and realizes they are breaking T and C by knowingly posting false information thats not supported by anything.

I prefer option 1 since it forces them to either refute the information we are posting, which they never do. It forces them to constantly post filler in order to bury the facts they cant refute, and we see this occuring with the continued posting and misquoting of random sources that contain nothing but anti jewish / anti US / anti western crap that can be found in the Nazi propoganda from the old days.

So my question to you is, since you are suggesting you know Iranians, is do they all share the same view point as the people posting in this thread, from either side of the line (Iran or Western). If they have issues with the Iranian side, what are the specifics and why?

As far as your friend and Chess goes that is a shame, since Chess origionally came about because of the Persians. One would think the Iranian government would heed their own inventions when it comes to global chess, but we put our dreams away.

The current path Iran is currently on is going to drag their country down a road the Iranian people are not part of, but will be affected by it.

One would think they would be familiar with the term - "Shah Mat"

Persian for check mate.

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How many stars do you need to make it to the front page?

It seems that when its a i hate america thread it takes like 3 stars and bam, its up front for a couple days...

reply to post by MagnumOpus


ATS Thread - Israel and the US are seen as more threatening than Iran | Arab opinion poll,

A good read that I highly encourage you to chek out.

On a related note, the ACRPS will soon begin preparations for a further survey of public opinion in 2012 and plans to release the results at the end of this year or the beginning of 2013.

Some of the more important highlights of the survey that are included in the preliminary report are:

Answers show that a clear majority of Arabs support a democratic form of government, believing in the importance of a transfer of power.

Most respondents describe themselves as religious, while rejecting clerical influence in politics.

71 percent of respondents expressed faith in their countries’ armies; 47 percent trust their governments (the executive arms of), and 36 percent showed trust in their countries’ legislative bodies before the revolutions.

83 percent of respondents say that corruption is widespread in their countries.

Only 19 percent of respondents believe that their countries’ legal systems treat all citizens equitably.

73 percent of respondents believe that Israel and the US are the two countries presenting the largest threat to the security of the Arab world, with 51 percent believing that Israel is the most threatening, 22 percent believe the US is the most threatening, and 5 percent reporting a belief that Iran is the single country most threatening to the security of their countries. The results on this question vary from one Arab country to another.

84 percent believe the Palestinian cause to be a cause for all Arabs, and not solely a Palestinian issue.

67 percent of respondents believe that present levels of intra-Arab cooperation are not satisfactory.

Roughly three-quarters support lifting travel and trade restrictions between Arab countries, the establishment of joint Arab military forces, and a unified monetary system. This highlights the similar belief, uncovered by this survey and shared by a clear majority of the respondents, which holds that citizens of all Arab states belong to a unitary Arab nation.

Most respondents supported the Egyptian and the Tunisian revolutions.

Most respondents attributed the revolutions to corruption, dictatorship and the lack of justice and equality.

84 percent of respondents are opposed to their countries’ diplomatic recognition of Israel, with only 21 percent of respondents expressing support for the peace agreements signed with the Israelis by Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine.

55 percent support having the Middle East declared a nuclear-weapons-free zone, compared to 29 percent who would oppose such a move. The majority of the 55 percent believe that Israel’s possession of nuclear weapons justifies possession of such weapons by other countries in the region.

Im amazed at the Executive Summary conclusions. While the view towards Israel and the US is not surprising, the views Arabs hold towards their own governments, politics, religion mixed with politics, economic decisions of their government, are all shockers to me.

It paints a very bleak picture for the current systems in place in Arab countries, while paints a very optomisitic view of Arab people and their hopes for the future.

the link below is the executive summary. Is a secured PDF file, so when you click you will get the option box to download the file. If you dont want to use the link below, use the op link for the main website, scroll to the bottom, where you will find the executive summary link / pdf.

Executive Summary

I would imagine if Arabs get the setup they want as outlined in the report, their view of the US and Israel will change ever so slowly, and the current debacle in Iran known as their government will cease to exist.

Looks like those telling big lies are being found out and becoming more despirate. Pretty soon Pigs will Fly and they'll all be Islamic Pigs secretly converted to bomb Israel to wipe its regime from the Earth. As they'll all scream and leave the entire region because it isn't Kosher.

