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Let's Cut to the Chase - Iran Must Be Stopped

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posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 03:42 PM
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The Iranians don't even need nukes, as the Russians likely have theirs in place all around Iran by now. The Iranians are not going to nuke Israel, but the Russians and the Chinese won't have any problems laying waste to all the nuclear weapons and military sites in Israel, will sink their entire Navy and demolish their entire airforce, and take out their major cities. The Russians have seen these Zionist type problems before and Putin won't even blink to take the Zionists out, as they invented the term pogrom.




posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by MagnumOpus
 


Your thoughts on Parchin?

Any reason you aren't commenting on Iran being caught cleaning the site up?

Or is that too on topic for you?



Iran quit their nuke bomb interests in 2003. Parchin is a straw dog these days.

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National Intelligence Estimates, whose preparation is the responsibility of the Director of National Intelligence, Lieutenant General James Clapper, of the Air Force, are especially sensitive, because the analysts who prepare them have access to top-secret communications intercepts as well as the testimony of foreign scientists and intelligence officials, among others, who have been enlisted by the C.I.A. and its military counterpart, the Defense Intelligence Agency. In mid-February, Clapper’s office provided the House and Senate intelligence committees with an update to the N.I.E. on the Iranian nuclear-weapons program. The previous assessment, issued in 2007, created consternation and anger inside the Bush Administration and in Congress by concluding, “with high confidence,” that Iran had halted a nascent nuclear-weapons program in 2003.

Read more www.newyorker.com...

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The IAEA ran around Parchin, took samples in 2005, and didn't find anything of any significance. The place is a weapons design center for rockets and HX explosives, so any countries national security might not want the IAEA poking into their non-nuclear interests.

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Iran has been suspected of using a facility at Parchin to conduct research on explosives that can be used in a nuclear weapon device.[45] Generally, Iran uses the large military-run Parchin complex for research and production of military hardware, including rockets and high explosives.[46] Iran repeatedly denied the IAEA access to the facility at Parchin to investigate potential nuclear weapons program activity. Late in 2004, U.S. Ambassador to the Conference on Disarmament Jackie Sanders noted Iran’s noncompliance with IAEA safeguards in refusing to allow the IAEA unrestricted access to Parchin.[47]

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Nearly one year later, Iran granted IAEA inspectors limited access to the Parchin facility. As the Institute for Science and International Security noted, even though the inspectors did not notice “unusual activities” or detect nuclear material at the buildings to which they had selective access, “suspicions about the Parchin site persist and more inspections are warranted.”[48] For example, a U.S. State Department official confirmed reporting that IAEA inspectors spotted a high-speed camera – which can be used to monitor experimentation with high explosives suitable for use in a nuclear weapon device – at the Parchin complex.[49]



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There is nothing to explosive lense construction for spherical compression wave nuclear lenses, and good computer modeling simulate those well. They don't really need a test chamber to design a nuclear lense system. Los Alamos did lots of theirs out in the Canyons and didn't need any test chambers.

Sure, Parchin is into military explosives and rockets. They'll have HX signatures all over the place and if they got into the DU penetrators, they'll have that too. And it would be nonsense to connect those works with a nuclear bomb. One has to find 18 pt spherical shape charges in existance to claim they have these for bombs, and I doubt they have these. They also have to find some hydrogen thyratrons laying around, plus some exploding wire detonation systems capable of doing < 10 ns timing for explosive lenses.

Fast cameras don't mean much, as rockets and other shape charge methods use those also. There is not a conventional shape charge design center around that doesn't use a fast camera to watch the inversion of a copper slug into a plasma like jet of copper to cut into tank armour.

Iran doesn't really need to make their own bomb, when they have all of Russia's backing them.


Iran appears to be doing a lot of nuclear sciences, and there are so many ways to use those peacefully that it is impossible to count. They'll likely want a HEU reactor some day to do high intensity neutron studies on materials. Advanced science methods do lots of studies using nuclear techniques. Uranium bombs are rather simple and not every useful for the bang. Plutonium is the way to go to get into boosed fusion core designs and fusion based H-bombs with the megaton class, and I doubt they'll get into those as those signatures will show up on the other side of the planet.

