It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
The proposed Iranian law would enshrine the mandatory death penalty into the country's civil code for men.
Women apostates would be imprisoned.
Two types of apostasy are set down in the legislation: parental and innate.
Innate apostates are those whose parents were Muslim, declared themselves as Muslim as an adult and then leave the faith.
Parental apostates are those whose parents were non-Muslims, who had become Muslims as adults, and then left the faith.
Article 225-7 states the “Punishment for an innate apostate is death,” while Article 225-8 allows a parental apostate three days to recant their apostasy.
If they continue in their unbelief, “the death penalty would be carried out.” Article 112 would give the law an extraterritorial jurisdiction, extending its mandate to cover those who renounce Islam both inside and outside Iran.
The law criminalizes heresy saying that anyone who claims to be a Prophet, or a Muslim who creates a sect based on that which is contrary to the obligations and necessities of Islam, is considered an apostate.
Wrong. Atheism is the default state. Believing in nonsense is the result of being brainwashed by the parents as a kid. If believing in ultimate authority is hardwired why does society try so hard to make us believe it?
But execution of apostates is not new in Islamic history, in fact it was born with Islam itself. Islam means surrender and when someone chooses or forced to surrender to Islam then he/she loses everything and there is no way back out.
Amil Imani put together a great collection of verses from Quran and Hadithes about punishment for apostates: Apostasy is defined both in the Quran as well as the Sharia and its punishment is clearly stipulated:
“Those who blasphemed and back away from the ways of Allah and die as blasphemers, Allah shall not forgive them.” [Qur'an 4:48] Islamic law does not allow the freedom to choose one's religion: “Let there be no compulsion in the religion: Clearly the Right Path (i.e. Islam) is distinct from the crooked path.” [Qur'an 2:256] The Quran also specifically addresses the issue of murtad milli: “But those who reject faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of faith, never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray.” [Qur'an 3:90]
The Hadith further restates the provision of the Quran regarding punishment of the apostate: “Kill whoever changes his religion.” __Sahih al-Bukhari 9:84:57 “The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshiped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims.”__ Sahih al-Bukhari 9:83:17
Ayatollah Khomeini in his speeches frequently used to threat apostates or people who ridicule mullahs with death penalty. He talked about apostates quite often. i. e. "Whoever insults Prophet, whoever insults sacred Imams, there is an obligation for Muslims to kill him"
"If anyone ridicules a mullah, he ridicules Islam. If he does it intentionally (he is sane, not crazy) then he is an innate apostate. His wife is forbidden to him. His possessions must also be given to heirs. He should be killed."
Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by Mister_Bit
You do understand that the Theocracy in Iran is a Dictatorship and the President is a figurehead correct? The citizens are prisoners to that Theocracy. It's not the people of Iran doing this.
They are not free. To turn a blind eye to evil is the same as being part of it. In Iran what they believe is forced on them under threat of death as this so clearly illustrates.
Speaking out against evil acts is not wrong. Trying to divert the argument by pretending it's about something else is very dishonest and revealing. A People living under a Theocratic Dictatorship have no choice.
He was arrested in October 2009 and a year later was sentenced to death for apostasy on a charge which has doubtful legality in the Iranian civil legal system, but which is underpinned by sharia law.
Pastor Nardarkhani pleaded not guilty, partially on the grounds that from puberty he was never a practising Muslim and thus had not renounced his faith.
But he has denied that Muhammad was the prophet of God.
Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by FlyersFan
What is even sadder is how the apologists here will simply remain silent.
All the worlds leaders, including Obama, should go on record condemning this action.
There is no gray area in this action. It makes it crystal clear what a world under that system would be like.
The fact this is so in our face public and not hidden from the world tells me, this is a message to the world.
The role of Supreme Leader in the constitution is based on the ideas of Ayatollah Khomeini, who positioned the leader at the top of Iran's political power structure.
The Supreme Leader, currently Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, appoints the head of the judiciary, six of the members of the powerful Guardian Council, the commanders of all the armed forces, Friday prayer leaders and the head of radio and TV. He also confirms the president's election. The Leader is chosen by the clerics who make up the Assembly of Experts.
Periodic tension between the office of the Leader and the office of the president has often been the source of political instability. It increased during former president reformist Mohammad Khatami's term in office - a reflection of the deeper tensions between religious rule and the democratic aspirations of many Iranians.
The president is elected for four years and can serve no more than two consecutive terms. The constitution describes him as the second-highest ranking official in the country. He is head of the executive branch of power and is responsible for ensuring the constitution is implemented.
Mr Ahmadinejad replaced reformist Mohammad Khatami who was elected president in May 1997 with nearly 70% of the vote. He failed to get key reforms through the Guardian Council and was hampered further after conservatives won back a majority in parliament in elections in 2004.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter
that didn't take long. ...
...FACT - The guy is getting killed by the Iranian government for simply being a Christian.
The group around the president is aiming for a large parliamentary faction that would help preserve the president’s vision in the coming period. They also hope to field a presidential candidate next year to follow in Ahmadinejad’s footsteps. Informed Iranian sources say that at least two issues about the presidential elections have been decided. First, after Ahmadinejad, no one from the school of thought to which he belongs will reach this post, which would also exclude Khamenei advisor Ali Akbar Velayati. Second, those candidates who lost to Ahmadinejad in the two previous election cycles are unlikely to win the presidency. This would therefore exclude Tehran’s mayor Mohammad Baqir Qalibaf and head of parliament Ali Larijani, who ran in 2005.
The current electoral map consists of three large lists that belong to the fundamentalists. The reform movement, for its part, is almost absent as it is divided between those calling for participation in the elections through regional lists and others who want to boycott the electoral process so as not to grant it popular legitimacy. According to informed Iranian sources, the fragmentation of the conservative camp is “due to the emergence of clear divisions between Ahmadinejad’s supporters and the group known as the ‘fundamentalists,’ who helped him become president.” The sources adds that these “divisions are a result of two things. The first is the president’s failure to immediately comply with the supreme leader’s request to dismiss his deputy Mashaei. And the second is Ahmadinejad’s refusal to attend Cabinet meetings for ten days in protest of Khamanei’s rejection of the president’s dismissal of the minister of intelligence, Heydar Moslehi.”