Tons of little Mossad types inventing Pigs that Fly, while they have nuclear cookers in the basement serving up spam and various paranoia. The one thing to take note is they characteristically like to twist words, provide false information, screw up translations, spread hate, and promote wars.

But the truth always embarrasses them:

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Israel’s “Samson Option” – Isreal plans to Nuke Europe when WW3 WWIII starts


THE PROOF:

The full quote translated directly to English:

“The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time”.

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Israel’s “Samson Option”

James Morris talks about the little discussed
“Samson Option” where as Israel, feeling threatened
for it’s existence, will not only annihilate it’s
Muslim neighbors, but attack Europe with
nuclear weapons,

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Some unique looks at the Jewish new version of god, and why LBJ helped to proliferate nuclear weapons in Zionist's hands and was willing to help kill JFK to get there. One can see a good bit of the issues that JFK and Ben Gurion got into over Dimona. Dimona to Ben Gurion was the Zionist new Holy of Holys, akin to the Zionist god, which was named after Babylon's Trinity in the first test for the new Zionist god at White Sands, NM. As in the Babylon Trinity, it is all about tyranny over others. You'll also find US traitors in the nuclear projects and they were not Oppenheimer:

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www.washingtonpost.com...

Ironies abound here for today's reader. Shimon Peres, who is now sometimes ridiculed for dovish flights of fancy, was the hard-driving CEO of the bomb project. Lyndon B. Johnson, a member of the Disciples of Christ, blessed the enterprise at least in part out of biblical appreciation of the covenant between God and the children of Israel. Karpin writes that Johnson was influenced by an inscription his grandfather wrote in the family photo album: "Take care of the Jews, God's chosen people . . . help them any way you can."

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As it did in other countries, the Israeli pursuit of the bomb assumed sacred dimensions. "In Ben-Gurion's eyes," Karpin writes, "the nuclear project was holy." Those who donated to it were "consecrators," helping to build the Holy of Holies for modern Israel. According to Karpin, from 1958-60, the American businessman Abraham Feinberg led a secret fundraising campaign for the nuclear project that garnered about $40 million ($250 million in today's terms) from "some twenty-five millionaires." Karpin describes in new detail how Edward Teller, the monomaniacal father of the H-bomb, visited Israel six times between 1964 and 1967 -- the period when Israel passed the atomic threshold -- and unabashedly urged his friends there to build the bomb. All the while, Teller's government was negotiating the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, which Israel has never signed. Karpin intimates that Teller assisted Israel in designing sophisticated nuclear weapons. For the many people who want to equate Iran or Pakistan's nuclear aspirations with Israel's, the cooperation of Teller and French scientists and engineers with Israel will invite defensive equation with the notorious A.Q. Khan network, which helped spread bomb designs and know-how from Pakistan to Libya and Iran.

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It is rather obvious that JFK was killed for going against the Jewish Nuclear Bomb, so in essence Israel has threatend the US over its nuclear weapons and its new profane god of death. And a large part of that process installed a sociopathic killer into the White House that played the cards against the Freedom, and Economic Prosperity of the US Citizens.

Iran hasn't killed a US President for nuclear weapons. Nor robbed the US Blind with HEU from NUMEC at Apollo, Pa. Nor loaded the US with spies like Pollard. Nor had traitors like Teller loyal to Iran.


There are more US traitors right here. imho

Oh my God the fools are everywhere. You want to stop Iran from doing what they are not DOING? REALLY! Should we lock up men that haven't ever raped anyone to stop them from raping in the future? What other things should we stop that are not happening. THIS IS RIDICULOUS WAR MONGER TRASH!



And the story on it Panetta admits Iran not developing nukes

As long as goofballs like the ones that support this illegal and unconstitutional and pre emptive war are around we are all doomed. Iran will not go like Iraq and Afghanistan, we will LOSE if we attack Iran. The death of America over something that NEVER WAS!

reply to post by theindependentjournal


You made a good assessment: THIS IS RIDICULOUS WAR MONGER TRASH!

The Jingoists wait for low-quality internet news sites like ynet.com and Dudi Cohen for outrageous headlines.
And then those headlines are cascaded around the web on newfeeds, like copypasta , and when these American chickenhawks see the article in the web browser... well... it must be true!