I really doubt that Iran wants to get into a nuclear arms race, when Russia is their ally.






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posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by nusnus
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Hmm..I wonder if you've actually thought about this from Iran's point of view.

If they nuke Israel, all those Palestinians they've been supporting are going to die as well. The area we're talking about is so small to begin with, no amount of calculation can stop the collateral damage of the people they are trying to free. So to nuke Israel, or to even attempt to destroy it, cannot be done with guns and missiles. This would cause so many Muslims and Arabs to die in the process, the whole effort would be in vain.

You still think Iran would do this? That they would destroy the very people they're trying to protect along side the people they want gone? And the land completely and utterly barren with nuclear waste?

If you people think this is possible, then you my friend are even more evil than Iranians themselves.


There is no love lost between the Iranians and the Palestinians. In the early days certainly there were ties, but those have long since been broken, unless it is mutually beneficial. Same with Israel, The Iranians and Israelis will and do, do business together, when it suits them, but no love lost, and no deviation from the ultimate goal. Israel is completely on the back foot on this one. As is Palestine.



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by Biliverdin

It is not so much that, it is quite simply pointless when the key players are excluded from the table.


Who do you think are the key players being excluded from the table?




It matters very little whether the rulers are of your own ethnicity or of another.


I did not mention ethnicity, I said "foreign". I don't think in terms of ethnicity, more in terms of nationality. The American government is not my ethnicity, but they are my nationality.



The US afterall is a Heinz 57 variety of races and creeds. One is as good as any other in the long run, if they are all tyrants. If rule can only be maintained by the successive suppression of rights, the removal of personal freedoms, does it really matter who it is that is doing the ruling?


Yes. Foreigners have no stake in local matters. That makes them more likely to "rule with an iron fist", since they have nothing to lose.



The aim should always be to govern the rulers, and to ensure that rights are protected, defended and fought for, and never ceded once they have been won. They should never, ever be taken for granted.


Rights are not "won" they simply are. You are right, however, in your assertion that they must occasionally be defended.



The people, whoever rules them, will only, in such cases, comply with an overthrow, if those liberties are preserved or bettered, as is exampled, numerous times, historically. Taking over any country without gaining the compliance of the people is futile, as is equally demonstrated, more recently. Hearts and minds wins everytime, over might without right.


From what I've seen, most people don't give flying flip for liberty. One does have to have the compliance of the populace for a takeover, but that compliance can be gained many ways, and as history also shows, most of them are not pleasant, and have nothing at all to do with liberty.

I don't advocate taking over any one else's country, but it happens all the time, and no one asked for my input into it.

In those things which I AM willing to fight for, you can win their hearts and minds all you please. I'm going to burn their damned huts down so that they have something to do to keep them busy rebuilding, off my back and out of my country.

That policy wouldn't come into effect regard Iran until and unless they launched outside their own country. What they do internally doesn't concern me. Once they go external, though, I'd give them something at home to keep them occupied there.

I didn't say that I advocated building empires, just that they are going to be built, no matter what I, or you, think about it. The only choice we really have is which would-be Emperor to throw in with. So do you prefer an Emperor that builds Republics, or one that builds Theocracies?



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by hmdphantom
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Islam doesn't allow us to have Imperialism which sucks the blood of both it's own and foreign people.

Just and option.


Semantics. You can call it whatever you like, but Islam has built several empires, from the Caliphates to the Ottomans. At one time the Islamic Empire stretched from India to al-Andalus, known as "Spain" to westerners - and the people who live there.

I know that there are still some hard-line Muslims who chafe to reconquer al-Andalus, because it was once Islamic, and as far as they are concerned it is now foreign occupied Islamic territory.

The battle of Tours wasn't fought against "peaceful Muslims" who were just passing through - they were there for conquest, and that was in the heart of what is now France. Vlad Tsepes fought muslims in Romania, and they didn't come for the coffee - they had dreams of conquest as well.

