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RUSSIA: Attack on Tehran is an Attack on Moscow

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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by SheopleNation

Originally posted by kykweer

Do you REALLY believe America is their ally because they just randomly feel like it? Israel has some hold over America, that said Israel is also amongst the strongest military strategist in the world with highly trained personal that would probably put to shame some of the best in USA, technologically they are faaaar superior to anyone in the middle east. Maybe I'm wrong but they don't need America, America needs Israel.


The truth is that you're wrong. In fact, you bumped your head my misled friend. Israel needs America more than America needs Israel, and anyone who understands our foreign policy already knows that. Not sure why tabs are being kept anyway. Nothing new, This is common knowledge. ~SheopleNation


Like I said israel is more than capable taking care of themselves and they are stubborn and foolhardy, I know their type as I'm from South Africa and during apartheid and during the cold war when we developed nukes and russia was complaining all the time, but america just told russia to chill out... Not because america supported apartheid, but because we were a STRATEGIC ally... Like Israel is now.

Israel is the perfect ally in the middle east and we all know america needs oil. Its not like america can close its borders like some kurt russel movie, you need the outside world and you need oil, your options are the middle east and russia. And russia won't allow you to chill out in the middle of syberia. And israel is stable enough that they don't really need ground or air support to look after them.

Why would you be so naïve to think that america is israels ally out of the good of their hearts? They are sucking it up because well...they have no other choice.




posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 07:20 AM
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I understand your frustration and america is sometimes a large welfare organization nearly half as big as the gates foundation. But I'd rather be apart of something that helps a starving child in the desert than jam on my new xbox 360 with my bicmac and waymorethanineed sugary drink.

Its all about your conscious too.

ETA. I nearly forgot about your competitive industry and super kickass internet speed gosh I neeeeeed!
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by yourmaker

Originally posted by kykweer
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"another idea is that the US is rapidly encroaching towards mainland Russia, having invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, instigated social unrest in Tunisia and Egypt, drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen, naval skirmishes off Somalia, heightened tensions in the Black Sea from the South Ossetia conflict (which Russia knows that Georgia launched that attack on behalf of the US) and now Syria and Iran."

Why is it that Americans and I use it as a general term because about 90% of you... Just believe everything on earth revolves around you?

Are you aware that people in those countries have their own thoughts? That they maybe just maybe wanted to overthrow dictatorship as a means to benefit themselves?

Why are you on this desperate crusade to be the center of attention?


I'm not American. Why are you attempting to stir up a petty non-existant issue at my expense?
I have said nothing to which you could take the moral high ground legitimately, rather foolish.
You think I agree with the American wars, when my signature says "Rebel Command"

Are you kidding me?


Cool so if someone attacked you and your families well being, you'd just roll over.


The truth is freemasons, illuminati, congress, the american government doest start wars... Bad people do.


Then it becomes your choice, will you fight for good?



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:11 AM
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As I said, nothing would happen when we ( UK and USA, possibly the French) invade Iran, our Russian "friends" will do diddly squat. They will be slagging the west off...again and condemn the attack then do some exercises in the Syrian waters.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
reply to post by Foppezao
 


Yeltsin was a puppet of Berezovsky,Jewish russian mafia and supposedly a Western agent,Berezovsky was the Godfather of the Kremlin. Russian Generals were willing to start a world war over Serbia,but due to Yeltsin could not,if the Generals had the weapons codes then Europe and USA would have undergone a holocaust.From what I know from a friend in russian military who's brother works with me has to say:

1)Iran is a bait
2) Syria will be protected maximum probability.
3)Russian WMD is on high alert and Biological are loaded on the strategic artillery(ICBM's) and chemical ones on Scuds since the western interference in Russian elections.The glonass update system has been attached to thousands of Scuds too.Strategic missile Forces are being put in a state of combat readiness.
4) Preparations for nuclear war are underway since 2008.