The Jingoists are fixated and mesmerized by the media performances played out every day for them on main stream propaganda networks.

Let's Cut to the Chase - Diplomacy is the best option. Pre-emptive military actions are an act of war.

The Jingoists prefer to have a strong Chief Executive, preferably with military-industrial experience, who will order the invasion of 3rd world countries (sometimes secretly), topple or install foreign dictatorships, destroy national infrastructures in any domain, rebuilding them at U.S. taxpayer expense, and to occupy foreign lands for decades and more.

Let's Cut to the Chase - American Imperialism Must Be Stopped.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by theindependentjournal

 

You made a good assessment: THIS IS RIDICULOUS WAR MONGER TRASH!

The Jingoists wait for low-quality internet news sites like ynet.com and Dudi Cohen for outrageous headlines.
And then those headlines are cascaded around the web on newfeeds, like copypasta , and when these American chickenhawks see the article in the web browser... well... it must be true!

The Jingoists are fixated and mesmerized by the media performances played out every day for them on main stream propaganda networks.

Let's Cut to the Chase - Diplomacy is the best option. Pre-emptive military actions are an act of war.

The Jingoists prefer to have a strong Chief Executive, preferably with military-industrial experience, who will order the invasion of 3rd world countries (sometimes secretly), topple or install foreign dictatorships, destroy national infrastructures in any domain, rebuilding them at U.S. taxpayer expense, and to occupy foreign lands for decades and more.

Let's Cut to the Chase - American Imperialism Must Be Stopped.

Excellent post, but let's refine that and not fall into the same trap...Imperialism must be stopped. Don't matter who the Emperor is, we don't need them period.

Any direct action against Iran will only increase reprisal attacks against businesses and civilians. This is why Israel and the US, and for their parts, France and the UK, are happy just to keep selling the Iranians weapons. They don't care about their own people, those that can be targetted by such attacks, just so long as they are safe in their ivory towers. As long as we all keep hating each other, they keep the battles from arriving at their doors where they belong.

Mossad knows that they are powerless against Hezbollah. As does the CIA. They know that Hezbollah believe in what they are doing, which means, that unlike their own personnel, Hezbollah cannot be corrupted and that is why they have failed to infiltrate them.

End corruption, but start at the top.

"a statesman who has built his career on being an alarmist, and who boasts an impressive record of incessant, decades-long fearmongering"

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www.haaretz.com...

If it looks like a duck (frightened), walks like a duck (spreading anxiety), quacks like a duck (disseminating dread), then it must be a duck (a frightened fearmonger). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who quacked his fearmongering speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee convention on Tuesday, proved yet again that Israel has never had a statesman quite like him - a statesman who has built his career on being an alarmist, and who boasts an impressive record of incessant, decades-long fearmongering.

"Mr. Terror" has over the years become "Mr. Iran," fear-struck even by swine flu, frightening the public and insisting that every citizen be needlessly inoculated. These inoculations cost NIS 450 million, and some have been lying unused and useless in emergency storage since 2009.

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Then again, most Israelis do believe in the coming of the Messiah, don't they? No less than 55 percent of Israelis said they did in the above-mentioned survey. So what do we end up with? A prime minister who scares his people, a people that believes in the coming of the Messiah, and Netanyahu casting himself in the role of the Messiah - who, meanwhile, has not come, nor have his footfalls even been heard.

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reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


Diplomacy is exactly whats been pushed, FROM DAY 1, by the IAEA, the UN and the WEST, as well as Russia and China.

Iran is the stumbling block on diplomacy here, not any other country.

With Iran rejecting IAEA inspectors access to Parchin, twice now, and then agreeing to it while they are busy cleaning the site up, is problematic and shows Iran is not being truthful with their program.

If hostilities break out, its solely based on Iran being stupid and nothing else.

reply to post by MagnumOpus


Your thoughts on Parchin?

Any reason you aren't commenting on Iran being caught cleaning the site up?

Or is that too on topic for you?

reply to post by theindependentjournal


How many times do we need to explain this to you and the others? If you took the time to read the posts you would have noticed your post has been covered time and time again.