Islam can be just as imperialistic as any other system, whether they are "allowed" to be or not.



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 05:34 PM
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Double Post.

Grrrrr.....





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posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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Iran will not nuke the entirety of Israel - ever. It's not because they give a rat's ass about Palestinians, it's because "Palestine" and in particular al-Quds or Jerusalem, is sacred to Islam as well. Jerusalem is second only to Mecca in Islamic theology. That would be like Catholics waking up one morning and nuking the Vatican. If Iran decimated Israel/Palestine, they would immediately come under fire not just from "the west", but from the rest of the Islamic world as well.

I don't think there is much that would stop them from surgically cratering Tel Aviv, though.



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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The issues of Empires and Theocracies is a little deeper than you would like to explore.

Empires stem from exploitation of the peoples, and the methods of Babylon and Usury is one biggy method. Those methods need to be blocked by everyone being wise to where that leads.

Theorcracies not based upon Satan's values tend not to exploit their peoples. And the issue of the US religions have become so corrupted that they don't represent the issues of the Essene and Jesus, and are the Babylon values assigned to Satan by Islam.

The Essene and Jesus were after removing the Babylon Talmud problems. The Islams are about removing the Babylon Talmud problems and the issues of Usury.


It is possible to meet perfectly in the middle, if the pious elements of Christian religion are returned to the issues of the Essene and Jesus and the elimination of the Babylon Talmud's exploitation. Socialism's big issue is prevention of Empires and avoiding the concentration of wealth other than for all the people, as in no exploitation, no empires, and no usury. The founding fathers of the US saw this similarly as their intentions was for the Govt. of the People to have control over money, and not the capitalistic methods designed for empire and taking away the collective wealth of the people.

Even the Islamic issue of God is more pious than that used by the Zionists and the corrupted version of Jesus used by the Christian Churches.

When one digs deeply into why the US is considered the Great Satan, one finds the US religion is highly off the mark of being turthful, and it was corrupted to support Empire. Remove that corruption and east meets west and we find the end of wars.


edit on 9-3-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Eliminate the private control over money and return it to the people



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Semantics. You can call it whatever you like, but Islam has built several empires, from the Caliphates to the Ottomans.


They were all Sunni Empires and those former Iranian Shiat shahs where nothing but hungry for power.

Shiat doesn't seek power for greed , but power for serving. (even though some people are greedy here)




I know that there are still some hard-line Muslims who chafe to reconquer al-Andalus, because it was once Islamic, and as far as they are concerned it is now foreign occupied Islamic territory.


I haven't seen any one. That is like what Zionists do. Nothing less.



Islam can be just as imperialistic as any other system, whether they are "allowed" to be or not.


100%. That is why we are referring to Imams who were not men of power , but men of serving.

I know what you are trying to say. But there is a sect and those who were thinking Imams were hungry for power made that sect.( you may know about them)



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 05:52 PM
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Sorry, bub. I've already been a Muslim. I'm not doing that again - ever - and especially not to meet anyone in the middle. They can meet me in the middle on our own terms - mine and theirs each to his own - or they can leave me be... or they can gird their loins for war. I'll not submit to anything just to keep the peace.

Islam doesn't mean "meet me in the middle", Islam means "submission".

I will never again submit, whether that refusal kills me or not. Meet me as an equal, either for peace or for war (I prefer for peace, but si vis pacem, parabellum), but never expect me to submit just to keep your brand of "peace".







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posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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I'm content to let you believe as you will. I have no stake in the Sunni/Shia rift, and so will not argue that. You are lot closer to that problem than I am, and it's not my fight.

I will say that in the power for greed/ power to serve debate, it's my opinion that the best way to serve me is to let me exercise my own power over myself, and they can keep power to serve within themselves and their own umma. In the same way, Iran should be able to do whatever they like as long as it's not harmful to any external people.

