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Let's Cut to the Chase - Iran Must Be Stopped

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posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:00 PM
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I wish we could downflag threads like this that bring no value, but instill more fear into the populace.

We are already on our knees and are barely surviving living in fear of losing our houses and having enough to eat for our families. I feel like I am consumed with fear and America has now become the fear state of the world. Can we quit worrying about foreign policy, we need to focus on what we could be spending the money it would take to bomb Iran and rebuild after we bomb them. We need to take that money and build our infrastructure.

Take the money that we would use on a new war and spend it on high speed rails across the whole US.

Take the money and spend it on R&D for technology that helps humanity, not destroys it!

It is up to us to make the change and to break free of the fear! Be the change we want to see!


I can see you’re very new to ATS so let me give you some advice, professor. If you’re going to respond to the OP (Original Post) then you should counter the material and sources posted in the OP with your own material and sources rather than just stating you don’t ‘agree’ with it. Otherwise, you have no argument and I have nothing to refute but your lack of substance!

Welcome aboard!




posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by sageofmonticello
 


If they’re still spreading hate and strengthening their arsenal then they obviously haven’t been stopped.

Blaming America?
Can’t you do better than that?

Threatened for 30 years?? If Israel or US wanted Iran gone for 30 years Iran would have been gone 30 years ago. You know you’re being intellectually dishonest with that argument, sir.

1. Iran is no threat lol. They can barely try to get the nuke without the whole world suppressing and declaring sanctions against them.

2. Iran is especially no threat to the US. We have them Surrounded. They know it's suicide if they harm us in any way and if they tried to send a missile across the ocean and into DC, we would surely see it coming.

3. There's something called Problem-Reaction-Solution/Reason. Israel has been trying to find a reason to attack Iran for a while now for zionist and NWO reasons..
-They've been attacking them covertly-sending assassins to kill their scientists, hoping that Iran would throw the first stone and then Israel would be justified in declaring war...
-They've been falsely blaming them in taking part in ridiculous terror attacks in order to stir up tension...
-They've LIED about Iran's intentions especially with their nuclear program...

4. Israel is MORE than capable of handling Iran on its own. It secretly has been funded by the US for decades, and now has very powerful military might. The relationship between them and the 'owners' of our country is much closer than you think (alot of research you need to do bro). How else do you explain a country that was established only 65 years ago grow so powerful so fast that it's really on the 'superpower' level right now. There's a lot of history involved.

We all know 9/11 was a scam, so why did we go to Afghanistan? There's no Bin laden. And then we went to Iraq? then Lebanon? Why are we aiding and promoting in the self-destruction and destabilization of Israel's neighbor territories such as Jordan, Turkey, Egypt, Libya, and now Iran and Syria?? There is a large and hidden agenda behind this. Ok now I'm going off topic...



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:04 PM
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Seabag stop spreading the Zionist propaganda. Has it ever dawned on you that maybe Israel wants to bring us down to their level?


If they brought us 'down to their level’ as you say then who would be left to prop them (and us) up?

They didn’t regain (and keep) their homeland on their own!



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:09 PM
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I totally agree with everything you have said here. I usually like to hear all sides of the debate , but there is nothing more to be said. Iran's leadrers have stated their intentions and the lovers of Iran's policies and defenders of their actions no longer have my ear. I see no reason in even replying to their insults or lack of knowledge on the situation. If you repeat the threats Iran's leaders have made, they act like your lying and I'm not going to waste my time having to go back through UN speeches to show them they are wrong. They need to spend the time checking these things out themselves. That's how I learned. So Iran lovers, go move to Iran and then email us and tell us how wonderful your life is. A little advise, make sure you know the way to the nearest bomb shelter.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by FlyersFan
 



Let's cut to the chase ... if anyone is going to stop Iran from becoming a nuclear power, it should be Saudi Arabia. It's not our job to police up every rouge nutter country on the planet. Let Iran's neighbors take care of Iran. The Saudis have the manpower, the money, and they are living right next door.


I don’t care who does it, I just think it needs to happen sooner rather than later. If Israel (or anyone in the region) chooses to attack Iran I believe they are fully justified based on Iran's actions.




ANY country trying to develop Nuclear weapons,when the world ALREADY has enough to destroy itself,many times over,needs to be stopped.

There is NO reason to have hidden facilitys,unless they are trying to hide the intentions of producing one.

PERIOD.


The world already had enough to do that when Israel who didn't sign the treaty unlike Iran who did get nukes so why didn't we stop Israel?

