Let's Cut to the Chase - Iran Must Be Stopped

Originally posted by milominderbinder

You notice how nobody wants to "talk about Israel" anymore ever since I provided the link to the CIA report that shows that Israel did the same damn thing in 1969 that Iran is doing today...only to have us respond by REWARDING Israel for their non-compliance?

How long do you think it will take before anybody admits that they didn't really understand the history of the region.

You have so far provided no such link, and in fact CAN not, since there is no possible way for Israel to have violated a treaty that 1) they never signed, and 2) was not in effect in 1969.

That is one of the main reasons that Israel has no bearing on a thread about IRAN's intransigence.

Since your own history education is sorely lacking, perhaps you could brush up on that, or maybe start studying some legal theory?

Originally posted by milominderbinder


It was the Royal Order of the Hospitallers & Xcathdra that kept pounding Israel INTO the equation because "Iran is threatening Israel!!!"

Dont forget the Grand Poobah,and the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes Lodge No. 26.........



We are offended you didn't name us!

Lets Cut to The Chase---There are Unregistered "Foreign Agents" working the "Stop Iran" issues in the USA.

Ever wonder why these few Zionist Foreign Agents here support "Stop Iran" and sound just like AIPAC's and the Mossad's rhetoric? Mostly because they are likely unregistered foregin agents working that project for Zionist Israel. imho

So, it should be well and good to bring up both the Israeli roles on this thread and the Israeli polictics of foreign agents attempting to foist their "Stop Iran" politically contrived non-sense into this thread.

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www.youtube.com...

An AIPAC Policy Conference panel titled "Stopping Iran" had some unexpected speakers: activists with Occupy AIPAC


The full People's Microphone inside the panel said:
"Mic check!
Ros-Lehtinen is pushing war
based on lies.
We are the 99%
Wars benefit the 1%
Don't bomb Iran!
Diplomacy not bombs.
AIPAC supports endless war.
We support peace.
Occupy Wall Street not Iran.
Occupy Wall Street not Palestine.
No war on Iran."

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www.haaretz.com...

Netanyahu in AIPAC speech: Israel cannot afford to wait much longer on Iran
Israel's prime minister warns of the dangers of a nuclear Iran, which he says will provide a 'nuclear umbrella' to terrorists; in earlier meeting, New York Times reports Obama said talk of war is increasing oil prices.

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www.israelnationalnews.com...

Meanwhile, Channel 2 reported that senior Obama administration officials are convinced an Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear program would "cause a conflagration" in the Middle East.

It was also reported US intelligence officials believe Israeli leaders have already decided to attack Iran, barring significant change in Iran's nuclear posture in the coming weeks or months.


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Israel walks alone and does not have the US support to start yet another Middle East war and expect the Americans to pay trillions of dollars and cause the US to fall. Let WWIII start and end on the backs of those so close to Satan, The Evil Zionists, who want the US to fail. imho

If there is to be a war, the Christians will stand and watch as Satan becomes suicidal, and Israel shall fall, as it tells in Revelations. imho

AIPAC, the Mossad, and the Zionists also hate Christian and Revelations, which means they hate the US and its Constitution, as well.


Yeah, though we walk thru the valley of the shadow of death, we shall fear no evil.

Originally posted by milominderbinder


You notice how nobody wants to "talk about Israel" anymore ever since I provided the link to the CIA report that shows that Israel did the same damn thing in 1969 that Iran is doing today...only to have us respond by REWARDING Israel for their non-compliance?

How long do you think it will take before anybody admits that they didn't really understand the history of the region.

It is obvious as to the corrupt people on this thread that can't admit the truth of the matters without committing suicide, so they tell bigger lies and more attempts to mislead. It only exposes them more. imho

The Pro-Israel AIPAC gang on here is going to do what they do best, attempt to confuse the issues and not play by any rules but their own. Blatant lies are their biggest game.

What should one expect from the AIPAC Foreign Agents, but to try to say it is only about Iran and their devisive attempts to try to "Pump Up the Volume" on only the Iran false issues, not proven, nor likely ever be true.

