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Originally posted by newyorkee
Originally posted by BrianOrion
Originally posted by newyorkee
I´ll stick to my original point....he didn't say to wipe Israel off the map....after that you do your homework like the rest of us.....
.this is lame....you are no challenge...just an angry little man.....go ahead...I now GIVE you back this thread to call me all the names you want.....my responses can't be erased and everyone will see what a tool you have become.....happy drooling
If anybody reads our interaction, and one of my ATS contacts has... they would possibly conclude that you were incapable of answering ANY question I asked of you... that you became quite abusive and I responded to your abuse... that YOU are anti-American (whatever that means)... and that you are seemingly so much in support of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that you could be Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...
Did Mahmoud Ahmadinejad say that he would try to lead his nation towards a peaceful direction and develop 'friendships' with the American/Zionists? Or did Mahmoud Ahmadinejad decide himself to be some sort of Islamic deliverer, opposed to anything 'western' and 'American?'
Only LOVE can conquer FEAR... now run along little boy... mommy has your dinner on the table
so got proof of how my translation was wrong like you said it was....no....ok go back to drooling.....you are so cute...what questions.....you just called me a muslim a bunch of times......you are so lame....
Originally posted by Aeons
Iran could just stop playing chicken with trade routes and unnecessary nuclear facilities.
I know that would be way too sensible.
and there are nuclear weapons in Canada.
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by xuenchen
A friend of mine is from Iran.
Went to college in USA.
Speaks fluent English and Farsi.
He tells me that Ahmadinejad uses a slightly localized dialect.
He agrees with this translation:
The Real deal
And a friend of mine is Iranian. She moved to Canada shortly after the brutal Iranian crackdown after the scam of an election they last held.
It was the last straw for her family. During protests, her brother was beaten and then detained without charges by the Basij. He was held for shortly under a month. During that time he was beaten and locked in a freezing, white room naked. When he tried to sleep, they splashed cold water on him.
After his release, her family decided enough was enough. They were well connected, and able to buy passage out of Iran though Turkey. They pack their things and fled. She has confided in me about the bloodlust the Iranian government and clergy feel towards the Jews. Hell, ive said it time and time again, say what you want about those translations, you cannot deny that Ahmadinjad and the Ayatollah incite massive prayer rallies to chant "Death to USA! Death to Israel!" over and over, and publicly hang gays in the streets. These are not the actions of a sane, reasonable government.
We may have problems here in the West, but the day we start hanging people in the streets for the simple crime of being gay or cheating on your husband with the consent of the government is the day i take up arms and attempt an overthrow.
edit on 7-1-2012 by nightbringr because: (no reason given)
There are 25,000 Jews living in Iran. When Israel backed a plan to pay Iranian Jewish families $60,000 to settle in Israel, Society of Iranian Jews met the announcement with scorn, issuing this statement: "The identity of Iranian Jews is not tradable for any amount of money. Iranian Jews are among the most ancient Iranians. Iran's Jews love their Iranian identity and their culture, so threats and this immature political enticement will not achieve their aim of wiping out the identity of Iranian Jews."
Originally posted by xuenchen
I think countries and states that have nukes are dangerous.
Originally posted by newyorkee
since you worry about all people.....what about IRAN.....this sort of rhetoric causes wars like IRAQ......or did you forget about all the lives that caused to end abruptly....argue peace.....or live with being the war monger you advocate by proxy....
so you want us to bomb iran is that it.....oh you are such a saint....I see you have been busy here on ATS.....really want to get into it
Originally posted by intrepid
Originally posted by Aeons
Iran could just stop playing chicken with trade routes and unnecessary nuclear facilities.
I know that would be way too sensible.
It takes 2 to play chicken. Why does the West continue to provoke?
and there are nuclear weapons in Canada.
I've heard that before but nothing substantive. Speculation.
ETA: Brian and newyorkee, would you guys please knock of the backhanded insults? We're attempting to have a mature discussion here.edit on 7-1-2012 by intrepid because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by newyorkee
Originally posted by BrianOrion
Originally posted by newyorkee
I´ll stick to my original point....he didn't say to wipe Israel off the map....after that you do your homework like the rest of us.....
.this is lame....you are no challenge...just an angry little man.....go ahead...I now GIVE you back this thread to call me all the names you want.....my responses can't be erased and everyone will see what a tool you have become.....happy drooling
If anybody reads our interaction, and one of my ATS contacts has... they would possibly conclude that you were incapable of answering ANY question I asked of you... that you became quite abusive and I responded to your abuse... that YOU are anti-American (whatever that means)... and that you are seemingly so much in support of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that you could be Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...
Did Mahmoud Ahmadinejad say that he would try to lead his nation towards a peaceful direction and develop 'friendships' with the American/Zionists? Or did Mahmoud Ahmadinejad decide himself to be some sort of Islamic deliverer, opposed to anything 'western' and 'American?'
Only LOVE can conquer FEAR... now run along little boy... mommy has your dinner on the table
so got proof of how my translation was wrong like you said it was....no....ok go back to drooling.....you are so cute...what questions.....you just called me a muslim a bunch of times......you are so lame....
Originally posted by intrepid
Originally posted by Aeons
Iran could just stop playing chicken with trade routes and unnecessary nuclear facilities.
I know that would be way too sensible.
It takes 2 to play chicken. Why does the West continue to provoke?
and there are nuclear weapons in Canada.
I've heard that before but nothing substantive. Speculation.