Its not about Iran building a bomb. Its about their ability to build one, specifically their enrichment facilities and enrichment levels.

If you are going to purposely repost information in order to help the Iran cheerleaders out, please pick something thats not already been done. Maybe learn something about the topic before posting as well.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Diplomacy is the best option.

Yes, it is - when it works. How many times should it be allowed to be used as a distraction to buy time, and then forced to failure?

Pre-emptive military actions are an act of war.

Yes, it is. Is there a point there beyond the statement of the obvious?

Let's Cut to the Chase - American Imperialism Must Be Stopped.

Which Imperialism would you prefer? Have no doubts about it - imperialism WILL emanate from some quarter, just as it has from Rome, Persia, Turkey, Britain, China, etc, etc. As long as there are people, there will be some fighting to be lords of the rest. The question is, which Lords would you prefer? Your own, or foreign?

"None" is not an option unnless you are willing to exterminate all humans - which IS an option.

Just not an optimal one - for humans.

Most people see this as going in three potential directions. Obama, the Great Muslum, is trying delay tactics and pay-offs to get the Zionists to wait past the next election. Hard to say which way the Muslum Obama is going to sway, at this point. But one outcome is to tell Israel to shut up, and the other unwise way is back an attack on Iran. Which is more than likely going to be considered an illegal invasion by Russia and China and it is Cuba Crisis all over again, but with launches and bombs landing in the US.

In the event of the latter, most predict this will get a heavy response from Russia, China, and Pakistan and basically WWIII starts. That comes with lots of hardships, as that will pretty much end the US's existance from the cost factors to those of the retaliation stikes taking out many major US Cities. But, that comes with a silver lining as once Washington is gone and most of the infrastructure of the US, the US might get to start over without the sold out crooks of the Congress and Senate of the US. But more than likely the US is going to become a socialist posession of either China and/or Russia. Most of Israel simply won't exist any longer.

The only real way for the US or the Christians to win is to stand down and let the Zionists start things and then all these countries land on the Zionists and that ends the tyranny. Call it armageddon, WWIII, but the issue is coming to a head. It can be a limited thing or a world disaster with everyone burning from radiation effects.

The lines are drawn and I don't think the Russians or Chinese have any intentions of backing off the territories that they defend. So, most of you get a ring side seat to see the run up for this madness, and I'd think 2/3 of you reading this won't be reading it a few days after this WWIII starts, as you will be dead from the counter strikes.

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Israel Is The Greatest
Threat To The Entire World
The Sampson Option

Israel says they have nuclear missiles aimed at cities all over Europe, which they curiously and insanely regard as ‘hostile’, this being the preferred choice of target of the Israeli Air Force. Israel routinely calls the USA ‘anti-semitic’ too. Does anything strike you a being a little odd about that? Like what the hell are we fighting for Israel for? If you want to do something to protect your security, address the issue of the Samson Option every day to your media and to all others till that threat is properly dealt with. Demand that it be the topmost issue from amongst all others until those Israeli nukes are confiscated. That is the only threat the whole world faces, not Iraq, not Afghanistan, not Libya, not Iran or any other nation, but Israel, the gangster bully boys.

During an interview with Alan Hart, the then Israeli premier Golda Meir twice stated that Israel was prepared to destroy the whole world with nuclear weapons if Israel ever faced military defeat. She and others have used this obscene blackmail, justifying it with the thought that we were all only ever created just to serve them, and that if we ever fail in this duty, then we are all to be quite justifiably punished by extermination. This is your security issue above all others.

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Then you will understand the power of the Jewish media that have kept you ignorant for decades as to the real threat to the world; it was never the Germans.

Stop the threat of the Samson Option now. Don't fight Iran or any other country for Israel.

Please repost this essay in full to bring the lethal nature of the threat of the Samson Option to the attention of as many people as possible. Or direct people to 'Mothman777's Blog'. Even at this 11th hour before the war with Iran, some chance exists to stop the madness.

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Originally posted by nenothtu
Yes, it is - when it works. How many times should it be allowed to be used as a distraction to buy time, and then forced to failure?