If my scientist were being murdered by Israel you can bet I would hide my facilities also. Why doesn't Israel open it's nuke program to inspection ? What are they trying to hide?



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:12 PM
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I totally agree with everything you have said here. I usually like to hear all sides of the debate , but there is nothing more to be said. Iran's leadrers have stated their intentions and the lovers of Iran's policies and defenders of their actions no longer have my ear.


I'm not saying that Iran didn't say those things, just that Israel isn't the lily white innocent that it pretends to be.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:14 PM
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That's what you hear because that's what you were looking for. Hitler was only a threat because he was made into one by the same masters of war that run your country now. I think you need to actually go to the library and do some research before you start a shouting match with someone who is obviously far better versed in world history than the likes of you. For 5 years I practically lived at my local library, so do not try to write me off as another disillusioned hopeful. Unlike most people on this site, I can actually admit that which I do not know, which is where this is all going, but I do know what led up to it. History constantly repeats itself because dimwits like you believe the words of the victor. History, as you probably didn't realise, is written by the victor, not the vanquished, regardless of who was right or wrong. As a matter of fact, whoever wins, usually claims that they held the moral high ground all along, but I say again: You cannot hold the moral high ground if you have never occupied it. Also, in case you missed that post, I am probably the only poster on this thread that has actually visited Iran, which makes my info far more credible than that which was translated and spouted forth my your propaganda machine.
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posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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I am not new to the site. This is my 2nd account on here. Kdial1 is my other account and I have been on here since 2007.

I am way more of a veteran than you, and I will not do research that you should have done in the first place before you posted this garbage.

I am a veteran of OEF and OIF. I have worked in the defense industry my whole adult life. I am 29 now. I have seen first hand how foreign policy works! I have lived in over 4 countries and worked in many more, I have learned the cultures of many nations. I think I am qualified to make statements here that add credible value to the discussion. Please get off your high horse and research. If you really want to know the truth go look it up, it is out there.... For now, until they censor the Internet. You are just spewing the Zionist propaganda that is coming from the news.
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posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:17 PM
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If my scientist were being murdered by Israel you can bet I would hide my facilities also. Why doesn't Israel open it's nuke program to inspection ? What are they trying to hide?


Clap clap clap. Israel hasn't ever admitted that it has nuclear weapons, even though every one knows they have them. It's even on wiki. What do they do with Vanunu for trying to expose Israels nuclear program?


Mordechai Vanunu (Hebrew: מרדכי ואנונו‎); (born 14 October 1954) is a former Israeli nuclear technician who, citing his opposition to weapons of mass destruction, revealed details of Israel's nuclear weapons program to the British press in 1986.[2][3] He was subsequently lured to Italy by a Mossad agent, where he was drugged and kidnapped by Israeli intelligence agents.[2] He was transported to Israel and ultimately convicted in a trial that was held behind closed doors.[2] Vanunu spent 18 years in prison, including more than 11 in solitary confinement. Released from prison in 2004, he became subject to a broad array of restrictions on his speech and movement. Since then he has been arrested several times for violations of those restrictions, including giving various interviews to foreign journalists and attempting to leave Israel.


en.wikipedia.org...

I say that if Israel is so gung ho about Iran's nuclear program they need to come clean about theirs to the world.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:17 PM
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Hooah brother. Finally someone else here who can (maybe) talk some sense into these deceived individuals.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:22 PM
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posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:22 PM
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Ol' Benjamin said Israel can defend themselves. And I say PROVE IT. Show the world what your made of. Israel is like having that friend who tries to act all hard, and tough when he is around the homies. Then when he is all alone, and about to get jumped, he goes back to cry to his homies, "hey dawg their some foos that are trying to get down wit me."! Then I'm sure you all know what happens next...

I'm sure we all experienced this kind of thing once before.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
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People that think like me will never have power, as I actually care about my fellow man. Nuclear weapons may be their only means of self defense. Tactically, they cannot hack it against the full brunt of the American military. Remember, while Colt made all men equal, Lockheed Martin made the US a god before which nations tremble. You really don't have a clue do you. We're on the wrong side of the line between good and bad. If you cannot accept that, then I suggest that you be first in line to enlist to go fight in the war that people like you just blindly accept. Put your money where your mouth is.


Actually I have a good clue.I have family that serve. But thats not the point. The point is:


Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
I say let Iran have nukes if it gives them a viable way of protecting themselves.


With your type of logic,lets have EVERY nation own Nuclear weapons,since America is warmongering again....



Do you really think SOMEONE wouldn't use them as an offensive weapon eventually?