They don't represent the US high level thinking on Diplomacy, nor Sanctions, nor non-support of being baited as the US was with Iraq, nor the huge "Day After" costs of what will be WWIII. Only the evil satanic Israelis want the US to start WWIII and sit back and watch as the Mason Albert Pike game to have the Islams kill the Christians start and it will basically destroy the US and 2/3s of the world with nuclear war.


The AIPAC gang here seeks never to admit just how corrupted their religious values from the Babylon Talmud really are and they'll try to avoid any admissions there or even admitting the history is true. It is what one expects from the corrupted religion, just a pattern of more lies to attempt to confuse the issue. They know the real history and their game is to never allow that real history to be widely known as it will remove the vails of the truth from the Christian Masses and awaken a "Sleeping Giant" that will set their Giant Christian foot against the lies of corrupt religion and against the evil ways and wars of Zionist Israel. imho

They really have trouble with the truths of old religion, which is how one spots AIPAC and Mossad agent agendas. Such evil designs are easily exposed.

Ah yeas, the Giant continues to wake. What will the shallow little foreign agents do


www.independent.co.uk...

Occupy activists fear that America's pro-Israeli lobbyists want a war

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a powerful tax exempt lobby that provides campaign finance in return for promotion of what it deems Israel's interests, pushed for a war in the Middle East in 2003. Activists with the Occupy movement, along with many others, are convinced that it now means to push for another. In the central Washington DC square leading to the conference, they have constructed mock- checkpoints and wear pink IDF uniforms with plastic guns, obliging the sharply-dressed AIPAC delegates to walk through.

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The conviction that the older generation of peace activists still nurses is, in effect, that American democracy does what it says on the tin: that if enough activists make their feelings about war with Iran clear, lawmakers half a mile away on Capitol Hill will simply take notice. The language of Occupy, however, is replete with the conviction that the “1%” - of which AIPAC are certainly members - could not care less about the democratic process. Amidst the litany of complaints, the call for direct action is becoming lost, and direct action is what Occupy has always been best at. As one speaker from Syria put it, those who will suffer at home and abroad in the event of war could do with “a little less kum-by-yah and a lot more kung-fu.”

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And the waking process for the Giant of Christianty continues as they find Christ was hi-jacked, part with Constantine's Pagan Sun Worship and part with Judeo-Christian ditching of the Essene Sect of Judaism that didn't care for Pagan Babylon Talmud corruption of religion.

Now, Christians wake to the truth that Crosses are more symbolic for Tammuz. That Sunday was for Pagan Sun Worship of Constantine, That the Trinity was the evil concept from Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tammuz. That Easter is more about the Semiramis Istar Egg, Tammuz rabbits, and paganism than about Jesus theme. That December 25 was Nimrod's Birthday and not Jesus'. I suspect the Christians will have a right to be mad about having been mislead into the evils of old corrupt religion, which the Jewish Babylon Talmud is all about also.

Obama and Israel had a little talk on Purim, and the Book of Esther. Appears the White House might be learning religion better than AIPAC chaos designers.

Darrrn, looks like an IAEA invitation to look again. What will the war mongers do with Iran IAEA cooperation. High explosive shape charges are the inner workings of most HX penetration weapons, so HX test sites should not be considered too unusual:

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uk.reuters.com...

Iran to allow IAEA visit Parchin military site - ISNA

IAEA inspectors did in fact visit Parchin in 2005 but did not see the place where the U.N. watchdog now believes the explosives chamber was built.

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AND imho----Pre-emptive strikes need to be called "War Crimes"...


www.independent.co.uk...

Netanyahu: Israel has right to pre-emptive attack on Iran

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One can certainly doubt the sanity of the Zionist leadership that appears to suggest the US should have bombed Auschwitz and killed the Concentration Camp people with bombs.

Seems these Israelis have no common sense and wanted the Jewish to die from Bombing. imho

Looks to be wholesale Zionist insanity to suggest the US should have bombed the Jewish in work camps and killed them all. Guess the Zionist formula would suggest the US bomb the Jewish communities in Iran also.

