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RUSSIA: Attack on Tehran is an Attack on Moscow

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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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I would not count on that. Two instances: 1) Beslan school seige 2) Theater mass hostage taking by Chechenya terrorists. In both of these instances Spetsnaz Alpha and other top Russian units were employed. End result, they could not pull something miraculous like in Hollywood movie. Worst, they seemed to have failed miserably with several hundred dead and injured.

If the elite of the apparatus perform so badly then I cannot imagine how they will fare when general population management is required in an emergency.

Although some would say that US failed badly in Katrina Storm but that was only one time bad show. Russian governmental agencies have failed time and time again, so there cannot be comparison with US or West.

Russia can ill afford a war with a major nation at this point of time. They will have to go nuclear extremely soon as their new defense doctrine mentions regarding using tactical nuclear weapons.




posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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They will need some days for Evac. of civilians.Then First strike could be carried out with minimal casulties.

MVD(interior police) and EMERCOM are totally different.Hostage situation was handled by MVD.

EMERCOM is much more efficient and civil defence drills are held in many cities of Russia every month.Russia has a horde of bunkers too.

new 5000 bunkers are being built in moscow



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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by blackmirage0311
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Know what's funny about that post?
That you think Pearl Harbor and 9/11 were surprise attacks. lolllllll



Pretty much every war we've been in has involved false flag operations.
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I don't deny that they US never organised a false flag but don't you think the character type is a little different and bolder than the rest of the newspaper?..like..its..put there after afterwards?Actually they put it over all the other texts...And yes there were signs and roosevelt had inside information about a possible attack but this picture is foony..
Maybe they should have used some vintage filter or something..
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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Yeah, MUST BE FAKE! That's impossible!


militarywired.com...


This was obtained from the records of the Hilo Public Library, 300 Waianuenue Ave, Hilo, Hawaii 96720. And is in fact 100% genuine. If you don't believe me, call them & you can get your own copy for $1.25.


Here's another paper:

militarywired.com...
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by victor7
reply to post by Observor
 


Russia conducted two mistakes after 1991: 1) tried to change to free market economy a bit too fast 2) wrongly anticipated that west would provide all sorts of help to them. West did not even toss a squat in return.

They were not really mistakes. The consequences were well anticipated.

Russia should have followed the Chinese model, where only few areas were initially opened as 'free market zones' and capitalism applied only in small steps. Also in Russia's case due to sudden collapse of the state security apparatus, corruption and naked looting of state's resources reached manic levels. Even today $10B of the $50B Russian Defense budget is corrupted away into the pockets of Generals and other officials. This after Putin in the top power circles for the 12 years.

Russia didn't have the luxury of China, which was not a military power with responsibilities to partners. Russia had to either maintain arms parity with the West, a huge drain on the resources, or concede a military advantage to them. The only way to concede a military advantage without loss of face was to pretend the system collapsed. If the West's military build-up was really to answer a threat from communism, that excuse would no longer exist and they would have to scaledown their miltary build-up. Of course, that didn't happen. But what did happen was that the West came out in the open with its agenda for everyone to see, exactly what the scaling down of the "threat of communism" was supposed to achieve.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by Observor
 


Save russia? Gorbachev and Yeltsin sold Russia as per shelepin-Gramsci soft socialism formula .Putin stopped it.KGB said enough because the Shelepin-Gramsci Formula was a Rockefeller-Rothschild formula,refer to shadow of Hermes by Juri Lina and not Anatoly Golitsyn 'new lies for old' .Russia gave away considerable secrets on torsional field tech to the West and China under Gorbachev.

Tell that to the communists and nationalists .Saved Russia.

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Not sure if you ever played chess or used a strategy called 'sacrifice'.

Once the inevitability of an energy peak was understood, the Soviet block was unsustainable both financially and militarily. It had to be dismantled and Russia's responsibilities reduced to save Russia. The only way it can be achieved was to renounce socialism and pretend Russia had been completely destroyed and no longer a threat to the West. Today Russia doesn't owe security to any other country, but is free is to defend herself and other allies as she sees fit. This scenario would have been impossible if the USSR hadn't collapsed or if the West wasn't lulled into writing Russia off. Whether they knowingly did what they did or not Mikhail Sergeyevich and Boris Nikolayevich played extremely crucial roles in bringing about this transition. I am not an apologist for either. Russians would be well-justified in despising them. But a few decades down the line, I am sure the crucial nature of the roles they played would be appreciated more.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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bollocks. Read Juri Lina's Under the Sign of the Scorpion.Read Anthony Sutton's wall street and the Bolshevik revolution.Rockefeller funded Lenin and Trotsky (98% of initial bolshevik party was jewish).Stalin rid Russia of Rothschild Rockefeller influence and was killed on purim after rockefeller puppet Hitler failed to kill him. After that the Shelepin plan of soft socialism was implemented and there was mass power struggles between the communist nationalist and communist-capitalist international (fabian socialists/Rothschild-Rockefeller) .Yeltsin,Andropov,Shelepin ,Gorbachev were agents of the Rockefeller Rothschild Capitalist communist international.Putin is not.Zyganov not .Stalin was not. Khrushchev and Brezhnev were double agent types.

