Originally posted by redoubt
Originally posted by elpistolero1
Zionists and war apologists must be erased form the face of the world
Translated: Jews and Jew-lovers must be exterminated.
Sorry. I hate word games.
We get it, most you people don't care if Iran has a nuclear weapon. Probably because your sitting in a posh flat and know even if they have a nuclear weapon you personally would not be affected. Your personal views are that Israel is the cause of all the problems.
Do you really think arming the middle east with more nuclear weapons is a good idea? Israel just wants to be left alone now.
The only ally America has and the only middle eastern country with a democracy is Israel. Even if Israel was gone from the map these islamic countries would still be fighting each other over the shiite and sunni issue. Israel is the only non-islamic country in the area, they are surrounded by Islamic dictatorships that hate them, want them dead, and want the land.
Iran is making a nuclear weapon and will use it. There is no conspiracy there.
There is no military in the midde east that can defeat Israel in war. That is the only thing keeping them alive. Israel has proven they are mature enough to have nuclear weapons.
Originally posted by seabag
I have always been against Iran acquiring nuclear weapons but I hoped this could be achieved through peaceful means. However, the more news I read about Iran’s intentions and the more I watch the leaders of Iran thumb their noses at our peaceful attempts at nonproliferation the more at ease I am with backing an Israeli strike to remove Iran’s weapons and regime.
Iran openly and continuously proclaims its intentions to annihilate the Jews yet people still deny this truth:
Just read the words of Alireza Forghani, a former Iranian governor and close ally of the regime.
In the name of Allah Iran must attack Israel...
Today, the first Qibla of the Muslims has been occupied by Israel, a cancerous tumor for the Middle East. Today, Israel is causing division using all evil means. Every Muslim is obliged to equip themselves against Israel. ... and since the potential danger is facing the foundations of Islam, it is necessary for the Islamic governments in particular and other Muslims in general to remove this corrupting material by any means. All our troubles are due to Israel! And Israel results from America too.
The leaders of Iran continue to spew propaganda to the people of Iran and anyone who will listen. They have been beating the drums of war as leaders from around the world have tried to resolve the issues peacefully. Iranian leaders have been publicly justifying their intent to destroy Israel and people still dismiss it as harmless or try to justify this rhetoric.
The Iranian government, through a website proxy, has laid out the legal and religious justification for the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its people.
The doctrine includes wiping out Israeli assets and Jewish people worldwide.
Calling Israel a danger to Islam, the conservative website Alef, with ties to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the opportunity must not be lost to remove “this corrupting material. It is a ‘jurisprudential justification” to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.”
The article, written by Alireza Forghani, a conservative analyst and a strategy specialist in Khamenei’s camp, now is being run on most state-owned conservative sites, including the Revolutionary Guards’ Fars News Agency, showing that the regime endorses this doctrine.
Personally, I am tired of the debate. I’m tired of defending my position of keeping Iran nuke free. I’m also tired of the complete lack of logic from so many here defending Iran by pointing at US actions as justification for Iran obtaining nukes. Anyone still claiming Iran is a peaceful nation is either ignorant or dishonest IMO. My disgust with Iran's cheerleaders is best summed up like this…
I do not expect those who have chosen evil to understand, but again, if they had any dignity, if they had respect for humanity, then they would not support a regime that stones women to death, a regime that rapes and tortures Iranian boys and girls to suppress their desire for freedom, a regime that chops off hands and feet in punishment for stealing, a regime that lashes Iranians as punishment for not adhering to Islamic rules and savagely attacks anyone opposing it. This is a regime that is at the helm of worldwide terrorism in which many of its officials are wanted either by Interpol or courts around the world for terrorist acts and assassinations.
How is anyone to reason with THIS:
The time has come for Israel to take care of these sick leaders in Iran and prevent the rise of Islamic fundamentalists.
What say you?edit on 23-2-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by FlyersFan
Let's cut to the chase ... if anyone is going to stop Iran from becoming a nuclear power, it should be Saudi Arabia. It's not our job to police up every rouge nutter country on the planet. Let Iran's neighbors take care of Iran. The Saudis have the manpower, the money, and they are living right next door.
I don’t care who does it, I just think it needs to happen sooner rather than later. If Israel (or anyone in the region) chooses to attack Iran I believe they are fully justified based on Iran's actions.
Seabag.Still beating your pro war drums? Kill or be killed mentality? Rick Santorum must be getting to you.There's a bogey man muslim under everyone's beds.
You are relentless in your pro military preaching .War and killing is the only solution. You always keep pushing your "Isreal must be wiped of the face of the earth" argument. It's so ridiculous.
What is your interest in Isreal anyways?
What scares you the most? Isreal has more nukes and missles to take care of herself in any situation. Iran has nothing. Give me a break. You come across as being very insecure, or very gullible.
Here's what works and has worked in the past without having to bomb the hell out of a sovereign country. I believe in sanctions and careful watching of certain muslim and non muslim countries.I believe in the sovereignty of all countries whether we like them or not . I believe the time has come for Isreal to take care of her own interests. I believe America needs to clean up her own back yard before she tries to go clean up others. I believe in defense spending not war profiteering. Why the big rush to go to war ?
War is money.Pure and simple. All the other factors are purely fiction and drama meant to create some level of justification for the further killing of fellow human beings. I just don't get why you think your purpose is to be here and try and convince others that war in any form is a justifiable solution to any conflict. I don't get it. People like you scare me more than some muslim living six thousand miles away.
Peaceful attempts at non-proliferation? Seriously? Are you bloody kidding me? You call the assassination of Iran's top nuclear physicists peaceful? My god if everyone thinks like you we are in for a world of trouble. You need to wake the hell up, my friend.
So in your mind there is no justifiable war, huh? Got it! People like you allowed Hitler to rise to power! Nice work!!