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Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by nightbringr
I understand that you, yourself may not be promoting that course of action, but you speak in the language of war. When you repeat their rationalitzations for attacking, you aid their efforts. Propaganda is like a virus. If you let it get to far into the body, it causes mayhem. I am not against you personally, just what you said in that post. That's what the American gov has been trying to use as rationalisation for attacking for years.
Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by BrianOrion
You can be flabbergasted all you want but that does not make it any less true. If you wanna believe the propaganda, than, I guess it is your right to do so. I, however, see that muslims are the one who got the short end of the stick, not us. They have constantly been subverted and demonized. The only reason why they don't like us is because we've very much earned that opinion by bombing them into oblivion and propping up dictators. We in the west are far worse than they could ever be. Just be glad you were born over on this side of the pond, so you don't have to see the results of our actions over there.
Originally posted by steveknows
Originally posted by BrianOrion
Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by Aeons
See, that's where you and I may disagree. Only a certain type of Islamism (Wahabi) is a threat to westerners, not the whole kit and caboodle. Most of it is just propaganda to legitimize our wars in the middle east. I happen to have quite a few muslim friends and none of them embraces violence the way we're led to believe they do. Yes, there are hardliners everywhere, but Islam is no more a threat to us than the Inuit(who also have some very strange ideas about fidelity).
Blimey... do you really believe that Islam is not a threat to the 'West?'
I, for one, am totally flabbergasted by your statement...
You think that the ignorance in regard to the danger of Islam to the west is uncommon on ats?
Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by BrianOrion
When Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was questioned in 2006... according to the source YOU provided, he evaded the question regarding 'wiping Israel off the map' and refused to answer... he claimed that Palestine should be able to determine their own future... do you not find it incredible that NO Islamic state has yet to offer the 5 million or so displaced people permanent refugee status?
The business about so many defending Ahmadinejad's quote is disingenuous, imho.
The founding documents of Islam speak of
rocks crying out 'Here's a Jew hiding behind me--get him and kill him.'
Ahmadinejad is a fierce defender of that religion and those founding docs. To claim he doesn't believe every Jew should be exterminated is . . . unaware, uninformed, clueless, imho.
Originally posted by buster2010
Originally posted by BrianOrion
Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by Aeons
See, that's where you and I may disagree. Only a certain type of Islamism (Wahabi) is a threat to westerners, not the whole kit and caboodle. Most of it is just propaganda to legitimize our wars in the middle east. I happen to have quite a few muslim friends and none of them embraces violence the way we're led to believe they do. Yes, there are hardliners everywhere, but Islam is no more a threat to us than the Inuit(who also have some very strange ideas about fidelity).
Blimey... do you really believe that Islam is not a threat to the 'West?'
I, for one, am totally flabbergasted by your statement...
And why is Islam a threat to the west? You don't think it has anything to do with us bombing them for the last twenty years? You don't think it has any6thing to do with the US and Israel overthrowing governments and installing brutal dictators? People talk about how many Americans Iran has killed but never mention how many Iranians died under our puppet. If I were Islam I would be pissed too.
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
Look...reguardless of all these issues...if it were not for the United States...the whole region would be speeking German or Russian right now.
There are those who see the US as saviors, and there are those who see them as imperialists. It all depends on what spectrum of the class war you belong to.
DIMITRI! So....are your roots Russian or somewhere else?
As far as class...I have worked very hard to be where I am now and although I have two jobs that pay extremely well...I always get sucked into doing the third job. I do this third job for the good of the world as far as I view it.
I much to talk to you about but first...tell me your beginnings. Split Infinity
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
Look...reguardless of all these issues...if it were not for the United States...the whole region would be speeking German or Russian right now.
There are those who see the US as saviors, and there are those who see them as imperialists. It all depends on what spectrum of the class war you belong to.
DIMITRI! So....are your roots Russian or somewhere else?
As far as class...I have worked very hard to be where I am now and although I have two jobs that pay extremely well...I always get sucked into doing the third job. I do this third job for the good of the world as far as I view it.
I much to talk to you about but first...tell me your beginnings. Split Infinity
My beginnings?
Aeons ago, in time immemorial, light was created from darkness. The birth of the second dimension lead to the formation of the third dimension as we know it: matter and space.
At some point, cosmic supernovae produced vast amounts of refined elements that eventually differentiated into the planet that we now call Earth.