Refer to Peter Beter's audio tapes too.

You will be surprised.Don't fall for the Bezmonov and Golitsyn nonsense ,because the shelepin plan was Fabian socialist and Rothschild controlled in nature.

Secondly there is no energy peak.Torsion technologies enable unlimited energy.High efficiency carbureators existed in USSR too.








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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:01 PM
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There won't be an allout war involving the USA and Russia. The day after Russia decides to take on the West directly, there won't be a West, as a military alliance. NATO will be disbanded immediately with many pulling out. Even the USA will cease to be one country and split up into many. Westerners are very eager to fight someone if the war doesn't come to their home, but cannot imagine taking on someone who would bring the war to their doorsteps.

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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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I have already conceded what I stated isn't obvious. So won't belabour the point more.

By the way, energy peak is a reality. I will believe in technologies delivering unlimited energy when I see them in action.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Russia was not China in three senses
a) China had massive manufacturing orders from the US so they were in current account surpluses of many sorts

b) Russians thought they could do in 2 years what the West did in 200 years i.e. cultivate a thriving market economy. They even refused to give it 20 years. Speed is a major obsession in the Russian culture. They think hard brutal enforcement can bypass many crucial requirements of a system.

c) Russians even after collapse of USSR still towed the line of 'Mother's kind generosity'. $160B worth of loans to the third world were written off and forgiven by Russia in 1990s. Still, Su-30s bought by Indonesia in late 90s were partially paid for in 'palm oil' shipments. There was some defense deal with India where they paid a portion with containers of tea and this at the time when Russia was having problems paying its loans to the IMF.

I would mostly disagree that this collapse of economy and military was preplanned. Mismanagement, corruption, disbelief in the system, scheming by the Russian Jews, Drunk President at the helm, treating common citizen worse than conscripts in the army etc. etc. led to the whole economy sinking by 80%. This figure was worst than the depression of 1920s in the US.

Russia's best chance in warding NATO off is if Germans refuse to tow the line of the AngloSaxons i.e. US and UK. If that does not happen, then Russians better walk away from SALT treaty and build several thousand more 1 megaton grade nukes to defeat any ABM system and make sure that West is totally destroyed in the event of a war.
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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"Secondly there is no energy peak.Torsion technologies enable unlimited energy.High efficiency carbureators existed in USSR too."

There is an oil peak though. World hopes that when oil will peak then alternative forms of energy sources will be cultivated and thus no "energy peak" in a sense.

Russia has become a "oil and gas" economy. This sole concentration of revenues is dangerous and no serious effort has been made to diversify either.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by kykweer

Originally posted by yourmaker

Originally posted by kykweer
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"another idea is that the US is rapidly encroaching towards mainland Russia, having invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, instigated social unrest in Tunisia and Egypt, drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen, naval skirmishes off Somalia, heightened tensions in the Black Sea from the South Ossetia conflict (which Russia knows that Georgia launched that attack on behalf of the US) and now Syria and Iran."

Why is it that Americans and I use it as a general term because about 90% of you... Just believe everything on earth revolves around you?

Are you aware that people in those countries have their own thoughts? That they maybe just maybe wanted to overthrow dictatorship as a means to benefit themselves?

Why are you on this desperate crusade to be the center of attention?


I'm not American. Why are you attempting to stir up a petty non-existant issue at my expense?
I have said nothing to which you could take the moral high ground legitimately, rather foolish.
You think I agree with the American wars, when my signature says "Rebel Command"

Are you kidding me?


Cool so if someone attacked you and your families well being, you'd just roll over.


The truth is freemasons, illuminati, congress, the american government doest start wars... Bad people do.


Then it becomes your choice, will you fight for good?


You're my new favorite ATS poster. You can literally say anything that has nothing remotely to do with anything and spin it in such a way that can make me seem whatever you want.

The fact is, no, I would not roll over, I would mercilessly pummel them into defeat for participating in such a daring benign activity.

You are correct in your second statement.
But those bad people are a specific creation of those established institutions. Do you understand?