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www.telegraph.co.uk...

'2012 is not 1944': Netanyahu invokes Auschwitz in warning to Obama over Iran

Benjamin Netanyahu has invoked the US refusal to bomb Auschwitz, the Nazi death camp, in 1944 as he issued a warning to Barack Obama that Israel cannot "afford to wait much longer" before striking against Iran's nuclear facilities.

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Mr Netanyahu drew comparisons with America's unwillingness to bomb the Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz.

Brandishing a copy of a 1944 letter from the US Department of War, he recounted how the Allies had refrained from attacking the camp out of fear it might provoke "even more vindictive action" from the Germans.

"My friends, 2012 is not 1944... Never again," he cried, repeating one of the founding slogans of Israel to a roaring standing ovation from the audience.

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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by milominderbinder

You notice how nobody wants to "talk about Israel" anymore ever since I provided the link to the CIA report that shows that Israel did the same damn thing in 1969 that Iran is doing today...only to have us respond by REWARDING Israel for their non-compliance?

How long do you think it will take before anybody admits that they didn't really understand the history of the region.

You have so far provided no such link, and in fact CAN not, since there is no possible way for Israel to have violated a treaty that 1) they never signed, and 2) was not in effect in 1969.

That is one of the main reasons that Israel has no bearing on a thread about IRAN's intransigence.

Since your own history education is sorely lacking, perhaps you could brush up on that, or maybe start studying some legal theory?

Wait a second...Israel get's a "pass" for NOT signing the NPT treaty? Then this is super-easy to resolve without going to war.

Why don't we just let Iran right out of the NPT treaty because they changed their mind? If the most important and relevant part of compliance with the NPT treaty has more to do with the technical legality of who signed it rather than the intent of keeping the number of nukes down (especially in the Middle East) then essentially you are saying that the only mistake that Iran made in this matter is to cooperate in the first place, right?

I mean...if they would have been a completely unreasonable, non-cooperative, fascist regime occupying their neighbors land unlawfully for forty years or so and NEVER signed the treaty...you would have no problem with them having nukes, correct?

I guess somebody should let Iran know that cooperation, diplomacy, and negotiation will only put them at a military disadvantage with their neighbors.

Oh...wait....they already know that. That's what this whole thing is about.
Once again...you've completely proved my point better than I could ever have dreamed of.

Thanks!

Originally posted by milominderbinder

Wait a second...Israel get's a "pass" for NOT signing the NPT treaty? Then this is super-easy to resolve without going to war.

Why don't we just let Iran right out of the NPT treaty because they changed their mind? If the most important and relevant part of compliance with the NPT treaty has more to do with the technical legality of who signed it rather than the intent of keeping the number of nukes down (especially in the Middle East) then essentially you are saying that the only mistake that Iran made in this matter is to cooperate in the first place, right?

I've already made that suggestion in this thread - we've waited long enough for them to pull out of the treaty, and at this point they should be KICKED out of the NPT. Problem solved. The mistake was not them "cooperating in the first place", it is them AGREEING to cooperate, then failing to do so - no, not just "failing", but willfully REFUSING to. THAT is the problem.

I mean...if they would have been a completely unreasonable, non-cooperative, fascist regime occupying their neighbors land unlawfully for forty years or so and NEVER signed the treaty...you would have no problem with them having nukes, correct?

I would have a problem with any state fitting that description having nukes, treaty or not. thankfully, none do, so that straw man is moot.

Catch-phrase much?

I guess somebody should let Iran know that cooperation, diplomacy, and negotiation will only put them at a military disadvantage with their neighbors.

They're smart enough to know that already. that's probably why they don't partake.

Once again...you've completely proved my point better than I could ever have dreamed of.

Thanks!

how so? Just saying it doesn't make it true, and you have utterly failed to prove the assertion. I think perhaps your downfall was use of catch-phrases to try provoking an emotional response rather than a rational one.

You might look in to trying to avoid that sort of thing.

