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Originally posted by LrBc1275
From being in the military myself. First of all...I welcome you to try to spit on me. We will see how you make out with that...coward!. Secondly, I can't speak for all military persons but I think I can speak for a lot: we are not fighting for Bush, or Obama, or for oil fields or for global chess moves. We are fighting for ourselves...to get our ass home alive, and we are fighting for the guy next to us to make sure he makes it out so no friends death is on our hands.
Originally posted by LrBc1275
War sucks....but its a job you sign up for. Think about that next time you bitch and moan about the "private sector" or union pensions, or whatever else you complain about while you sit nice and safe. Why dont you put your aggression toward real problems and not people who are just trying to make a living.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by FortAnthem
I've said it many times. The way to end these wars of adventure is to send the politicians that start them to fight in those wars. This would bring an instant end to those wars.
I do not in any way blame the troops who enlist, because they think they are doing something noble, or they are enlisting because they can't get a JOB here in the US. When the politicians and the MSM stop encouraging those wars, they will end, and then perhaps, just perhaps, our military can do what the department that they are under, the DEFENSE department, is supposed to stand for- DEFENSE of our country.
Put them on the border to stop the drugs from flowing here, and put an end to the illegal entry of 15,000,000 people, who are putting a tremendous strain on state budgets.
Originally posted by SharpKnife
I am sick of tired of troop bashing. I am a veteran of OIF, and whenever I see things like this I just shake my head. I will say this, there were no WMD's found anywhere over there. OK, WE GET IT.
But, a country was freed from a tyrannical government in the process. They now have FREEDOM, that same thing you sit there and want so much from your govt but are to afraid to do anything about it except spout off on the internet like the internet version of Michael Moore. Women can now vote, something we take for granted in this country because it has been around a long time. Imagine living in America where such a simple thing as women voting is outlawed.
Despite your feelings and your theories and wherever you get your news from (apparently here), the people of Iraq do not all hate America. Actually the opposite, a large majority of the people of Iraq have no hateful feelings to the U.S despite the innocent casualites, they are a forgiving people, You forget the people of the middle east have been battling each other for centuries all the while gaining nothing in return. Not everyone in iraq is a America hating terrorist, most of them hate the taliban and just want to be free from their govt and enjoy the freedoms we have here, such as using the internet with no fear of prosecution.
You seem extremely sheltered and it seems like the world of ATS has seeped into every fabric of your being, for this I pity you. You obviously have no clue about the military or have ever spoken to a soldier face to face to see that we are not cold blooded killers, if you have ever left the safety of your doomsday shelter I'm betting you crossed paths with a soldier and never even knew it.
This is all I am going to say to you, and honestly I think I have said to much. I use to enjoy browsing the site, but the more and more I dig I see this site has no credibility seeing as how it is outnumbered with narrow minded, sheltered members like yourself. This site will no longer be on the list of sites I visit.
But in the end, I guess it takes all kinds.....
Originally posted by SharpKnife
This is all I am going to say to you, and honestly I think I have said to much. I use to enjoy browsing the site, but the more and more I dig I see this site has no credibility seeing as how it is outnumbered with narrow minded, sheltered members like yourself. This site will no longer be on the list of sites I visit.
Originally posted by biggmoneyme
the bottom line is that brave men know when to change. if my boss told me i had to go kill someone i'd quit my job. What is the difference? There are justifications behind this war, everyone in the army -whether aware of their actions or not, is a murder or an assistant to murder.
Originally posted by eriktheawful
What's more disturbing is seeing how well educated you think of yourself, yet watching you make many, many absurd assumptions.
I spent 10 years in the Navy. When I joined, we were at war with NO ONE.
Why did I join? I joined to learn advanced electronics. I joined to have a steady paycheck to support my family. I joined because my family would be taken care of, and would receive free medical care.
I also joined to go see the world. My father had been in for 30 years, and I got to live over seas in several different countries and thought it was pretty cool.
Then some thing happened. An idiot named Saddam decided to invade a small country called Kuwait, and my ship I was on was deployed to the Gulf.
Originally posted by zatara
It is really a stupid question but I ask it anyway.
Lets say, you have no job, no concrete prospect for the future, you need money and a roof above your head.
You know your government is occupied by money grabbing corrupt politicians and high ranking soldiers who have started an illegal war in order to have an excuse to take freedoms away from yourself, family and friends. they also use the opportunity to get rich quick once the country is conquered and do not give a darn about your hungry pennyless family to begin with.
You know you that the mission is to bring a country on its knees by force. There is the real chance you will die and most certainly will kill some poor basterd and cause a lot of missery for his family and friends.
I just read there is a waiting list but, would you join the army?
edit on 16/2/2012 by zatara because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by tangonine
Originally posted by CaticusMaximus
Originally posted by tangonine
"some are probably even pretty intelligent"
That bit right there is telling enough.
Its a logical statement. Would you say more than "some" are pretty intelligent, as in say the top 5% of the intelligence curve? I think you are still presuming I have some "animosity" for military personnel. I dont, as Ive explained.
Could you also answer my other question? I assume we are on the same page regarding the nebulous "it" since you didnt say I was wrong?
"So you know its wrong... but you do it anyway? Or do you and the others who sit the back room honestly believe you are fighting some good fight?
Some poster mentioned that RP has the majority of the military supporting him. Obviously, many of you know the war machine is wrong, and want it to end. Yet for some reason, you become a cog in it anyway, again, and again, and again?"edit on 2/16/2012 by CaticusMaximus because: (no reason given)
I disagree with your premise and your characterization of the military as "the war machine."
Few of you are intelligent, yet nonetheless you're a "cog" in the communist conspiracy to overthrow the foundation of the united states, so how do you like that?