Cyanobacteria than began to form, and a billion years later Earth acquired an oxygen-based atmosphere. Life evolved into multi-cellular beings until humans came into the picture.
At some point during the late 1980s, the atoms that would become the chromosomes were ingested by he who would be my father.
As a young sperm cell, I was one of billions... yet I was the sole survivor in the journey to become something more than what I was.
Then I was born as a human in the year that the Soviet Union faltered into collapse, and I grew up in a world of economic hegemony with the American globalpower at the helm.
Regardless of the fact that I was only some no-name from a small British Columbian forest village, I have never doubted for a moment my role as a human being residing in a vast universe.
Does that answer your question?
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
reply to post by SplitInfinity
I personally have nothing to do with Russia. I am pure Canadian. My username on here is nothing more than an internet alias.
As for Russia selling Iran nuclear technology? Ukraine was initially supposed to build nuclear power plants for Iran but that deal ended with the collapse of the USSR, and Russia eventually took over. And it really has little to do with money; it's geostrategy. The more Russia invests in Iran, the less chance the US will take in invading yet another nation in the contended middle-asia region (and Iran happens to border Russia too).
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
I agree with your acessment in that this was one of the reasons...but cash played a big part. As for the concept that the U.S. would not attack a Nuclear state...that possition has changed with the emergence of very High Tech. Military capabilities. Even if Iran had a Hundred Nuclear bombs and perhaps a few missles to tip with a nuke....this is not a deterent anymore to prevent any U.S. Military action....if anything...it just makes the chances for this more likely. Canadian Eh!? What is your favorite Hocky team? I am a die hard Bruins fan and am tickled pink right now! LOL! Split Infinity
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
I agree with your acessment in that this was one of the reasons...but cash played a big part. As for the concept that the U.S. would not attack a Nuclear state...that possition has changed with the emergence of very High Tech. Military capabilities. Even if Iran had a Hundred Nuclear bombs and perhaps a few missles to tip with a nuke....this is not a deterent anymore to prevent any U.S. Military action....if anything...it just makes the chances for this more likely. Canadian Eh!? What is your favorite Hocky team? I am a die hard Bruins fan and am tickled pink right now! LOL! Split Infinity
Um, yeah, nuclear weapons are in fact a major deterrant force against invasion. The deterrant factor with Iran would be multiplied if they did actually have nuclear weapons, because most supporters of invading Iran already believe that Iran is dangerous enough to use them in an actual war. This is a damn good reason why the US isn't invading North Korea right now.
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
I agree with your acessment in that this was one of the reasons...but cash played a big part. As for the concept that the U.S. would not attack a Nuclear state...that possition has changed with the emergence of very High Tech. Military capabilities. Even if Iran had a Hundred Nuclear bombs and perhaps a few missles to tip with a nuke....this is not a deterent anymore to prevent any U.S. Military action....if anything...it just makes the chances for this more likely. Canadian Eh!? What is your favorite Hocky team? I am a die hard Bruins fan and am tickled pink right now! LOL! Split Infinity
Um, yeah, nuclear weapons are in fact a major deterrant force against invasion. The deterrant factor with Iran would be multiplied if they did actually have nuclear weapons, because most supporters of invading Iran already believe that Iran is dangerous enough to use them in an actual war. This is a damn good reason why the US isn't invading North Korea right now.
Your statement seems entirely logical. One would think so right? Why would the U.S. want to invade a country that has a nuclear deterence?
The actual answer is...the U.S. does not want certain countries in possesion of Nuclear weapons and the fact that Iran signed the NPR Treaty and will not allow inspectors in...is a fairly good sign that they are trying to build a bomb. Yet having a bunch of very old tech. gravity droped nukes and even a few missles that at this time are too small to house the nuke or vice versa...is no longer a deterent.
The U.S. has been working secretly for over 50 years on tech. to counter Nuclear bombs and missles. Some of this tech. has just...within a matter of a few months ago...been made public...WHY...I HAVE NO IDEA? But it is true.
A county having Nukes is not as much of an issue as a country wanting to USE a nuke or sell one...THIS is the problem with Iran. As far as N. Korea...China has their number and Chinas ties to the U.S. are a hell of alot more important to China than it's relationship to the North. Split Infinity
Originally posted by jcryder75
the us villinizes so many people that its hard to tell who is realy the enemy . how do we know that iran dosnt just want nucler energy? maby they want to move up to a 1st world country