Originally posted by MagnumOpus

Originally posted by milominderbinder


You notice how nobody wants to "talk about Israel" anymore ever since I provided the link to the CIA report that shows that Israel did the same damn thing in 1969 that Iran is doing today...only to have us respond by REWARDING Israel for their non-compliance?

How long do you think it will take before anybody admits that they didn't really understand the history of the region.

It is obvious as to the corrupt people on this thread that can't admit the truth of the matters without committing suicide, so they tell bigger lies and more attempts to mislead. It only exposes them more. imho

The Pro-Israel AIPAC gang on here is going to do what they do best, attempt to confuse the issues and not play by any rules but their own. Blatant lies are their biggest game.

What should one expect from the AIPAC Foreign Agents, but to try to say it is only about Iran and their devisive attempts to try to "Pump Up the Volume" on only the Iran false issues, not proven, nor likely ever be true.

They don't represent the US high level thinking on Diplomacy, nor Sanctions, nor non-support of being baited as the US was with Iraq, nor the huge "Day After" costs of what will be WWIII. Only the evil satanic Israelis want the US to start WWIII and sit back and watch as the Mason Albert Pike game to have the Islams kill the Christians start and it will basically destroy the US and 2/3s of the world with nuclear war.


The AIPAC gang here seeks never to admit just how corrupted their religious values from the Babylon Talmud really are and they'll try to avoid any admissions there or even admitting the history is true. It is what one expects from the corrupted religion, just a pattern of more lies to attempt to confuse the issue. They know the real history and their game is to never allow that real history to be widely known as it will remove the vails of the truth from the Christian Masses and awaken a "Sleeping Giant" that will set their Giant Christian foot against the lies of corrupt religion and against the evil ways and wars of Zionist Israel. imho

They really have trouble with the truths of old religion, which is how one spots AIPAC and Mossad agent agendas. Such evil designs are easily exposed.

edit on 6-3-2012 by MagnumOpus because: The godless few of the End Times of Armageddon exposed

I know. I love how the "it's only about Iran logic" refuses to even consider the possibility that ANOTHER military action on an already strained military and economy might be just what the other 3.5 nuclear-capable countries that hate us are waiting for (i.e. Russia, China, N.Korea and sometimes Pakistan). I mean...if you were going to take on a giant like the US...would you rather do it by yourself when the military is fresh or after we are already war-weary and broke.

Nope. It's "only about Iran"...because that's how dumb America is.

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It would have been too cool if you would have been able to steer at lest one of those posts to somewhere near the topic. Instead, you chose to rant about "dem jeeeeews".

Pity, that.

We all know that you can't read even the IAEA article, let alone make other relevant associations. imho

Too bad the world doesn't revolve around just your AIPAC oriented views. The news media speaks to both sides of the issues on Iran, and so does most everyone, but you.

It is important to see the Putin insights on what is happening, and watching the whole Middle East Mess being created. But this time not with media the buy-in that happened with Iraq. The title Stop Iran figures into this thread's title and to AIPAC, doesn't it.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by milominderbinder

Wait a second...Israel get's a "pass" for NOT signing the NPT treaty? Then this is super-easy to resolve without going to war.

Why don't we just let Iran right out of the NPT treaty because they changed their mind? If the most important and relevant part of compliance with the NPT treaty has more to do with the technical legality of who signed it rather than the intent of keeping the number of nukes down (especially in the Middle East) then essentially you are saying that the only mistake that Iran made in this matter is to cooperate in the first place, right?

I've already made that suggestion in this thread - we've waited long enough for them to pull out of the treaty, and at this point they should be KICKED out of the NPT. Problem solved. The mistake was not them "cooperating in the first place", it is them AGREEING to cooperate, then failing to do so - no, not just "failing", but willfully REFUSING to. THAT is the problem.

I mean...if they would have been a completely unreasonable, non-cooperative, fascist regime occupying their neighbors land unlawfully for forty years or so and NEVER signed the treaty...you would have no problem with them having nukes, correct?