It's been some time since I've encountered anyone who wanted to reconquer al-Andalus. I heard a lot of it around the time of the Madrid bombings as an excuse, but not much since. It seems to have gone back underground, but I have no doubt that it still exists in some places and pockets. Muslims have a long memory. Bring up the Crusades of a thousand years ago in a coffee house in Damascus, and you'll still hear people talking about it like it was just last Tuesday.

Yes, I am aware of the sect to which you refer, but this is probably not the right place to discuss it.



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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Well Bubba, Nobody said you had to become Muslum. Muslums are generally happy when the people follow Allah and not Satan. Allah pretty well fits the I am that I am issue well.

Jesus and the Essene's values and defintions matched that for Allah. So, they get along and the Islams consider Jesus as a great prophet. Even the issues of the Islamic messiah and that for Jesus as the Messiah match up pretty well. Trying to make Jesus into god is back to the Satan values of Numrod, and they don't buy that.

It might even be able to get the Islams to stop going overboard on gays, if they learn the sexual maturity issues are highly affected by fluoride levels in the environment in the formative sex hormone years. One thing they learned in the nuclear weapons programs was that fluoride was connected with the old issues of Moses special powers of the Ark. All the uranium projects were based on fluorine chemistry and the Jewish scientists appear to have thought their old god of the covenant gave them this uranium bomb god.

Oh course, all the Islams that got into this old uranium chemistry and discovered that the fluorides issues matched all the stories on Moses and his Ark, then the Islams were none to happy it appears. Fluoridation in the US is about Submission, and you submit to that brain numbing method every day, and Islam would consider that evil incarnate.

If you ever get past Bubba logic and Bubba educational levels you might be able to have learned the serious issues that stemmed from the US bomb efforts that used the old Jewish god of the covenant to make the new nuclear fireball god that was named for the Trinity and burning people to death.

Islam appears to have a religion based ban on making this Jewish Bomb god, and consider trying to do that as Satan's ways.



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by MagnumOpus

Jesus and the Essene's values and defintions matched that for Allah.


I don't care, not even a tiny bit, what cult you choose to follow.



So, they get along and the Islams consider Jesus as a great prophet.


I am well aware of what "the Islams" (I take it you mean Muslims?) consider Jesus to be.

And what they don't.

That's not my concern - it's THEIR religion. None of my concern.



Even the issues of the Islamic messiah and that for Jesus as the Messiah match up pretty well.


No, they don't.



Trying to make Jesus into god is back to the Satan values of Numrod, and they don't buy that.


Again, I don't care, not even a wee bit, what cult you choose to follow.



It might even be able to get the Islams to stop going overboard on gays, if they learn the sexual maturity issues are highly affected by fluoride levels in the environment in the formative sex hormone years. One thing they learned in the nuclear weapons programs was that fluoride was connected with the old issues of Moses special powers of the Ark. All the uranium projects were based on fluorine chemistry and the Jewish scientists appear to have thought their old god of the covenant gave them this uranium bomb god.


Don't know a hell of a lot about "the Islams", do you? Or Moses or Jews, either, for that matter. maybe a little time spent reviewing those subject, and less worshipping at your cult altar would do you good, but do as you will.



Fluoridation in the US is about Submission, and you submit to that brain numbing method every day, and Islam would consider that evil incarnate.


No, I don't... I really don't. You can drink fluoride if you want to, but there is no reason I have to.



If you ever get past Bubba logic and Bubba educational levels you might be able to have learned the serious issues that stemmed from the US bomb efforts that used the old Jewish god of the covenant to make the new nuclear fireball god that was named for the Trinity and burning people to death.

Islam appears to have a religion based ban on making this Jewish Bomb god, and consider trying to do that as Satan's ways.


Did you just say that, bub? Really? You mentioned my "lack of education" and then went off on a rant about bombs, and Jews, and nuclear gods?

And you question MY education? For the last time, I don't really care what sort of odd cult you follow - but trying to pass it off as "education" is a bit of a stretch.

Especially when you do it in rants like that...



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 08:27 PM
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You got into "Bub", so I gave you "Bubba".

