Seattle Cops LAUGH at Victim of a Car Accident "Dont' jog to work you dump [snip]"

Originally posted by TsukiLunar

Christ man, take up a cause thats worth it. "Cops cracking wise in horribly inappropriate situations" is hardly worth the outrage considering all the other stuff some of them have been caught doing.

An instance of this isnt necessarily worth my time. It's the widespread nature of this behavior. Maybe I'm biased because I've sat in break rooms and at bar tables for years with these people, cops, EMT's, paramedics, who take great pleasure in trading pictures of misery and laughing about it. Seeing all of these standards they're supposed to be living up to thrown out the window.

I dont remember my city shutting down when a cop dies. Sounds like your over exaggerating to me.

Some do, some dont. We had a city shut down and a parade spanning blocks for some old cop who hit a pole not too long ago.

I wouldn't know. But lets shake things up here. For instance, lets apply this sentence to something you seem more fond of.

"Is it genuine hero-loss sadness on the militaries part or is it an illusion pushed by the Armed forces to keep the image going?"

Cause you know they do those things for our troops too, if they can.

I'm not terribly fond of the military. I was just pointing out how one uniforms standards are enforced with charges and trial while identical standards of another uniform are being excused as "good 'ol boy" behavior.

Again, because they are not dying as much as another unrelated group they are not worthy?

Your twisting the point again. Im not comparing their dying more than cops as a measure of value. Simply pointing out that their respective treatment should be at least as equal. A dangerous job and lives lost for one is somehow more heroic than an even more dangerous job with more lives lost, with far less pay. Or so the image is presented as such.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
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Yeah, keep trusting those cops, they're just Americans like you.

Put a person in a uniform, without any oversight and corrupt protections in place and this is what you get.
Ask any psychologist and they'll be able to tell you what happens when you put certain Humans above others in this way without adequate controls in place.

Half of the people wearing uniforms are in that job because they like having dominance over others, and they will abuse their position.

And I'll bet anything you like that 90% of those caught on film abusing citizens are still in their position.

I'm not sure if I understood your post in the proper context, no big deal. I'm assuming you were agreeing with me and threw in some sarcasm.

First off, I don't trust most police, mostly from very specific personal experiences I've been through. I am also not American

I do not support or condone these actions depicted in the video so I'm not sure why you would expect me to be happy that they kept their jobs. I think they should be unemployed. I have experienced people in uniform abusing their power various times and it's not something I take kindly.

And I'm well aware of the psychological boost people get once they put on the uniform. Please don't consider me to be one of the people in this thread who condone this. I am disgusted by the actions in the video.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Would you take a job risking your life for 30k a year? Most don't. Cities also stop for leaders, who haven't done the same either.

The difference being is the garbage man is unskilled labor who fell off a truck and got ran over, as opposed to someone who got shot by a criminal into a situation they ran into.
Same with fisherman and roofers.

But ordinary people who rescue others also touted as heroes, it is not limited to cops and firemen.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere

Your twisting the point again.

No, you were not being clear to your point. I can show you an example of horribly twisting words if you like. I don't argue like that, however.

A dangerous job and lives lost for one is somehow more heroic than an even more dangerous job with more lives lost, with far less pay. Or so the image is presented as such.

Personally, I feel basically all rituals are completely stupid. What do the dead care?

And, I don't know why you keep throwing this line of reasoning at me. For one, I only explained the mentality behind their actions. I never said, they deserve to be held up high or anything like that. Cause they don't.

Originally posted by nixie_nox

Would you take a job risking your life for 30k a year? Most don't. Cities also stop for leaders, who haven't done the same either.

I've done it for free.

Cops may be salaried at low numbers but their average pay is over 50K and higher with overtime. In some municipalities a beat cop can average 90K. A union that will actively fight for your "professional privilege" is another plus. And the standard "get out jail free" card helps to entice prospects as well.

The difference being is the garbage man is unskilled labor who fell off a truck and got ran over, as opposed to someone who got shot by a criminal into a situation they ran into.
Same with fisherman and roofers.

Most of those fallen heroes bit it in traffic accidents.

But ordinary people who rescue others also touted as heroes, it is not limited to cops and firemen.

Yes, they do. After lengthy investigations and it has been determined no charges can be filed.

Originally posted by TsukiLunar

Personally, I feel basically all rituals are completely stupid. What do the dead care?

And, I don't know why you keep throwing this line of reasoning at me. For one, I only explained the mentality behind their actions. I never said, they deserve to be held up high or anything like that. Cause they don't.

