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Originally posted by gabrielxxx
reply to post by alldaylong
Do you know they sunk the Belgrano outside the exclusion area that UK stablished before the war?
Very macho from the UK...
Originally posted by MrKipling
reply to post by gabrielxxx
we heard of a quite a few American mercenaries caught by 3 para who duly took them behind the nearest rock and double tapped them.
Originally posted by gabrielxxx
reply to post by MrKipling
How many wars the UK fight outside their land??? Cause your conuntry its england, not here in south america, not in spain, not in asia, not in afrika... All those places were invaded by your ppl killing a lot of ppl who was there first and you never ask them if they want to stay...
Originally posted by gabrielxxx
reply to post by MrKipling
What happened if argentina was the one who invaded London??? What would be your feels for the argentineans??? You will say "no, its ok, they invade us, they put his ppl here, and now we have to do what this new ppl want"?????? come on...
Originally posted by gabrielxxx
The island were occupied!!!
And you illegally take them in 1833..
Originally posted by gabrielxxx
Was my uncle and yes he was doing his job. And like i told before, after that he never sleeps good. Here are a lot of ppl talking about attack Argentina cause we want back the islands in a diplomatic way...
England is the one sending ships without any agrresion from Argentina...
Originally posted by gabrielxxx
reply to post by mr-lizard
yes i read it, but it's not all the true...
and get chill boy... no bomb will be drop on you, you dont need that mask... hehehe
Originally posted by oghamxx
The plot thickens!!! Found this oldie
Subject: HMS Invincible?
merman 2/20/2007 3:18:58 PM
Hello everyone! There's much controversy around what happened that 30 may 1982 during the Falkland War. Some say the Invincible was not attacked, that it was attacked but not damaged, attacked and damaged, while others go as far as to claim it was ultimately sunk. The thing is that there is supporting evidence to at least doubt in some way the official british version. For example, after the war all the Task Force returned to port but the Invincible, which remained at sea for two more months (?). It wasn't seen until august when it docked in the Falklands. It later returned to Portsmouth in mid September but (here another particularity) it looked brand new, instead of battle wary, like HMS Hermes looked upon returning (though it supposedly wasn't damaged during the conflict) There are a number of theories supporting each point of view, however I'd like to know what do you people think about this matter. I'll provide links shortly. Thanks
There seem to be some differencies between the Invincible that went to war...
Invincible...
And the one that came back in 17 September:
Illustrious?...
Such as the phalanx system that seems to appear in the photograph
Phalanx?...
Also, these pictures here show Hermes and Illustrious meeting in the South Atlantic in June-July. However the British government says Illustrious was in the UK on August.
Hermes and Illustrious...
You can see Hermes meeting another carrier in the South Atlantic that should not be there according to the british government.
Illustrious and Hermes...
The theory would be that the british government conceals the lose of the Invincible with its sister ship Illustrious until another carrier was built in secret.
I don't know if that is plausible but thats the idea. And believe it or not there are further discrepancies that took place those days that might allow people to think of this theory.
The first british announcement was on June 1 1982, when the Ministry of War announced that the Argentinean Air Force attacked the bulk of the Atlantic Conveyor, not the Invincible, and one of the attackers was shot down. But the attack on the Atlantic Conveyor took place on May 25 and far away from the attack on the 30.
The second british announcement dismissed the last stating that in actuallity the ship attacked was the Avenger and that this ship had downed two attackers with Sea Dart missiles. But this ship was not equipped with this system at that time.
A third version extracted from the book "The Battle for the Falklands" (or so I believe it is translated) by Hastings and Jenkins 1983 states this:
"On may 30 the battle group survived another air attack by Exocet, when the Avenger managed to shoot down the missile with a 4.5 inchs gun, 45 seconds after the alarm". There is no mention of other aircrafts attacking the Avenger.
The fourth version, and the official British version: two A4C were shot down with Sea Dart by HMS Exeter and a 4.5 inch gun from Avenger may have hit another. The Exocet missile could have impacted on the bulk of the Atlantic Conveyor or intercepted by the Avenger's anti-missile system, and the pilots may have mistaken the silhouete of the Atlantic Conveyor with that of the Invincible.
It's all too blurry to understand what happened that day and the english versions don't help much.
I for one, don't know what to believe.