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Yeltsin had Russian military starved of funds in the 1990s and if Russia had started war over Serbia, it would have been a disaster for the federation and the world as things would have turned nuclear in few hours. Even today, Russia stands little chance against NATO if going all alone.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:20 AM
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"The truth is freemasons, illuminati, congress, the american government doest start wars... Bad people do."

Who started war in Iraq 2003..........Saddam Hussien?

Who is nearly starting war with Iran today and covertly already into it by killing its scientist and missile experts?

Answer: American government which controlled by all you mentioned plus few others.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
reply to post by Foppezao
 


Yeltsin was a puppet of Berezovsky,Jewish russian mafia and supposedly a Western agent,Berezovsky was the Godfather of the Kremlin. Russian Generals were willing to start a world war over Serbia,but due to Yeltsin could not,if the Generals had the weapons codes then Europe and USA would have undergone a holocaust.From what I know from a friend in russian military who's brother works with me has to say:

1)Iran is a bait
2) Syria will be protected maximum probability.
3)Russian WMD is on high alert and Biological are loaded on the strategic artillery(ICBM's) and chemical ones on Scuds since the western interference in Russian elections.The glonass update system has been attached to thousands of Scuds too.Strategic missile Forces are being put in a state of combat readiness.
4) Preparations for nuclear war are underway since 2008.





edit on 17-1-2012 by ludwigvonmises003 because: (no reason given)


I don't get it, still why does Russia want to start this ABC Galore over Iran while during the Cold War there were more senstive issues and the Soviet Union was much more capable confronting the West than now, actually the Red army would have trampled Europe in a few days.Why now?
Over elections? I was amazed that Russia had its own observers pointing out the fraude going on in their own land, that's no reason to load ICBM with biological agents and such.And what does 2008 got to do with it? Isn't Russia free from all illuminate influence who might try to drag the world in a big fine war..[although i doubt those stories]



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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i think he's saying that Syria will be protected at all costs and Iran is being setup for the fall.

As for elections,John McCain made a statement 'Arab spring coming near you ,vlad' just before the elections.. And the NGO's,Nemstov and Navalny are western funded by US state dept and NED. in US there are laws of treason against foreign interference in Elections.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by victor7
reply to post by kykweer
 


"The truth is freemasons, illuminati, congress, the american government doest start wars... Bad people do."

Who started war in Iraq 2003..........Saddam Hussien?

Who is nearly starting war with Iran today and covertly already into it by killing its scientist and missile experts?

Answer: American government which controlled by all you mentioned plus few others.


Oh sorry saddam is a good guy he fed his people rainbows and roses they all respected him... Sure ill criticize some of their methods as america could have been more humane, but they did a good thing

What if they take out nuclear scientists and missile experts, why stop there I wish they'd take out pedophiles too... Someone has to do it.

Truth is they have to do all these things to keep american people happy and have been doing these things for over a 100 years, its just more open now.

Take out dictators and terrorists american government please.

ETA. Do you care who suffers under tyranny or is it all about you?
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
Yeltsin was a puppet of Berezovsky

Boris Nikolayevich was no one's puppet. He was chosen, by the Russian nationalists, to fool the West into believing that they had finally beaten Russia and can ignore her which he did admirably.

His successor Vladimir Vladimirovich was, officially, handpicked by him. Why would he have done that had he been a puppet of any Western interests?



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:16 AM
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If you want to believe that story...




posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by Observor

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
Yeltsin was a puppet of Berezovsky

Boris Nikolayevich was no one's puppet. He was chosen, by the Russian nationalists, to fool the West into believing that they had finally beaten Russia and can ignore her which he did admirably.

His successor Vladimir Vladimirovich was, officially, handpicked by him. Why would he have done that had he been a puppet of any Western interests?