I would have a problem with any state fitting that description having nukes, treaty or not. thankfully, none do, so that straw man is moot.

Catch-phrase much?

I guess somebody should let Iran know that cooperation, diplomacy, and negotiation will only put them at a military disadvantage with their neighbors.

They're smart enough to know that already. that's probably why they don't partake.

Once again...you've completely proved my point better than I could ever have dreamed of.

Thanks!

how so? Just saying it doesn't make it true, and you have utterly failed to prove the assertion. I think perhaps your downfall was use of catch-phrases to try provoking an emotional response rather than a rational one.

You might look in to trying to avoid that sort of thing.

Ok...so you want to get into a full blown war where hundreds of thousands of people (if not MILLIONS) will be slaughtered because Iran should have backed OUT of the treaty instead of being in full compliance and responding as any rational (as in Game Theory) player would respond given the US's track record in the Middle East in the last 10 years.

Mathematically speaking...our actions show that EVEN IF Iran gets a great big "thumbs up" from the UN weapons inspectors...we will still topple the Iranian government (for the third time in 59 years) and bomb them into oblivion anyways.

By the way...wasn't I the one about 15 or 20 pages back that pointed out you had quite a tendency to speak in panic-inducing and unwarranted pro-Israeli "soundbites"? Good job coming back with the thinly-veiled carbon copy of "catch-phrase" criticism. Had I recently suffered traumatic brain injury or suffered from Alzheimers I might not have ever noticed.

You must be Baby Boomer. The only people I've ever encountered who typically have such a propensity towards willful ignorance have always been the garden variety American Baby-Boomer.

Heavy on ideals, violence, myopia and undeserved self-righteousness...light on pragmatism.

Whatever, dude.

I'm done with you.

That is a wise choice, as it is clear his game is political chicanery. imho

Save lots of ATS Bandwidth and boring copy and paste run-ons.

Talk about all the Iran News and even the new IAEA offereings. Things of real substance.


The real issues is Iran is going to be treated like a Russian Satellite State, and Russia likely already has their defensive RADAR working along with Tactical Nukes in Iran. And like the Russians did in Cuba, they wore plain clothes so as to not be noticed.

In addition to China, Looks like even the nuclear state of Pakistan is good pals with Iran:

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www.opinion-maker.org...

The leadership on either side must remain steadfast to withstand this pressure. Since People of Pakistan, stand with the courageous people of Iran in this time of difficulties, therefore, the leadership should exploit this opportunity and assure Iran for any support against any foreign aggression by an external power.

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Everyone needs to be fully cognizant of what is happening, and not goaded into a narrow minded view promoting a huge war that the US can't win.

Originally posted by MagnumOpus
We all know that you can't read even the IAEA article, let alone make other relevant associations. imho

Too bad the world doesn't revolve around just your AIPAC oriented views. The news media speaks to both sides of the issues on Iran, and so does most everyone, but you.

It is important to see the Putin insights on what is happening, and watching the whole Middle East Mess being created. But this time not with media the buy-in that happened with Iraq. The title Stop Iran figures into this thread's title and to AIPAC, doesn't it.

edit on 6-3-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Satan came to call imho

Fair enough. If you can't manage to get anywhere near the topic, and have to go off on rants about "dem jeeeews" and AIPAC and the like to try hiding that fact, then I guess we're done here.

If I wanted to discuss Israel, I'd be in the anti-Israeli threads.There are plenty of them to choose from.

Originally posted by milominderbinder

Ok...so you want to get into a full blown war where hundreds of thousands of people (if not MILLIONS) will be slaughtered because Iran should have backed OUT of the treaty instead of being in full compliance and responding as any rational (as in Game Theory) player would respond given the US's track record in the Middle East in the last 10 years.

I do? That's news to me. Can you point to the post where I said that? I can point to the post where I said "throw them out of the treaty, ring them with ABMs, and blow any outgoing nukes up over their own territory - otherwise leave 'em be to do as they want within their own borders."

