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So do other gods exist?

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posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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Not to Offend on anyone but i found exodus to be very interesting. I just happened to come across it while trying to figure out why Other religions who worshiped other gods just all of a sudden stopped. So an exodus verse appeared on the search results and i started to read it more and more. Ive read exodus before but never thought much into it about that subject. Just thought they were idols.

Here are some of the scriptures.


And against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment.' (Exodus 12:12)

'Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods?' (Exodus 15:11)

'Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods.' (Exodus 18:11).

Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ... Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.' (Exodus
20:3, 5)

'He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.' (Exodus 22:20)

'Make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.' (Exodus 23:13)

'Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.' (Exodus 23:24)

'Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.' (Exodus 23:32)

'For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.' (Exodus 34:14)

Thou shalt not revile the gods.' (Exodus 22:28)-This one had me thinking. How can you revile(verbally abuse) something that isnt real?

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty, he judgeth among the gods.' (Psalm 82:1)-another thinker.

'Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord.' (Psalm 86:8)

'For the Lord ... is to be feared above all gods.' (Psalm 96:4)

'Worship him, all ye gods.' (Psalm 97:7)


Most people tell me that the gods are simply just idols. But Psalm 82:1 seems to refute that. Why would God who is all powerfull be having a congregation with a bunch of statues. especially considering in in the book of samuel it speaks of God Knocking down the statue of dagon because it wasent worthy to be in his presence.

In D&D lore(maybe other lores aswell) the only way for a god to die is for them to stop being worshipped. Isnt this technically what the catholic church did in 391AD(isnt that 1 of the supposed dates of when the alexandria library burned down?). Which according to the laws of the bible Would be very much not allowed judging by the fact that you simply reviling them would be a sin.

I also find it very strange how solomon apparently the wisest and one of the richest kings on earth also started to worship them. Wouldnt a great and wise king realise that worshipping an inanimate object is going to get you nowhere considering The lord gave him the gift of wisdom after he burned a thousand offerings. Seems kinda strange. But i have heard that alot of scriptures from the bible were taken out so who knows.


Would love some more thoughts on this. sorry for bad grammar. Post what you think.




posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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Just read something that this reminded me of. Jesus promised an end to wicked people. Thor promised an end to frost giants....nuf said.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:09 PM
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Personally i believe there is one true God... and many Entities masquerading as him...

As you can see within the pages of the bible, and many other religious texts as well




posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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There is a whole race of other 'gods', they are our creators. They are going to return soon and *snip* up!

 


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posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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I think the term God is used as a metaphor in this case. Many people can have many different Gods. If you bow down and worship an Elvis statue then that is essentialy your God, although not A God. God is saying not to worship anything other than him. Alcohol, drugs, pornography, and any other vice, addictive or not can be considered one's God if their life revolves around such things.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by binkbonk
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There is a whole race of other 'gods', they are our creators. They are going to return soon and fck sht up!


I know... Of course this is after pigs grow wings... and start flying around.

I can't wait!!




posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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There is only one God , who created the heavens , the universe, and the multi-verse



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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"Let US make man in OUR image." Genisis 1:26



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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No there's just one magical man floating around in the sky listening to every menial thought you have. He is great but requires the worship of us measly sinners... Ah, yeah, ok I get it.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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Definitions are necessary. God, as regards the bible, is just a word translated from el/elohim meaning "mighty one(s)" in hebrew.

According to the bible, at least - only one creator. Multiple 'gods', though - other superhuman beings that have been worshipped throughout history. The bible itself addresses a good lot of them: Dagon, Chemosh, Asherah, Baal, Beelzebub, Molech, and quite a few more. Some also worshipped by the Israelites at times, this being one of the big problems Solomon ran into due to his multiple foreign wives and the worship of their gods.

Just idols? No, not so much, but they did have them.
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posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by binkbonk
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No there's just one magical man floating around in the sky listening to every menial thought you have. He is great but requires the worship of us measly sinners... Ah, yeah, ok I get it.


Clearly you don't "get it" my friend...

God does not "require" anything from anyone... Its your choice to seek him...




posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by binkbonk
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No there's just one magical man floating around in the sky listening to every menial thought you have. He is great but requires the worship of us measly sinners... Ah, yeah, ok I get it.


Clearly you don't "get it" my friend...

God does not "require" anything from anyone... Its your choice to seek him...

No I do get it and I know where he is. He's hanging out at the Easter Bunny's house, with Santa Clause and Peter Pan.
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posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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I think we have enough comedians on these forums already bro...

Shooo trolly... off to the jokes forums with you..




posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:35 PM
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in the earlier versons of the bible god had a wife adams first bit of stuff was not eve a old saying goes football polotics & religion are for the feeble minded true so true lol



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by geobro
in the earlier versons of the bible god had a wife adams first bit of stuff was not eve a old saying goes football polotics & religion are for the feeble minded true so true lol

I'd love to see some sources on that, since it's not true as far as I'm aware.