I think Putin after seeing looting of Russia, destruction of its economy and armed forces, humiliation in Serbia, 1998 currency crises etc. conducted a 'silent coup' on Yeltsin. It was the 'siloviki' i.e. KGB nationalists who decided that 'enough was enough' and matters had to be taken under control. This was shown by the fact that Yeltsin gave up power suddenly on a day's notice and everything show was then run by Putin and his KGB associates.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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There is no point arguing with you. Your mindset seems to be of kind that if given a chance you would jump again on apartheid system at a moments notice and defend it with all your available resources.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by victor7
Even today, Russia stands little chance against NATO if going all alone.

Who would survive to stand a chance in an all out war between the West and Russia?

Is the West's bloodthirst so great that they would be willing to commit suicide and go for an all out war, if they are attacked to stop them from murdering others at will? If the answer is 'Yes', Russia better attack sooner than later when the disparity in strength will be even larger. If the answer is 'No', Russia should attack enough Western targets to show they mean it. There won't be any retaliation, Westerners are all too eager to go around murdering when all that they are likely to lose is military personnel and weapons, but are too eager to save their skins, should a threat of annihilation seem realistic.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:46 AM
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Of course I'm against apartheid. I'm just against the hypocrisy... "Let them all die its not MY problem", "the government only wants what's good for themselves"... See? Hypocrisy, there is no point arguing with me cause I'm right... Defeat evil in the world and save those who just can't help themselves for they have been suppressed from doing so...BUT america is doing this for oil. Its logical. They don't wake up one rainy day and decide "hey let's go make a war" they think, "what can I do today to help my family and their family"... I mean if they defeat a person with evil means and help the helpless, go for it, everyone wins.
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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by victor7
I think Putin after seeing looting of Russia, destruction of its economy and armed forces, humiliation in Serbia, 1998 currency crises etc. conducted a 'silent coup' on Yeltsin. It was the 'siloviki' i.e. KGB nationalists who decided that 'enough was enough' and matters had to be taken under control. This was shown by the fact that Yeltsin gave up power suddenly on a day's notice and everything show was then run by Putin and his KGB associates.

Had the 'coup' come before the looting, destruction of economy and humiliation, the people wouldn't have tolerated it.

It had to be proven to the people that the West has absolutelely no interest in the Russian people and only the Russian Nationalists who stand against the West can help the people of Russia. All of that was achieved admirably during Boris Nikolayevich's Presidency. The more Russia suffered under his rule, the more the West praised him.

I know it is not readily apparent that he could have been part of a plan, but I believe he and Mikhail Sergeyevich before him were chosen to fulfil specific roles. I believe the dissolution of the USSR was a plan to save Russia.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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In an all out World War-3 between the United States and Russia,its Russia who would come out the winner and emerge as the worlds new super power because their country contains the largest forests in the world,so they would be able to manufacture the most clubs and spears,the weapons of choice for World War-4...

The Russian Federation of the Commonwealth of Independent States occupies approximately one-seventh of the world's land area and contains nearly one-fourth of the world's timber resources and more than half of all boreal forests...


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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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Russia conducted two mistakes after 1991: 1) tried to change to free market economy a bit too fast 2) wrongly anticipated that west would provide all sorts of help to them. West did not even toss a squat in return.

Russia should have followed the Chinese model, where only few areas were initially opened as 'free market zones' and capitalism applied only in small steps. Also in Russia's case due to sudden collapse of the state security apparatus, corruption and naked looting of state's resources reached manic levels. Even today $10B of the $50B Russian Defense budget is corrupted away into the pockets of Generals and other officials. This after Putin in the top power circles for the 12 years.



posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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Save russia? Gorbachev and Yeltsin sold Russia as per shelepin-Gramsci soft socialism formula .Putin stopped it.KGB said enough because the Shelepin-Gramsci Formula was a Rockefeller-Rothschild formula,refer to shadow of Hermes by Juri Lina and not Anatoly Golitsyn 'new lies for old' .Russia gave away considerable secrets on torsional field tech to the West and China under Gorbachev.

Tell that to the communists and nationalists .Saved Russia.

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posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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Russia has a massive civil defence network.

Enough said.



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