I can't imagine why that would be a problem for you - unless, of course, you really DO believe they are pursuing nukes. If they don't launch one, there's nothing to blow up over their territory. Problem solved.

Mathematically speaking...our actions show that EVEN IF Iran gets a great big "thumbs up" from the UN weapons inspectors...we will still topple the Iranian government (for the third time in 59 years) and bomb them into oblivion anyways.

That's not math, that's opinion - and a pretty slanted one at that.

By the way...wasn't I the one about 15 or 20 pages back that pointed out you had quite a tendency to speak in panic-inducing and unwarranted pro-Israeli "soundbites"? Good job coming back with the thinly-veiled carbon copy of "catch-phrase" criticism. Had I recently suffered traumatic brain injury or suffered from Alzheimers I might not have ever noticed.

Yes, you made that accusation at me, but utterly failed to present even a hint of evidence to back your allegation up.

I know an emotional appeal by catch phrase when I see one. That's why I pointed them out. It's time to educate a whole new generation in spotting propaganda. I'm doing my part.

You must be Baby Boomer. The only people I've ever encountered who typically have such a propensity towards willful ignorance have always been the garden variety American Baby-Boomer.

That's because we were thrashing around the world and seeing for ourselves how it really worked, back before you were even a gleam in your mother's eye. Now we get to sit on our laurels, and your generation thinks you get to start out sitting on them, and rule by assumption rather than investigation up close and personal.

You think you can "know" without ever "seeing", simply because someone, somewhere, hands you a "fact sheet" that bears what they would LIKE to be fact rather than what is real on the ground.

It's fairly obvious that we have different notions of what constitutes "willful ignorance".

Heavy on ideals, violence, myopia and undeserved self-righteousness...light on pragmatism.

Whatever, dude.

I'm done with you.

I'll just bet you are! Happens a lot when folks get in out of their depth.



If it will make you peddle your propaganda elsewhere, I'll take that parting shot as a hit, and tell you to have a good day, and good riddance!

Your problem is most of us are all over the Iran issues, full spectrum looking. You're narrow spectrum, lacking of cognizant factors that all need to consider.

So, this doesn't fit your game plan to sucker in the US to blow up Iran.

We all know Who your Daddy is, and it isn't the American People. imho

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No.

Your problem is that I pin you down to the cognizant factors, and won't allow the smoke screens and diversions you try to put out in order to hide the relevant points.

To that end, you squirm and writhe and try to discuss ANYTHING other than the topic, and the relevant factors of it. You lack focus if the facts are inconvenient to your argument, and start talking "full spectrum" tripe in order to justify that lack of focus - or more properly in order to attempt to shift focus to anything as long as it doesn't involve a discussion of relevant fact.

Relevant fact: your big bad boogey man Israel doesn't make nuclear decisions for Iran, nor does it make the Iranian decisions to violate treaties.

That's all Iran, and that's the topic of the thread.

IRAN isn't spelled I-S-R-A-E-L.

Have a nice day!

Not to worry. You tried the divide and conquor method on the topic of Iran. Didn't work.

Others will see the broader theme, so it won't work anywhere soon enough.

The Sleeping Giant will continue to wake up. Israel must walk alone into armageddon. imho

And the News continues to point to what is behind the Stop Iran game on the US:

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www.fff.org...

No to AIPAC, No to Israel, and No to War

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www.realzionistnews.com...

HOLOCAUST HYPE is now being used by Jewry’s chief warmonger, Benjamin Netanyahu, in order to conscript the world into the Jewish malice toward Iran.

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zen-haven.dk...

Anti-Zionist Jews to Protest Zionist Purim Provocation

It has come to our attention that on Sunday, March 20 at 12:00, in front of the Iranian UN Mission at 633 Third Avenue, corner of 40th Street in Manhattan, certain rabble-rousers plan to hold a Megillah reading with the purpose of insulting the Iranian president and heating up tensions. Authentic Jews will be there to register their protest against these troublemakers, as well as express their pain and sorrow at this insulting and provocative behavior, which is a part of an approach that can have catastrophic consequences.

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