Agree. Didnt mean to be "throwing" things at you. I either got carried away or misinterpreted something.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by TsukiLunar

Christ man, take up a cause thats worth it. "Cops cracking wise in horribly inappropriate situations" is hardly worth the outrage considering all the other stuff some of them have been caught doing.

An instance of this isnt necessarily worth my time. It's the widespread nature of this behavior. Maybe I'm biased because I've sat in break rooms and at bar tables for years with these people, cops, EMT's, paramedics, who take great pleasure in trading pictures of misery and laughing about it. Seeing all of these standards they're supposed to be living up to thrown out the window.

I work with them and see them do great things. I probably get lectured about once a week about my caffeine intake. I have also heard the jokes, some funny, some not.

If they really were just humored by what they did, they wouldn't do it. Because it certainly isn't for the pay.Many work full time jobs and then volunteer.

I also see police officers who take their protection of the public so seriously they are almost rabid in dealing with them. And they think fast on their feet.They tend to be in higher positions and deal with legislative issues.

I have seen them go through snow storms to bring stuck diabetics their insulin, and I have seen them get furious when someone puts themselves in danger. But you don't hear these stories because it doesnt make the news.

You act as if they should work in a complete vacuum where nothing ever goes wrong.Not only do they have to deal with everyday trauma, but the politics are an almsost equal hassle. You get worked to death, its thankless, and someone beats you out of a promotion.
And you expect people to not get cynacle?

When my bil died, the local emt tried to save him despite being DOA. I gathered donations and brought them a goody basket. They were absolutely speechless. They said no one has ever come back before, and they rarely find out what happens to patients. They also sat and talked to me for about 20 minutes, answered my questions, and gave me the most invaluable advice.

So if you had issues for the behavior in the bar, why didn't you ever stop and ask why?

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by nixie_nox

Would you take a job risking your life for 30k a year? Most don't. Cities also stop for leaders, who haven't done the same either.

I've done it for free.

Still doing it?

Cops may be salaried at low numbers but their average pay is over 50K and higher with overtime. In some municipalities a beat cop can average 90K. A union that will actively fight for your "professional privilege" is another plus. And the standard "get out jail free" card helps to entice prospects as well.

50k doesn't even get you by in my area. Some counties have a poverty income level of 80k.

Teachers have unions, are you going to hold it against them too?

And what do you think is the actual percentage of those who use the get out of jail free card?

And the cops in NO make about 15-20k and the city can't even give them full uniforms, they were jeans with police shirts. Most have to moonlight to survive.

So it depends on the city/municipality.

50k with only overtime? Constant mandatory overtime doesn't seem like a deal to me.

i understand these cops, in all honesty.
How can you deal all day long with all the horrors,uncivilities and insults, if you dont use some humor ?

i know its not the smartest humor but still, these cops need to laugh,even if they kaugh about the victim condition.

I worked for years in the morgue of the biggest NY hospital (aint gonna tell you wich one) and lemme tell you, i was cracking the most morbid jokes , yes , i was one of thoses douchebags, cracking jokes over the bodies of someone loved one.

but yeah, you can call people like me douches, but you still need us for doing the dirty work you cant do.

without humor, we're just machines, without the most horrible jokes , we have to keep all those terrible things inside.

In my situation, after working at the hospital morgue, i left the job, and became alcoholic ,only my friend prevented me to turn worse

reply to post by TsukiLunar


Rituals are for those left behind.

On a daily basis police have to deal with horrific situations.

I think that they use gallows humor to lighten the burden of seeing so much carnage.

Yes, it was disrespectful. Yes, I can see people being upset.

Was it professional ... No

The reality is that police are people too. Give them a break.

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I asked why. I suggested it might be in bad taste.

That began my exile from the group. Their club wasnt tolerant of my inquiry.

Maybe the occasional genuine rescue makes up for shuttling the same morbidly obese hypochondriac night after night and ridiculing him behind his back. Maybe bringing insulin through a snow storm makes up for snapping pics of an OD and calling his corpse a "loser". Maybe clearing a childs airway makes up for kicking drunk homeless people as they get up into the back of the bus for their weekly trip to the tank.

Maybe.

What I know is if I had a bad day and went home and kicked my dog to blow off steam I'd be a monster.

People who, regardless of the reason, mock tragedy and laugh at photographs of people in pain are not people I want to associate with.

If we found out an EMT or a cop was into pain porn would that not raise an alarm or two? What if it's just because of the stress of the job?

reply to post by nixie_nox


Teachers unions dont fight for a teachers right to flunk or pass a student just because they're good buddies.