I am already fighting for good.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
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Yeltsin was a puppet of Berezovsky,Jewish russian mafia and supposedly a Western agent,Berezovsky was the Godfather of the Kremlin. Russian Generals were willing to start a world war over Serbia,but due to Yeltsin could not,if the Generals had the weapons codes then Europe and USA would have undergone a holocaust.From what I know from a friend in russian military who's brother works with me has to say:

1)Iran is a bait
2) Syria will be protected maximum probability.
3)Russian WMD is on high alert and Biological are loaded on the strategic artillery(ICBM's) and chemical ones on Scuds since the western interference in Russian elections.The glonass update system has been attached to thousands of Scuds too.Strategic missile Forces are being put in a state of combat readiness.
4) Preparations for nuclear war are underway since 2008.





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The Russians are a smart people and they put the first man in space...but as of right now....they are VASTLY over matched by the United States never mind all U.S. Allies who would be a part in any showdown...but this is highly unlikely!

Reguardless of what has changed as far as the attidude toward the West since Putin gained power and he is still the man in power reguardless of who is in office in Russia...Russian needs the U.S. markets and investments as well as technical help in developing ways of drilling in the Super Cold Siberian Oil fields of which the U.S. Companies are clearly the group to hire to make Russia a huge producer of oil.

When the Soviet Union broke apart...it was the Russians that came to the U.S. for help knowing full well they had neither the money or the technical means to disarm and get rid of thousands of Nuclear weapons all over the Former Soviet states. Russia was in a state of Panic that countries like Ukrane would decide to keep the nukes on their soil and if it had not been for Americans doing the work...the Ukranians would never allowed the Russian in and would have become a very heavly armed Nuclear Power.

Favors like this have not been forgotten and reguardless of Russian anti-American expansion....the U.S. and Russia will become partners not adversaries. Split Infinity



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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Russia and the USA will become allies...Against who?...Just wondering...



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by munkey66
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What I don't see is Iran running around starting conflicts around the globe to usher in this end time scenario, Christians also have a belief that Jesus will return during times of global conflict,

So please remind me again which are the mad men?


And who is supporting Hamas? (with Syria as a pipeline until Assad gets off'ed) Or uses the Palestinian "cause," (fully legitimate as it is) to lob mortar shells into Israel? And who openly state they want to wipe Israel off the map, and would if they could? As for the fundamentalist Christians who indeed want to see "the end time's" to be beamed up to heaven while the rest of us have to deal with all their damn cars now double parked, who said that any one religion has a monopoly on crazy? There are extreme Jews who want to blow up the Temple Mount and rebuild Solomon's Temple because for them THAT will bring forth the messiah.

If up to me I would have rule number one that nation states must have separation of church and state. Leave the religious idiocy from anyone out of the behavior of nations and part of national policy. (caution if certain Republicans get elected, if you want to talk crazy) But thats just me.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by Observor
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There won't be an allout war involving the USA and Russia. The day after Russia decides to take on the West directly, there won't be a West, as a military alliance. NATO will be disbanded immediately with many pulling out. Even the USA will cease to be one country and split up into many. Westerners are very eager to fight someone if the war doesn't come to their home, but cannot imagine taking on someone who would bring the war to their doorsteps.

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What you just said really reminded me of this video:

***I think they swear near the end.***



The US is the guy on the left with the superiority complex.

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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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One very important factor,all but ignored or not thought of at all,when considering a war between the usa and russia.Is the fact that for a very long time the russian people have been forced to endure and have become hardened by massive suffering and death on a scale that the usa simply cannot compare to at all.Misery and death is in their blood and a look at these following numbers will say more than anything i ever could...

russia,world war-1...3,000,000 killed

russian civil war...5,000,000 killed

russia,world war-2...30,000,000 killed

stalin enforced genocide...20,000,000 killed

So in the first half of the twentieth century alone,in less than fifty years,russia has suffered around 60,000,000 killed...

united states civil war...620,000 killed

united states,world war-1...120,000 killed

united states,world war-2...400,000 killed

united states,korean war...35,000 killed

And so in about 90 years,the united states has suffered around 1,000,000 killed...

Thats a 60 to 1 ratio,the russian people have been made stronger and harder than the people of the united states and the russian people would be more able to endure a war than people in the usa...
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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Russia, China and the middle east will be at war with the west. This is FACT. Its been known for over 30 years.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:19 PM
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Russian spetnatz are not your typical homemade haji with an ak-47. Your kids will come home in a body bag or just a flag. It will be real war and not the cake walk slaughter occupation like the u.s committed in the middle east.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:19 PM
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\interesting point of view, but to me , I say to look to the Siege of Leningrad as a marker of endurance.

Most Americans will fold like a cheap suit if the cable goes off, and American Idol is off.

Russians are used to hardships as the Leningrad Siege will attest.

en.wikipedia.org...



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