So do other gods exist?

Originally posted by chrismicha77
"Let US make man in OUR image." Genisis 1:26

The general says to his officers, "let us find some recruits who would fit into our squadron"

The Bible is explicit in the composition of heaven. So much so, people were becoming obsessed with memorizing the organization chart O_o. The people doing so were missing the most important part of the Bible however, the message.

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by vaelamin

 

I think the term God is used as a metaphor in this case. Many people can have many different Gods. If you bow down and worship an Elvis statue then that is essentialy your God, although not A God. God is saying not to worship anything other than him. Alcohol, drugs, pornography, and any other vice, addictive or not can be considered one's God if their life revolves around such things.

Metaphor could be possible but im confused as to why God would say these 2 things.

'And against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment.' (Exodus 12:12)

Why would the Lord waste his time bringing judgement to statues?

Thou shalt not revile the gods.' (Exodus 22:28)

Why would God make a law saying you should not verbally abuse an object?

Originally posted by vaelamin

...Would love some more thoughts on this. sorry for bad grammar. Post what you think.

Well if we where to find a planet that was the right distance from a star. Where the planet had solids, liquids and gasses. Let's say that we find a way to get to this planet and start creating simple life forms (provided it is uninhabited) and we created small animals, etc. Then we create a humanoid race using our own custom crafted dna. We could let them live like animals for a while, eating raw food, etc. Then perhaps allow them to "discover" fire, etc.

We could then give them a language and they would then call us Gods.

So ,yeah I think there are a lot of Gods, any of us today could be a God.

I think the story of Genesis is probably about the Gods that created a human race in the middle east, probably the Sumerians. But I think there have been many different early human projects. But I think it all happened using left over technology from the survivors or the super elite and their scientists from an earlier age before ours.
When these Gods began there hybrid project, they probably used "native" inhabitants. These inhabitants where the ancestors of the "Gods" that now where genetically modifying their future.

Originally posted by vaelamin
'And against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment.' (Exodus 12:12)

Why would the Lord waste his time bringing judgement to statues?

Remember Pharoahs were considered gods too.

reply to post by vaelamin


Old testament 'God'/'LORD' is merely an extra-terrestrial masquerading as THE 'God'. It seems there were many at that time and this particular one signed a treaty/alliance with the Israelites. Not only that but he helped David kill many of the Nephalim left in that area, with advanced technology that can easily be recognised if people only opened their eyes.

I just don't think this God was loving or benevolent at all. I just think he enjoyed having a group of humans completely devoted to him. I don't even think this 'God' was a high God.

reply to post by schuyler

OP asked a legit question and took his evidence right from the Bible, which uses "gods" as plural. Now you come on here and insist on your monotheistic point of view. If anything, THAT is trolling. You're not really dealing with the OP's legit question; you're just pushing your own religion.

First off when did i insist my POV was absolute?

Secondly... i answered the question from my POV, and did not expect anyone to agree with what i said, it was a statement... involving my belief.

Third, i have no religion...

Forth, i wasn't talking to you in the first place... but thanks for your reply.

And finally i was attempting to give my point of view on a serious matter... implying that God is on par with Santa Clause or the toothfairy is slightly insulting... and an obvious attempt at trolling this thread...

Anything else you'd like to add?

Originally posted by LightAssassin
Old testament 'God'/'LORD' is merely an extra-terrestrial masquerading as THE 'God'. It seems there were many at that time and this particular one signed a treaty/alliance with the Israelites. Not only that but he helped David kill many of the Nephalim left in that area, with advanced technology that can easily be recognised if people only opened their eyes.

I just don't think this God was loving or benevolent at all. I just think he enjoyed having a group of humans completely devoted to him. I don't even think this 'God' was a high God.

If one believes in the New Testament God then one would have to believe in the old because Jesus Christ said we are all to worship the God of Abraham and was the reason why he was sent to earth as the redeemer of our sins. After the resurrection, Christ said he'd be seated at the right hand of this same God. I'm unclear how a separation could then be made.

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by binkbonk
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Organized religion is a joke, what else do you expect. It's a fantasy for naive fools.

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Sadly the only thing thats worse then organized religion are those that make fun of believers without actually understanding it... I don't personally agree with organized religion either, but to make fun of something you don't understand is just arrogant

And just so you know, not everyone that understands religious texts is part of a religion.

To assume that I don't understand what I am making fun of is a display of arrogance on your part. It's fractal; religion is hypocritical and it's believers are hypocrites.

reply to post by saint4God


Oh you make a good point there. Didnt know Pharaohs thought of themselves as gods. but it would make sense. Caligula called himself a god many times.

Originally posted by vaelamin
Oh you make a good point there. Didnt know Pharaohs thought of themselves as gods. but it would make sense. Caligula called himself a god many times.

Ya, Roman emperors were considered gods too, but as I understand it, it wasn't always that way. I think they got the idea from Egypt along with a lot of other imported goods. The Roman Empire was unique for its time because it didn't seek to destroy all other cultures, but rather add the ones it liked to its own like Egyptian and Greek.

reply to post by Praetorius

U'm he started it... There are multiple gods, that are a part of the species that created the human race. You are reading the bible from the wrong perspective and applying magic and etherealism to flesh and blood creatures performing tasks that are bound by the laws of physics. You guys are wrong, but you are running around censuring with self assumed authority.

reply to post by saint4God


But one more thing that seems to confuse me about that saint is why would the Lord even bother calling a man a god? Unless god happend to just be mistranslated from another word for ruler.