YOU ARE NAIVE OR A FOOL.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by curedby432
You are just spewing the Zionist propaganda that is coming from the news.


Right on!

Since I'm loving and forgiving, I wouldn't wipe off Israel...but they deserve a choker.
Isreal IS the main problem in the middle east, Iran sure ain't pure but they have their reasons.

It's not like Iran did anything worthy of being attacked and if they do, 50% chances it's a false flag.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:29 PM
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And don't we all wish justice was done!



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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Well if you really are a veteran, I'm gonna have to assume that you were either a POG, or you were just another glorified police officer. If you had actually seen what shells and bullets do, your perspective would have been changed by it. Incoming artie has a funny way of rearranging your priorities. Also, in my service, I saw many things perpetrated in the name of my country that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, let alone some woman or child that just happened to be in the wrong place (like in a school) at the wrong time (like in the middle of the afternoon), and that had never wronged me or anyone in their communities, let alone all the way over the pond. These are people that are struggling to just get by, and you wanna bomb them because their leader is a big bad muslim? Grow up, buddy. Reenlist if you're so proud of what has been done in the name of democracy.
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posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:37 PM
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Interesting that one would support a war over a banner that even rabbis in Israel are agreeing with.

i don't know what all it says but the part that i can read appears to be correct in a lot of people eyes... including many jews. The state of Israel should be done away with.

It is being controlled by Zionists who won it right after WW2. All that was set up for that specific reason. Regular Jewish people were persecuted and murdered by the millions so that the allies would grant the nation of Israel.

Hitler was an egotistical puppet who sought advice from mystics about really important things because he was just that kind of dimwitted passionate tool. the very people who helped him get into power poured fuel on his fire and this should be evident by his level of paranoia late in his game. the people who put him into power wanted the war to A) eliminate a lot of people burdening the system and B) create quite a cause for the jewish people who were victimized by it, which served as their ticket in when they started sending them back to Israel. not only did jews go but all sorts of others as well including all sorts of spies and operatives.

they got exactly what they wanted in the name of retribution at the expense of actual jewish people and all the others who were fueled to fight the nazi's...as well as the nazi's.

If a leader says that this thing needs to be solved straight away by absolving the state of israel... how do you know he is not just tired of one of mankinds largest conspiracies?

LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE!

Really, of all places, why stick a bunch of wartorn refugees in a hostile area when there are plenty pf other places in the world to invest in some real estate for their cause. looking at this now... this had to be a complete farce.

that banner to me, just screams "I'm tired of the lies about this... aren't you?"

honestly i have no idea what the rest of it says but i really don't see why we are so far up irans butt right now.

someone told me that this leader clams he is to herald in Armageddon. if so, he's got war on the brain and needs to chill if that is the case but until this is confirmed to me... i just don't know. the media might have skewed that one around. i should look into that because i am not sure what to think about this either but those words alone.... Even Jewish people are protesting against the Zionists over the state of Israel. i saw it in a thread on this site and looked into it and sure enough.... this is not an isolated opinion. many people in that area say the same thing. it's not a religious war and somebody has been fueling this and painting it that way from the very beginning.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:38 PM
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Aaaaaaaand we all forget about how the CIA and other US interests helped prop this regime up in the first place.

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Sell them weapons, they use those weapons ,and then we kill them because they have weapons.

Yeah! Thatll show em!



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:38 PM
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The funny thing is that the DoD is wondering why servicemen are coming back with depression, anger, guilt and they lump it into a general category called PTSD. The true problem is that servicemen that go and serve see first hand what is happening.

When someone is raised with moral values and they go into a war zone and see children and civilians being victims of war all in the name of profit it conflicts with everything they have been raised to uphold as good. They begin questioning and sub consciously it destroys us and we get depression, anger and guilt AKA "PTSD"

We are the change people, if they continue this we will become defeated by the fear that is all around us.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 10:39 PM
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If Isreal wasn't standind there, "like grade schoolers" throwing gas on the fires...esp at or on areas in dispute "property boundries" backed by the USA, sticking their tongues out, basically yelling "nannner nanner poo poo" with the USA backing tem up this would not be an issue.....
This is all so childish....."my Dad's bigger than yours" type crap.
Sad that many will be hurt mangled and/or killed, and lets just hope the big "N" device stays outa this...

Go to a public elementary school, study bullying, tough kid actions.....see any similarities? SAD...very very SAD.

IMHO Isreal is playing the nice guy part...but is standing there sticking their tongues out....nanner nanner poo poo...while screaming Isreal is innocent.....




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