It is not so much that, it is quite simply pointless when the key players are excluded from the table. Furthermore, when it becomes, much like all other public arenas, a game of bluff tactics which quickly descends into little more than a parade of clowns who have no actual ability to commit to anything without first going back to their organ grinders. How can talks even begin to take place when it is only the lackeys that have the balls to actually put themselves on the line?

Originally posted by nenothtu
Which Imperialism would you prefer? Have no doubts about it - imperialism WILL emanate from some quarter, just as it has from Rome, Persia, Turkey, Britain, China, etc, etc. As long as there are people, there will be some fighting to be lords of the rest. The question is, which Lords would you prefer? Your own, or foreign?

It matters very little whether the rulers are of your own ethnicity or of another. The US afterall is a Heinz 57 variety of races and creeds. One is as good as any other in the long run, if they are all tyrants. If rule can only be maintained by the successive suppression of rights, the removal of personal freedoms, does it really matter who it is that is doing the ruling? The aim should always be to govern the rulers, and to ensure that rights are protected, defended and fought for, and never ceded once they have been won. They should never, ever be taken for granted. The people, whoever rules them, will only, in such cases, comply with an overthrow, if those liberties are preserved or bettered, as is exampled, numerous times, historically. Taking over any country without gaining the compliance of the people is futile, as is equally demonstrated, more recently. Hearts and minds wins everytime, over might without right.

The Middle East problems are certain to heat up in the next few months, and what we knew as the US will not exist any longer, if the US makes wrong moves. Gasoline from the Gulf States will end, and a large portion of the US Navy is an easy mark for Chinese and Russia missles. Tankers will be sunk in all the principle waterways for Gulf Oil transport. Various hits will target the Oil Producing Countries and what we knew as the US will end and we'll face starvation and many will freeze in the next winter. imho

As the games of the NWO are exposed, these crooks behind things need a war to distract and change the focus off themselves, and they need world wide life threating issue.

The only way for America to survive this is to watch Israel attack, and not get into what will become a major conflagration if they do otherwise.

The mess may kick off somewhat over Syria, but the Russians and Chinese won't move from Iran, and a massive war will put the US back into the dark ages.


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Why should America burn?

A question that every American must ask that why America should burn for israel.


Netanyahu is trying to trap the US in every possible manner, Washington must be watchful, if not the American public must come out to defend their interests by avoiding war and be taken as hostage to Israel. Later on Monday, speaking to an influential pro-Israeli lobbying group, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Mr. Netanyahu said, “We waited for diplomacy to work; we’ve waited for sanctions to work; none of us can afford to wait much longer.” This is a clear threat to America; if the US bows to such blackmails, not Israel but the American people shall suffer and pay the price.

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Muslims, including Iran al have been friends of America, they invested trillions of dollars into American economy, but they did not tax or burden it like Israel drains out in billions and billions of dollars every year. American people must question themselves, why for few million Israelis, America has antagonized and defriended 1.5 billion Muslims? Why should America risk its own people for an unjust cause and a state that is far from being an American friend? If America believes in free and just world then it must demonstrate with courage and deeds.

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Now to save the world from a major catastrophe, the responsibility lies on the American public. The need to react has never been so grave as it is today; some insane minds are bent upon destroying the world for their vested interests. Remember death is never a matter to rejoice, it brings chaos and destruction. It would take one push on the button to destroy what mankind has taken ages since times immemorial to build. It’s our world or its no body’s world; that’s what the situation is like.

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reply to post by nenothtu


Islam doesn't allow us to have Imperialism which sucks the blood of both it's own and foreign people.

Just and option.

reply to post by seabag


Hmm..I wonder if you've actually thought about this from Iran's point of view.

If they nuke Israel, all those Palestinians they've been supporting are going to die as well. The area we're talking about is so small to begin with, no amount of calculation can stop the collateral damage of the people they are trying to free. So to nuke Israel, or to even attempt to destroy it, cannot be done with guns and missiles. This would cause so many Muslims and Arabs to die in the process, the whole effort would be in vain.

You still think Iran would do this? That they would destroy the very people they're trying to protect along side the people they want gone? And the land completely and utterly barren with nuclear waste?

If you people think this is possible, then you my friend are even more evil than Iranians themselves.