ETA: Brian and newyorkee, would you guys please knock of the backhanded insults? We're attempting to have a mature discussion here.edit on 7-1-2012 by intrepid because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by Aeons
Of those people though, how many actually believe what he has to say now, in your honest opinion? If they still believe him, than I fear we may be in a bit more trouble than I thought. Harper is one of the worst we've ever had. He makes Bush look like a philanthropist. McGuinty could be worse though, as I've yet to discover if certain decisions are coming from the federal or provincial level.
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
The Jews in Iran seem to paint a much different picture than "your friend in Iran".
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
I know people from Iran too, and they have told me some stories. Iran isn't the beacon of human rights, but Jews in Iran have just as many rights as all other Iranians.
Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
Persians are not a racist people as you have been duped into believing. They embrace Judaism, Iran even hosts many different conferences that revolve around Judaism.
Quote from Wikipedia entry
JewsWhile Jews are a recognized religious minority, allegations of official discrimination are frequent. The Government’s anti-Israel policies, along with a perception among radical Muslim elements that all Jewish citizens support Zionism and the State of Israel, create a threatening atmosphere for the small Jewish community. Jewish leaders reportedly are reluctant to draw attention to official mistreatment of their community due to fear of government reprisal.
Persecution and discrimination has increased among the government and society since the Revolution in 1979. On the eve of Passover 1998, 13 Iranian Jewish men were arrested on charges of espionage. The United States and Israel both demanded their release. Iran accused the men of spying for "world arrogance" (being the U.S.) and the "Zionist regime" (being Israel). The conviction is highly doubted by the rest of the world.[16]
so you want us to bomb iran is that it.....oh you are such a saint....I see you have been busy here on ATS.....really want to get into it
Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by Echtelion
State news? The state news in Canada is distinctly far left socialist in flavour.
Originally posted by xuenchen
I completely understand your friend and her family's dilemma and I can sympathize with your burdens as well.
(sounds like they are Jewish?)
Originally posted by xuenchen
My friend is Jewish and came to the U.S. in the 1970's. He is a cardiologist. He has returned to visit relatives several times with no problems. Last time was 5 years ago. The family travels here also.
Originally posted by xuenchen
Many people have problems in the world.
Many world leaders and icons are not normal.
Many are psychopaths.
What is a "white room"?
Originally posted by Aeons
Iran could just stop playing chicken with trade routes and unnecessary nuclear facilities.
I know that would be way too sensible.
Intrepid - there is plenty of capacity to nuclear in Canada, and there are nuclear weapons in Canada. I'm glad to show you that your concern is already a reality.
flexy123-
There is still an ENORMOUS difference between a somewhat democratic government and a regime with religious extremists. If you can't see that nuclear bombs in the hands of religious extremists is dangerous...i can't help you.
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by nightbringr
All of that and no truths were harmed in the making of that post!
I'm just saying, is all.
Your right about one thing. The jews have been the most persecuted peoples on the face of the earth to still exist. I personally applaud their tenacity and will to live. Many other races have been extinguished facing half the resistance they have.
So yeah, while you want to put them in ovens (or at least as you have admitted believe they deserve nothing less), i commend their drive. Its no wonder they are some of the most successful people on earth. If they werent they would have been lost centuries ago.
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by HelloJCneedsomehelp
This has been building up for sometime. As TPTB start to lose because the people are waking up they start a war have a FF to take everyone's eyes the other way. Same story different date.
Wrong.
TPTB (if there is any such unified group, i doubt it), certainly know that a new war will cause mass protests and perhaps riots. There needs to be a justification, simply going in and bombing Iran on suspicion of making a bomb will drive those already inclined to protest (OWSers) and those sitting on the fence to protest again in earnest.
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to NIghtbringer
Yes, I know that. I knew back in the early 80's that the Soviets had all these nuclear shelters for it's civilians while the US had just a few here and there. Today the US has D.U.M.B. shelters and not for the civilians....
so if the whole Cold War is over and communism is dead, and Russia is friends with Iran, N Korea, and China, then why is Russia so worried about revamping its nuclear civil defense? Do you mean to tell me they are afraid of some dirty suitcase devices? That would be laughable.
No............because the world is still filled with nuclear weapons.
It would be hopelessly naive to think simply because the cold war is over everyone is going to simply play nice forever. Why do you think the USA spends massively on their war machine even though the cold war is over?
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Why Is Russia Building 5000 More Nuclear Bomb Shelters In Moscow By The End Of 2012?
Russia certainly seems to be in a hurry to prepare for something. RT is reporting that 5,000 new nuclear bomb shelters will be constructed in the city of Moscow by the end of 2012. Russian authorities believe that these new shelters are urgently needed because the current nuclear bomb shelters will only hold approximately half the population and are quite outdated. In addition, there are apparently very few nuclear bomb shelters for those living outside the city center at this point. Officials want virtually the entire population of Moscow to be able to reach a bomb shelter within a matter of minutes. But in this era when the "Cold War" is supposed to be over, why are 5000 nuclear bomb shelters such an urgent necessity?
Russia has always had a strong civil defense program, something the US has completely neglected. Moscow, with its city based ABM system would be the most heavily targetted area in the world come time for the bombs to fly. Older defense doctrine documents show the USA would target Moscow with no less than 100 warheads. They are simply preparing defense. Hell, id feel more secure if my country had such a plan in place.
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by masterp
Isn't Hamas simply defending its people and land? does Hamas do unjustified actions?
Yes, they do.
Living in peace is impossible for them so they perpetuate a state of war and use their own people as pawns.