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Originally posted by projectvxn
Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by Rockpuck
You can call them illegal aliens and I'll call them undocumented workers deal?
Not all of them are simply workers.
The biggest problem with illegal aliens are the problems that progressives and open border advocates ignore.
1. Gangs
2. Women and child prostitution smuggling
3. Drug smuggling
4. Gun trafficking(mostly to gangs and drug dealers so 1 and three are actually related to this)
5. Burden on social programs and economic prosperity
People who think like you do on this issue ignore this stuff because you chalk it up to being about white people hating Hispanic people. Well here's a Hispanic telling you like it IS.
Are you a self hating Latina?
You and others make it sound like this things would not exist if it weren't for the illegal Mexicans.
ow about the fact that these crimes are also done by legal Americans
even if you some how got rid of all the illegals...those crimes would still exist..and I highly doubt the figures would go down.
Originally posted by kerazeesicko
If I am not mistaken..the Nazis had that kind of system...have papers to prove yourself to the authorities.
So you want a police state?
Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by kerazeesicko
Are you a self hating Latina?
3 things.
1. I'm not a woman so I'm not a "Latina".
2. I'm an immigrant here legally who doesn't want to be placed in the back of the line behind those who entered illegally.
3. I was wondering how long it would take for one of you geniuses to call me something to the effect of an Uncle Tom. That just shows how little you know about this issue and how little you understand immigration to the US in general. What an absolutely asinine and ignorant statement on your part. You should be ashamed of it :shk:
Originally posted by buster2010
Originally posted by kerazeesicko
If I am not mistaken..the Nazis had that kind of system...have papers to prove yourself to the authorities.
So you want a police state?
We already have that and have had for quite a while. It's called a ID. Like a drivers license or a straight up ID card.
Several people pointed me to an interview Mexican President Felipe Calderon gave to CNN in which he acknowledges Mexico deports illegal immigrants from Guatemala and other Central American countries.
Some people are wondering why the Mexican president is pushing the United States to pass more lenient immigration laws than those that exist in his own country.
In his interview with Calderon, CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked the Mexican president about a recent Washington Times article that stated Mexico's immigration laws were tougher than those passed in Arizona.
Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals. - The Washington Times.
Read more: obsthisland.blogspot.com...
I would say you are an Uncle Tom. You are trying to defend the right for people to discriminate against Latinos(Mexicans).
Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by kerazeesicko
Are you a self hating Latina?
3 things.
1. I'm not a woman so I'm not a "Latina".
2. I'm an immigrant here legally who doesn't want to be placed in the back of the line behind those who entered illegally.
3. I was wondering how long it would take for one of you geniuses to call me something to the effect of an Uncle Tom. That just shows how little you know about this issue and how little you understand immigration to the US in general. What an absolutely asinine and ignorant statement on your part. You should be ashamed of it :shk:
Yeah I caught that afterwards meant to type Latino. I would say you are an Uncle Tom. You are trying to defend the right for people to discriminate against Latinos(Mexicans).
Sure other people come from other countries through Mexico but ask around...it is the Mexicans they talk about when it comes to illegals...so you can try to to say your against all illegals but the fact of the matter this is strictly about Mexicans...that is all these people against illegal bring up...MEXICANS.
Like Is said before...you can try but you will not be able to wash the brown out.
Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by projectvxn
Way to miss my point.
Of course you need an a passport to travel, and an ID to apply for a job and to buy beer and cigarettes.
But do you need an ID to walk down the street? Should US Citizens be required to carry an ID EVERYWHERE they go in order to provide proof of identity? That's my issue with all this.
I hope you enjoy your police state, you will definitely be protected against those illegal aliens and al-qaeda
You can also kiss good bye to your personal freedom as well
Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by Rockpuck
You can call them illegal aliens and I'll call them undocumented workers deal?
Humans often categorize themselves in terms of race or ethnicity, sometimes on the basis of differences in appearance. Human racial categories have been based on both ancestry and visible traits, especially facial features, skull shape, skin color and hair texture. Most current genetic and archaeological evidence supports a recent single origin of modern humans in East Africa with first migrations placed at 60,000 years ago. Current genetic studies have demonstrated that humans on the African continent are most genetically diverse. However, compared to the other great apes, human gene sequences are remarkably homogeneous. The predominance of genetic variation occurs within racial groups, with only 5 to 15% of total variation occurring between groups.
Thus the scientific concept of variation in the human genome is largely incongruent with the cultural concept of ethnicity or race. Ethnic groups are defined by linguistic, cultural, ancestral, national or regional ties. Self-identification with an ethnic group is usually based on kinship and descent. Race and ethnicity are among major factors in social identity giving rise to various forms of identity politics, e.g., racism. There is no scientific consensus of a list of the human races, and few anthropologists endorse the notion of human "race". For example, a color terminology for race includes the following in a classification of human races: Black (e.g. Sub-Saharan Africa), Red (e.g. Native Americans), Yellow (e.g. East Asians), White (e.g. Europeans) and Brown (e.g. South Asians).
Referring to natural species, in general, the term "race" is obsolete, particularly if a species is uniformly distributed on a territory. In its modern scientific connotation, the term is not applicable to a species as genetically homogeneous as the human one, as stated in the declaration on race (UNESCO 1950). Genetic studies have substantiated the absence of clear biological borders, thus the term "race" is rarely used in scientific terminology, both in biological anthropology and in human genetics. What in the past had been defined as "races"—e.g., whites, blacks, or Asians—are now defined as "ethnic groups" or "populations", in correlation with the field (sociology, anthropology, genetics) in which they are considered