Police union fights for right to fix tickets and break laws

reply to post by AnonymousVan


You want an acceptable joke for this situation? How about something regarding helmet laws while jogging? How about something relating to a harness of lights or orange flags attached to sneakers?

Flat out calling a man a "dumb ass" is not a joke. It's a directed insult.

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What I know is if I had a bad day and went home and kicked my dog to blow off steam I'd be a monster. People who, regardless of the reason, mock tragedy and laugh at photographs of people in pain are not people I want to associate with. If we found out an EMT or a cop was into pain porn would that not raise an alarm or two? What if it's just because of the stress of the job?

you are generalizing, each cases are differents frome one another.

I tend to laugh at photographs of people in pain, but psychanaticaly, its a defense mechanism we all have inside our mind, we tend to laugh because we're scared of death, and we laugh because it make us feel alive.
I tend to myself think "better him than me" , so am i a monster ?

Originally posted by AnonymousVan

I tend to myself think "better him than me" , so am i a monster ?

That in itself isnt a joke. It's the truth. We all would rather be alive than dead. Well, most of us anyway.

Laughing at death encompasses many facets.

Being daring as laughing at death? Not a monster.

Watching some guy get hit by a bus and busting into hysterics? Definitely a monster.

"Laughing" at preposterous events or amazing circumstances leading up to a death? Not a monster.
However laughing at the victim is monstrous.

Laughing at some guy dying of heart disease whether or not lifestyle was a factor. Borderline. Could go either way.

In the end it depends on what's in your heart and nobody knows what's in your heart but you.

Though calling a man who may very well be dying at your feet a "dumbass" especially when he wasnt doing something dumb like riding a 20 foot unicycle in the middle of the freeway is definitely not funny and definitely worthy of the monster label.

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ok, then we agree on some of the points you highlighted
Good to see we can understand each others

People have no sense of manners anymore as evidenced by this thread.

Maybe I should laugh at your ass while you are having a heart attack "maybe you shouldn't have ate all that bacon you dumbass!!!" lolz!

Some things just aren't appropriate. Try reading "Manners for Dummies" sometime.

Cops don't deal with "horrors" on a daily basis. The "horrors" are actually few and far between.

They don't risk their lives on a daily basis.

Barring traffic accidents, which are basically self-inflicted wounds due to very poor decision-making on their part, police work is some of the safest work you can get into.

Roofers (hell any construction work), night clerks at 7-11s, taxi drivers, prostitutes, fishermen, loggers, farmers, and many others, even office managers (more likely to die on the job from gunshot than cops), do far more dangerous work on a daily basis and don't constantly whine about it or excuse poor behavior on their part because of it or demand special treatment or privileges.

I don't "need" protection by cops, never have, never will. But I, and most of us, certainly need protection from them. I will deal with thieves, and violent people on my own. I've lived a pretty interesting life and come into contact with some dicey situations, and never once have I required the assistance of cops to rectify it or protect myself and loved ones. I have faced down antagonistic biker gangs by facing them with courage and demanding respect and negotiating peace with them. I have broken up armed robberies, faced home invaders, and disarmed gang-bangers, all without the need of a cop to "protect" me.

All the excuses people make for shoddy, disrespectful, and criminal behavior by cops are pure ass-kissing bunk. The position and authority police hold demands a higher standard of behavior from them. If they can't meet that standard for whatever reason it is cause for resignation or dismissal. No excuses whatsoever.

They're "only human"?

Get a clue: some humans behave better than others because they choose to do so.

Those who use that as an excuse are choosing to be lesser humans, but are demanding the privileges and respect, unearned, of their betters.

Those who choose to enter police work do so with the full knowledge of what the job requires. If they enter it without intending to uphold a strict standard of behavior, then they are falsely swearing an oath to begin with. If they discover that it wasn't what they thought and that they can't maintain the demeanor and standards demanded, and continue anyway, then they are liars and forsworn, honorless miscreants abusing the position.

Sure my standards are high and demanding.

I have applied them to myself and tried/try to the utmost of my ability to abide by them, and I'm just a regular citizen.

Does that make me a better person?

Damned straight it does.

You see, I earn that title every day of my life by living it and being a better person. It really isn't that hard to do once you get used to it if you aren't spiritually lazy and morally bankrupt.

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i dont want to sound rude, but what do you want exactly ?
a pat in the back and congratulations ?

Some people need to make horrible jokes, somes like you are dealing with the stress by trying to be a better human being.