Originally posted by binkbonk

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by binkbonk
reply to post by Akragon

 

Organized religion is a joke, what else do you expect. It's a fantasy for naive fools.

edit on 21-2-2012 by binkbonk because: (no reason given)

Sadly the only thing thats worse then organized religion are those that make fun of believers without actually understanding it... I don't personally agree with organized religion either, but to make fun of something you don't understand is just arrogant

And just so you know, not everyone that understands religious texts is part of a religion.

To assume that I don't understand what I am making fun of is a display of arrogance on your part. It's fractal; religion is hypocritical and it's believers are hypocrites.

Im just going by what i can see in your posts... making fun of something without adding anything relevant to the topic... its pretty safe to "assume" you don't understand or at least haven't read scripture from any religion... likely asside from what you might have been brought into as a child...

How exactly is believing in God hypocritical?



And yes.... i did start it

reply to post by binkbonk
This should be good.

Pray tell, how am I and my family hypocritical?

reply to post by saint4God


It's clear. It is a possible corruption of his words. I do not believe that Jesus represents this God. This God is CLEARLY not benevolent and only cared about the people of Israel, because of this alliance.

Now either Jesus does not represent this God or Jesus is ONLY speaking for the people of Israel when he was alive and preaching.

I fail to understand how people who read the bible think it pertains to the people of the whole planet when it is clear it is directed only at the people of Israel.

Originally posted by vaelamin
But one more thing that seems to confuse me about that saint is why would the Lord even bother calling a man a god? Unless god happend to just be mistranslated from another word for ruler.

I don't think it's a mistranslation since the word 'ruler' is in Genesis six times, let alone the rest of the Bible so it seems intentional to me. An interesting question, my best guess (and that's all it is) is because people weren't 'getting it' that he far exceeded their concept of god and rather than going for straight-out denial of their faith, perhaps he was trying to get them to comprehend greater. I think of it like this. If I were a farmer who got the chance to see Pharoh for the first time, I would say I'd be totally impressed! He commanded great power, build pyramids, statues, obelisks, had cool make-up, had servant, head-to-toe gilded in gold that shined like the sun as well has had the authority to command my death on the spot...to tell me there's something greater than that would be quite mind-blowing. If God said to me, "he's not a god", I might've said, "but he commands all men, clearly he is a god". Now I'd never want to get into the "no he isn't" "yes he is" bicker session with God, there are a number of times in both the Bible and modern times where we've argued these points with Him. If God just plucked Pharoah off of earth rather than teaching mankind, then it wouldn't take a whole lot of faith to believe in God. What I think God wanted more than anything at that time was our faith, trust and love. I don't believe that's changed since either.

Originally posted by binkbonk
reply to post by Praetorius

 

U'm he started it...

If you say so...but how does that make me naive and a fool, regardless?

There are multiple gods, that are a part of the species that created the human race.

I don't necessarily agree with the fullness of that statement, but I can get behind part of it. Regardless, it seems a bit presumptive on your part as well, and I would assume a good many non-believers would likely also call you yourself a naive fool for believing such.

You are reading the bible from the wrong perspective and applying magic and etherealism to flesh and blood creatures performing tasks that are bound by the laws of physics. You guys are wrong, but you are running around censuring with self assumed authority.

Working from the back here...who or what exactly am I or mine censuring, and on what perceived authority, exactly? You seem full of assumption, friend, about both my actions and my beliefs.

To clear up the first one, however, I tend to take a fairly unorthodox view on what I see as the truth in the bible - I don't merely cast it in light of some weird "spiritual" ephemeral mumbo-jumbo, I tend to see it as a matter of dimensions and the currently misunderstood...something akin to primitives who would call technology "magic" - or dismiss it outright and call it foolishness if they had not seen it with their own eyes.

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by saint4God

 

It's clear. It is a possible corruption of his words. I do not believe that Jesus represents this God. This God is CLEARLY not benevolent and only cared about the people of Israel, because of this alliance.

Now either Jesus does not represent this God...

Jesus says he represents this God many times and many ways, then God himself says, "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased." Luke 3:22, John 1:32

Originally posted by LightAssassin
or Jesus is ONLY speaking for the people of Israel when he was alive and preaching.

I fail to understand how people who read the bible think it pertains to the people of the whole planet when it is clear it is directed only at the people of Israel.

(Jesus being the 'You' here) "And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation." Revelation 5:9

"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands." Revelation 7:9

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by vaelamin

 

Old testament 'God'/'LORD' is merely an extra-terrestrial masquerading as THE 'God'. It seems there were many at that time and this particular one signed a treaty/alliance with the Israelites. Not only that but he helped David kill many of the Nephalim left in that area, with advanced technology that can easily be recognised if people only opened their eyes.

I just don't think this God was loving or benevolent at all. I just think he enjoyed having a group of humans completely devoted to him. I don't even think this 'God' was a high God.

Word!

reply to post by LightAssassin


you make a good point there considering

Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.” 23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” 24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” 25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said. 26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” 27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.” 28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

Reading this from mathews 15 it seems jesus was only sent here to help the israelites. But he helped the lady anyway because of her faith. Meaning He who loves anyone who believes but also makes me wonder why was he not sent to help anyone else?