reply to post by seabag
I do believe sageofmonticello has spoken wisely.
You say we must stop Iran and prevent them from getting nukes & whatever else they may want to do - and I'll agree, insofar as I don't want them to do
But how do we stop them, even if their intent of action is confirmed (and not just desire expressed)? By embroiling ourselves in yet another war,
which we can by no means afford due to:
- our existing over-extension (also including elevated troop suicide levels and other related strains),
- our already being trillions of dollars in debt with a teetering economy,
- the seemingly-obvious results as results to fuel prices (affecting us on several levels here at home)
- the obvious-to-me fact that such will almost assuredly not work out for us as well as some of our other endeavors have, given their differences in
geography, size, and military capacity,
- their apparent near-alliance with & implied protection from Russia and China?
What of the resultant consequences from the Islamic world itself? If you think the US and Israel are hated targets now, what will the amplification
of such action result in, especially after adding on the additional strain to what I've already mentioned above?
Incidentally, could you clarify for me why Russia, China, and the rest of the world don't seem quite so crazed with fear on this matter as we do? Is
it perhaps that their perspective outside the US enables them to see our history and its current results with more clear eyes than we do, as well as
having a clearer view of the likely consequences of our actions on a global scale?
And despite the statements and blustering from Iran, I have yet to see an accounting for the testimony of the actual intelligence and oversight
agencies themselves, as we've discussed elsewhere. Yes, we know Iran (and most of the arab/muslim world in general) hates the political nation of
Israel, but that doesn't change the fact that the experts I'm aware of, at least, continue to say Iran as a total political entity IS acting
rationally and will likely continue to do so, is mainly seeking deterrent capacity as per North Korea's example if they ARE seeking nukes - which
SECDEF, NIEs, IAEA and Israeli intelligence community are not even willing to commit to claiming they are, and is not en existential threat to Israel
You speak of them thumbing their noses at us, but it seems like every week I see a new news article discussing Iran's renewed calls for talks and
inspections, as well as the statement yesterday by Khomeini that Iran is not now and never will pursue nuclear weapons (which to me seems honest as
there is no reason he should be under the mistaken impression our politicians - in spite of their intelligence sources - here and in Israel will
believe it anyway).
And as mentioned - Iran is encircled by US military assets and allies. If they choose to make the first move, or any noticeable overtures at such, I
doubt Russia and China would seem so protective, and Iran likely wouldn't last long against likely responses from Israel and ourselves - if they made
ANY nuclear moves, I don't doubt we'd see the sea of glass so many have spoken of in short order, and much less messy on our part than trying to go in
à la Iraq/Afghanistan.
Take care, friend.
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