There is some bit of extrabiblical reference or traditions as to Asherah - I believe - having been a female companion of "the LORD" (and jewish traditions about Lilith being kicked out of the garden for refusing to submit to Adam), but no "earlier versons (sic) of the bible".

Take care.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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Organized religion is a joke, what else do you expect. It's a fantasy for naive fools.


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posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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I'm not sure that Akragon subscribes to any organized faith as I do, but the implication seems to be that we're naive fools?

That seems to be an undue bit of assumption. Perhaps you should focus more on addressing the thread topic, or otherwise finding something else to do. You're going a bit afield here, friend.

We can otherwise leave your contribution at "No, in my humble opinion, no gods exist in the first place" without you having to offer up insults to a good many of your fellow ATS members.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by binkbonk
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Organized religion is a joke, what else do you expect. It's a fantasy for naive fools.


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Sadly the only thing thats worse then organized religion are those that make fun of believers without actually understanding it... I don't personally agree with organized religion either, but to make fun of something you don't understand is just arrogant

And just so you know, not everyone that understands religious texts is part of a religion.




posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by vaelamin
Not to Offend on anyone but i found exodus to be very interesting. I just happened to come across it while trying to figure out why Other religions who worshiped other gods just all of a sudden stopped. So an exodus verse appeared on the search results and i started to read it more and more. Ive read exodus before but never thought much into it about that subject. Just thought they were idols.


It's a good question to ask and don't see it offensive at all. "Do not treat prophecies with contempt but test them all; hold on to what is good, reject every kind of evil. " - 1 Thessalonians 5:20-22


Originally posted by vaelamin
Most people tell me that the gods are simply just idols. But Psalm 82:1 seems to refute that. Why would God who is all powerfull be having a congregation with a bunch of statues. especially considering in in the book of samuel it speaks of God Knocking down the statue of dagon because it wasent worthy to be in his presence.


As demonstrated in the Bible, God doesn't blast something immediately just because he disapproves. I can cite examples if you're interested.


Originally posted by vaelamin
In D&D lore(maybe other lores aswell) the only way for a god to die is for them to stop being worshipped. Isnt this technically what the catholic church did in 391AD(isnt that 1 of the supposed dates of when the alexandria library burned down?). Which according to the laws of the bible Would be very much not allowed judging by the fact that you simply reviling them would be a sin.


Keeping in mind that the Bible doesn't follow the red box edition of D&D, something else to consider about many of the ancient gods is they've taken different form. A golden calf may not be a calf, but I know plenty of modern day folk that worship gold...or money...or related greed for example.



Originally posted by vaelamin
I also find it very strange how solomon apparently the wisest and one of the richest kings on earth also started to worship them. Wouldnt a great and wise king realise that worshipping an inanimate object is going to get you nowhere considering The lord gave him the gift of wisdom after he burned a thousand offerings. Seems kinda strange.


It is strange, but illustrates the problem us people have. We often fall back into the same bad habits even though we know better. Some people relapse in overeating, alcohol addiction, drugs, etc., sometimes out of the influence of people around us, sometimes on our own desires.


Originally posted by vaelamin
But i have heard that alot of scriptures from the bible were taken out so who knows.


Although this is a different topic, it's good to question what was taken out and why. The main reason was because the sources couldn't be verified or cross referenced with other parts of the Bible. It was questionable, but is still available. Personally I don't see anything heretical out of what was removed, nor do I find it helpful, but again back to the topic.


Originally posted by vaelamin
Would love some more thoughts on this. sorry for bad grammar. Post what you think.


I think these are good questions and points from a thinker, someone who is awake. Feel free to message me if you'd like to continue any of the non-threaded topics or details.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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I think we have enough comedians on these forums already bro...

Shooo trolly... off to the jokes forums with you..


But, you see, from his point of view, you are the one who is joking. This guy is simply suggesting your idea of a God is on a par with a belief in Santa Claus, a fantasy perpetrated by parents onto their children. OP asked a legit question and took his evidence right from the Bible, which uses "gods" as plural. Now you come on here and insist on your monotheistic point of view. If anything, THAT is trolling. You're not really dealing with the OP's legit question; you're just pushing your own religion. If your answer to him is simply, "No." OK. I can accept that, but that is really all you have to contribute. thanks for playing. Other than quoting Bible verses, do you have anything to contribute that proves monotheism?

OP, you're begging the question, of course. No one has proven a singular god, much less many of them, but without judging that particular question, there is no reason to suppose there is only one god or one superior being with awesome powers. Indeed, as you have pointed out, there are numerous references to gods (plural) in the Bible, and also outside of it. In one archaeological find, there is even a reference to a wife of Jehovah.

Certainly monotheism is prevalent in both Western and Muslim countries, but it is not the only belief system out there and there is nothing to suggest one is superior to another.
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