This little statement is attributed to you: "Sorry, bub. I've already been a Muslim."

Looks like Ollie's Son gets it, and you might not ever get it. Some are talented and gifted and others, well, Not.

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He told Page Six: “I’ve already experienced the reverse of anti-Semitism, having people within the film industry express a reluctance to work with me now that I have said a simple prayer, ‘There is no God but God, and Mohammed is his messenger.’ I am sure I have [bleeped] off some powerful people.” Speaking over dinner at Barrio 47, Sean told us, “Having read the Koran and having been around the Islamic culture, especially in Iran, I do believe that Mohammed is a prophet of the same god worshipped by other religions.

“I am of a Jewish bloodline, a baptized Christian who accepts Christ’s teachings, the Jewish Old Testament and the Holy Koran. I believe there is one God, whether called Allah or Jehovah or whatever you wish to name him. He creates all peoples and religions. I consider myself a Jewish Christian Muslim.

“What I am trying to do is open up a dialogue about religion. There is such Islamophobia in the West. Islam is not a religion of violence any more than Judaism or Christianity is.”

He said his dad welcomed the move.

“My dad said, ‘Allah be with you.’ My father understands that I am trying to bridge certain gaps and bring about peace.”

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So, in the issue of Iran------if this deal with Sean Stone catches some wind----we'll be sailing round the world.


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posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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What are you on about?

So in your world view in order to be smart or "talented and gifted", I must be Muslim rather than an apostate?

Is there some particular reason I should care about your assessment of my intellect?

Is there some particular reason I should care about Oliver Stone's personal choices, let alone his son's?

Is there some particular reason I should care about your fixation on dead Sumerian gods?

And my leaving of Islam has what to do with Iran?






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posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 09:50 PM
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If cutting to the chase is what this thread is all about regarding the boogy man acting out from Iran against Israel then it must be known that It is a given that wars and rumors of wars will continue. However, I am not worried that Israel might somehow disappear because of big bad Iran. Iran has cursed Israel, they will in turn then be cursed. Israel will be severely wounded, but Iran will be desimated. Iran would not be so bold in it's open hostility if Iran did not have the bully Russia as it's friend, with it's thousands of nuke missles pointing at the US. Russia's and Iran's militaries will be destroyed on the mountains of Israel and they will be buried there. The US during the Gog / Maggog invasion of Israel will not be Israel's protector. Almighty God will protect His people the Jews.
Read Ezekiel 38 and 39 and see for yourself the coming destruction of Israel's enemies. Israel has seen alot of trouble throughout these thousands of years as has all of mankind, but through it all God has brought His people through. And, even in the time in which we live Israel will be saved.
The Word of God has shown in advance what is about to happen at the end of this age and that which is after. For those who have chosen Jesus Christ, God's Son to be their Lord and Savior, the Word of God declares that God has not given us the spirit of fear. Fear not that Israel might be destroyed.
The God who saved Israel from Pharoah's wrath in Egypt, the God who parted the sea and saved Israel but destroyed Pharoah, the God who promised the land of Israel too Israel is not only able but He is also willing to save His people of promise.
My advise! Get ready to see God act in behalf of His chosen! God is God and God can do what God wants to do.



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 11:37 PM
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Well this was an obvious reason that didn't need stating. But lo and behold, someone actually thinks here
star for you lol



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 12:47 AM
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I think a lot of people lose sight of the importance of that strip of land to Islam, so it may have needed stating as a reminder. There isn't much chance of Iran turning Israel into a nuclear wasteland, because of that, but there isn't anything to keep them from turning limited areas - such as Tel Aviv - into glowing craters.

Most people who hear "NUKES!" think large multimegaton mushroom clouds, but startup nuclear powers usually have very small nukes (North Korea's test nuke was less than 1 kiloton). Sure, even small nukes kill folks and blow stuff up, but they have a very limited damage potential compared with what most folks think of. The US Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were around 11 kilotons and 19 kilotons, respectively, and while the destructive area LOOKED pretty spectacular, it wasn't very big. A mile or mile and a half away from ground zero there was hardly any damage at all. There were buildings still standing at ground zero, directly under the bomb burst, at Hiroshima.

Most current strategic nukes are 100 to 300 kilotons, not even in the megaton range. tactical nukes, making up the bulk of that oft-bandied about "20,000 warheads" figure, run around 1 kiloton (1/10 to 1/20 of the WW II nukes). laypeople think "flattened buildings for 40 miles!" when the reality is much less spectacular. 1 kiloton will toss stuff around for about 500 meters. Beyond that you have a bigger chance of flash blindness than you have of breaking a nail from the blast.

The reality is what war planners work with, however. It's entirely possible that Iran could use nukes in the 1 to 10 kiloton range as "negotiation tools" to hold an entire nation hostage with very little actual danger of destruction.

Since there are so many in this thread who want to harp on Israel, we can use it as an example. As small as Israel is, they could still obliterate the seat of government in Tel Aviv, and a breeze wouldn't even be felt in Jerusalem. Depending on the delivery method, they could even do it without raising any appreciable fallout at all, thus saving the land for the Palestinians while throwing the entire nation into disarray and panic because of "NUKES!".

That's why Israel seems so worried about it - not that the land will be obliterated, but because their nation could be destroyed as a political entity WITHOUT the concurrent obliteration of the land. They know too that Iran wouldn't dare to obliterate the land and raise clouds of fallout.

In other words, they could "destroy the zionist entity" handily WITHOUT "Wiping Israel off the map", they know that, and that's what their rhetoric aims at - all the while people here are arguing over who said what and which speech was "mistranslated".

Personally, I could give a crap about Israel. If Iran gets nukes and meets with any degree of success in ONE negotiation using the threat of nukes for leverage, you can bet your fanny they won't stop at that one negotiation table. Israel would just be a roadbump on their way to the great Satan.

Or maybe several Great Satans.

That's why I think they ought to have as many nukes as they want - put one in every basement of Iran for all I care - but as soon as one leaves their borders bound for ANYWHERE they need a object lesson as a reminder of what nukes can and can't do. The nukes are not the danger - the THREAT of nukes is.




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posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu


Personally, I could give a crap about Israel. If Iran gets nukes and meets with any degree of success in ONE negotiation using the threat of nukes for leverage, you can bet your fanny they won't stop at that one negotiation table. Israel would just be a roadbump on their way to the great Satan.

Or maybe several Great Satans.

That's why I think they ought to have as many nukes as they want - put one in every basement of Iran for all I care - but as soon as one leaves their borders bound for ANYWHERE they need a object lesson as a reminder of what nukes can and can't do. The nukes are not the danger - the THREAT of nukes is.



Highlighted for common sense....



And of course,the reality of it all. EVERYTHING you said,is on point. Thats why its laughable when people say ANYONE who wishes for Iran to be stopped has an agenda. it really is COMMON SENSE.



posted on Mar, 10 2012 @ 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

That's why I think they ought to have as many nukes as they want - put one in every basement of Iran for all I care - but as soon as one leaves their borders bound for ANYWHERE they need a object lesson as a reminder of what nukes can and can't do. The nukes are not the danger - the THREAT of nukes is.




Ah, Nenothtu prescribes Iran can have defensive nuclear weapons.

Iran won't be the ones to go nuclear, it will be an attack on Iran that will provoke a nuclear defense by their allies against the Iran aggressors.

It appears the Christian values of Putin match up well with the Islamic countries of Syria and Iran, and their common enemy is the Great Satan, which means those that exploit others using usury and such to gain empire and not a society based upon equality toward all.

Generally, sorting out the differences comes down to the Babylon issue, Jesus, Islam, Russia, China calls that the Great Evil of money and empire. The US, Britain, Zionism all think the Babylon methods are their goal and need continual expansion using the faked up values of Christianty made to become Nimrod.

All the noise on attacking Iran is about is Empire methods going after society based on equality, and that movement hates the truth on the Essene and Jesus also disliked the Babylon methods of Zionism.




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